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poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

9 May 2007 2:49pm

Who gives a flock

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

9 May 2007 4:52pm

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

quote:
Funny thread, sure proves slave is a w***er.

errr.. not cool dude. No matter how childish/lame/or wrong the conversation, name calling is like big brother, just plain stupid.

Your opinion that I am stupid, is no less valid than my light hearted expression about slaves hand habits. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with you.

The whole point of this discussion was to enlighten people about the simple characteristic of auto zenith in PL arc style kites, the discussion has been lead astray, with name calling, bagging and slagging, by people with strange ideas and agendas and who have no experience about what they are bagging and slagging or making outrageous untrue claims about.

Its sort of typical of what happens on here when anything new is offered and anything different is discussed, and calling someone a w****er in Oz is almost a term of endearment, as well as a P1ss taker.

Lighten up, or do the opposite as chopper would advise.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

9 May 2007 3:05pm

quote:
Your opinion that I am stupid

err... i never said you were stupid. i said name calling is stupid, and, well it is.

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

9 May 2007 5:25pm

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat
errr.. not cool dude. No matter how childish/lame/or wrong the conversation, name calling is like big brother, just plain stupid.

Then you said

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat
err... i never said you were stupid. i said name calling is stupid, and, well it is.

Ohhhhhh there is a difference?

Well maybe I am stupid after all?

Lets stay on topic, lets ask slave to provide the name of the auto zenithing inflato?

There is a grand in it for him, we all know he is a winner.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

9 May 2007 3:34pm

i think all of us have been had by the slave. he is clearly using this thread (like me) to boost his stars.

most of the guys here regulary connect themselves via some very thin lines to large wing like structures and do their best to loop/boost and speed in dangerous situations. Now that i think about it "stupid" is possibly the best description for us all.

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

9 May 2007 6:15pm

I did not know you could get away with typing s.h.i.t., what a f.u.c.k.i.n.g. good idea?

Threads good for something after all!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

9 May 2007 5:58pm

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

I did not know you could get away with typing s.h.i.t., what a f.u.c.k.i.n.g. good idea?

Threads good for something after all!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Kids read this too stevie

kiteastrophy

29 posts

kiteastrophy

WA, 29 posts

9 May 2007 6:43pm

quote:
Kids read this too stevie

lets do it for the kids!

Just $5 a week can feed and educate a poor hungry kiddie. Join unicef or one of the many other charity orgs out there, so the next generation can grow up healthy enough to kite and waste their time on pointless forum topics like this.

we all know starving kiddies can't auto zenith so they need all the help they can get.

cwamit

1194 posts

cwamit

WA, 1194 posts

9 May 2007 7:20pm

quote:
Originally posted by kiteastrophy

quote:
Kids read this too stevie

lets do it for the kids!

Just $5 a week can feed and educate a poor hungry kiddie. Join unicef or one of the many other charity orgs out there, so the next generation can grow up healthy enough to kite and waste their time on pointless forum topics like this.

we all know starving kiddies can't auto zenith so they need all the help they can get.

best post of the whole bloody thread..

www.worldvision.com.au/

no thanks needed

silviu

VIC

663 posts

silviu

VIC, 663 posts

9 May 2007 11:07pm

Gee guys, that's a long thread.
It looks like Peter Lynn kites really create a big stir

.
No doubt, you love them or hate them, nothing in the middle

I still miss my ARC's

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

9 May 2007 11:07pm

quote:
I still miss my ARC's

go buy one then

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

9 May 2007 11:19pm

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Lets stay on topic, lets ask slave to provide the name of the auto zenithing inflato?

Sorry Steve,
I can't name names.
The mystery auto-zenithing inflato is my little secret.
lol.

What's the point in revealing its identity ?
I claim, you reject.
I say, you slag.
It's a sucker bet anyway, you can't win.
Save your $1000 or maybe donate it to your favorite charity.

The kite is old now.
You wouldn't have one.
You would never have flown one ever.
And I don't own it anymore.
The bet can't be resolved.
But I stand by my claim.

The inflato kite climbed with no input from me.
If that's not auto-zenith, then what is it ?
Auto-climb maybe ?
haha
The bladders contained fresh air from my pump.
No helium was used to inflate the kite.
It climbed to the zenith evenly on both tacks.
It climbed at a constant speed and at a constant pull.
And I had to constantly dive it.
My front hand on the bar was switched to auto-dive.

Steve, if it isn't auto-zenith, why would the kite do that ?

mrbonk

NSW

483 posts

mrbonk

NSW, 483 posts

10 May 2007 7:38am

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

The mystery auto-zenithing inflato is my little secret.

The inflato kite climbed with no input from me.

It climbed to the zenith evenly on both tacks.
It climbed at a constant speed and at a constant pull.
And I had to constantly dive it.
My front hand on the bar was switched to auto-dive.

Ok, fine. But how about having a go at explaining the mechanics of how this was achieved instead? After all, this thread was originally started because I wondered how auto-zenith was achieved with the PL kites.

And please....if you don't know, don't bother. There's no need to perpetuate the tedious PL slag-fest ok? We all know you hate foils, so it's all getting rather monotonous

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

10 May 2007 9:24am

You can't name it because it does not exist and you know we will bust you if you do name any kite.

As if there ever was an inflato that did it and it was the only one that ever existed and only you ever got to fly it before it went pfffffttt and disappeared into the ether of your dreamworld, nice fairy tale!!

No mate, the nile is in Egypt you are the one who slags, constantly, product you know nothing about, don't live in denial.

Contibute positively or just do something else perhaps?

Cya and

Goodwinds

steve

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Lets stay on topic, lets ask slave to provide the name of the auto zenithing inflato?

Sorry Steve,
I can't name names.
The mystery auto-zenithing inflato is my little secret.
lol.

What's the point in revealing its identity ?
I claim, you reject.
I say, you slag.
It's a sucker bet anyway, you can't win.
Save your $1000 or maybe donate it to your favorite charity.

The kite is old now.
You wouldn't have one.
You would never have flown one ever.
And I don't own it anymore.
The bet can't be resolved.
But I stand by my claim.

The inflato kite climbed with no input from me.
If that's not auto-zenith, then what is it ?
Auto-climb maybe ?
haha
The bladders contained fresh air from my pump.
No helium was used to inflate the kite.
It climbed to the zenith evenly on both tacks.
It climbed at a constant speed and at a constant pull.
And I had to constantly dive it.
My front hand on the bar was switched to auto-dive.

Steve, if it isn't auto-zenith, why would the kite do that ?

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

10 May 2007 9:43am

Isn't it interesting that the few people who call the kites and their users all sorts of names (the haters )haven't used them

There are all sorts of explanations here and elsewhere that make sense but I'll ask peter for the definitive answer (maybe he doesn't know ,i m not sure ,he has said that kite design is a dark art)

quote:
Originally posted by silviu

Gee guys, that's a long thread.
It looks like Peter Lynn kites really create a big stir.
No doubt, you love them or hate them, nothing in the middle
I still miss my ARC's

colinwill78

VIC

1395 posts

colinwill78

VIC, 1395 posts

10 May 2007 2:37pm

Here is the Name and model of the auto zennith inflato

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28214

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

10 May 2007 2:44pm

Its simple, I crash a lot, need a kite that can relaunch. That rules out arcs.

(Yes I have flown them and don't give me this crap that they relaunch good because they dont, I'm sure it has improved but they still no where near the C kites relaunch reliability....)

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

10 May 2007 1:47pm

You see 'slave might be wrong but as far as kitepower is concerned Kitepower is right.

Rather than just shrugging shoulders and allowing this thread to die a natural death, Steve Kitepower cant do it.....

Why? Because Kitepower has to have the last word.

This is because Kitepower believes he is always right, and wants everyone who reads this thread to know it......

'slave i don't think gives a damn, he is equipped with this knowledge and continues to raise the kitepower wrath......

Well Steve i pat you on the back for your perseverance but does anyone out there really care that much?

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

10 May 2007 4:23pm

Another LEI just came through the door needing a fix from being crashed in the surf .If you OK with that fine and I'm OK with peoples decisions whatever they are (personally I didn't like it when I ride LEI's and my kite is trashed and evn tho I repair them I don't like the fact they are worth a lot less after a repair .I crashed a borrowed venom today (burnt mine last week) and I relaunched which it is true does not always happen (which in my experience and what I observe is true of all kites ,particularly in the surf)BTW where is the c..p where it is claimed they always relaunch

One thing with venoms is that they rarely crash so you don't get much practice ,some people are OK with this some aren't .I appreciated the tip from a passing rider the other day because I had forgotten.There is a technique for sure and it is different .Some people are not OK with things that are different and that is OK.

quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Its simple, I crash a lot, need a kite that can relaunch. That rules out arcs.

(Yes I have flown them and don't give me this crap that they relaunch good because they dont, I'm sure it has improved but they still no where near the C kites relaunch reliability....)

xtortya

322 posts

xtortya

WA, 322 posts

10 May 2007 3:51pm

let it go and have a beer or 2 guys. You all deserve it, i know i do for my input. Even if this is my only post. you all rock my socks.

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

10 May 2007 7:12pm

Mr.Float I'm sure PL are good kites for your averae weekend riders. But I ride suicide leash and crash my kites >10 times a session at LEAST. I ride flat water so I don't generally need to worry aout surf. So for me PL are not even an option. As for me claiming that people reckon PL's relaunch all the time theres allways one defensive guy amongst the doona community which will suggest it is as good as inflatos where it is clearly ot the case.

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

10 May 2007 8:06pm

good for you, and that is OK

quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Mr.Float I'm sure PL are good kites for your averae weekend riders. But I ride suicide leash and crash my kites >10 times a session at LEAST. I ride flat water so I don't generally need to worry aout surf. So for me PL are not even an option. As for me claiming that people reckon PL's relaunch all the time theres allways one defensive guy amongst the doona community which will suggest it is as good as inflatos where it is clearly ot the case.

and that is your opinion and that is OK too

RayQ

638 posts

RayQ

WA, 638 posts

10 May 2007 7:15pm

Its like casting a line with an easy bait and you always catch the same ol blowfish.
And this is just the beginning of winter....

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

10 May 2007 10:15pm

And as far as poor relly is concerned threads like this are a great opportunity to slag, write negative, turse comments, and generally be a beatch. Even reprimand me for writing f.u.c.k. but not the guy who wrote s.h.i.t, I mean he taugh me to do it, just like the kids who swear their heads off in every schoolyard, they learned it from their parents or other kids, get real mate!

Hey, they are just leters and words whatever thy are?

Why should I let people who have never flown this kite slag it off?

Its typical of what happens on here with any new product, the shop pimps go to work and slag away.

Over it - and not lying down relly, the kite is excellent, it does relaunch if you have a brain and bother to learn how to do it.
The auto zenith is not strong and is not an issue.

I'm not always right just ask anyone in my family or who works for me!

You and several others care a great deal otherwise you would ignore this thread and me!!!!

Cya and

Goodwrath

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

You see 'slave might be wrong but as far as kitepower is concerned Kitepower is right.

Rather than just shrugging shoulders and allowing this thread to die a natural death, Steve Kitepower cant do it.....

Why? Because Kitepower has to have the last word.

This is because Kitepower believes he is always right, and wants everyone who reads this thread to know it......

'slave i don't think gives a damn, he is equipped with this knowledge and continues to raise the kitepower wrath......

Well Steve i pat you on the back for your perseverance but does anyone out there really care that much?

Strongbow

273 posts

Strongbow

WA, 273 posts

10 May 2007 8:39pm

Yeh.
Just let it go guys.
It's starting to be not very entertaining.
Or else we could call the never ending debate / arguement, which is how it's panning out at the moment.

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

10 May 2007 8:51pm

hey,hey,hey !

Keep it going! I'm really enjoying it !

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

10 May 2007 8:55pm

Dear kitepower,

ooooooooooooooooooooo
sugar pie, honey bunch
you know that i love you
i cant help myself
i love you and no body else

In and out my life(in and out my life)
You come and you go(you come and you go)
Leaving just your picture behind....(ooh)
And I've kissed it a thousand times(ooh)
When you snap your finger, or wink you eye,
I come a-running to you
I'm tied to your apron strings,
And there's nothing that I can do

I can't help myself,
No, I can't help myself,

'Cause, Sugar Pie Honey Bunch
I'm weaker than a man should be
I can't help myself
I'm a fool in love 'ya see

Wanna tell you I don't love you,
Tell you that we're through
And I try....
But ev'ry time I see your face,
I get all choked up inside
When I call your name,
Stevie, it starts to flame
Burning in my heart,
Tearing it all apart..
No matter how I try
My love I cannot hide....

'Cause Sugar Pie Honey Bunch
You know that I'm waiting for you(waiting for you)
I can't help myself
I love you and nobody else

Sugar Pie Honey Bunch
I'd do anything you ask me to(ask me to)
I can't help myself
I want you and nobody else

Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch
You know that I love you(I dooo)
I can't help myself...
No... I can't help myself

Regards
Poor Rellie
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

10 May 2007 8:56pm

quote:
Originally posted by mrbonk

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

The mystery auto-zenithing inflato is my little secret.

The inflato kite climbed with no input from me.

It climbed to the zenith evenly on both tacks.
It climbed at a constant speed and at a constant pull.
And I had to constantly dive it.
My front hand on the bar was switched to auto-dive.

Ok, fine. But how about having a go at explaining the mechanics of how this was achieved instead? After all, this thread was originally started because I wondered how auto-zenith was achieved with the PL kites.

OK.
You know,
I'm sure it's got something to do with the AoA.
That's angle-of-attack.
Yeah, the angle of the dangle.
String-geometry, it's a weird science.

And also there could be some induced drag built in somewhere low on the kite.
Maybe in the wingtips by cranking out the luff curve at the extremities.

I'm just guessing.
I've never built a kite.

ThreadJacker

61 posts

ThreadJacker

WA, 61 posts

10 May 2007 9:53pm

Back to the topic, could the reason that PL kite Auto Zen be because, OK a little hard to explain. We all agree(maybe not Steve or Slave)that the a wing shape(similiar to a plane wing) produce lift, so when the foil wing shape of a PL kite drops below 10 or 2 o'clock, there is still a considable amount of wing(due to aspect ratio close to wing tips..no taper)that is flying flat(parallel to water)hence producing lift, yes from both wing tips top and bottom closest to water, and near no negative lift produced from the normal projected area of kite, so the kite still has some vertical lift and it corrects itself i.e Auto Zenith, the reason C's or bows don't is because the wings tips taper greatly towards the ends, hence produce bugger all lift and in fact the lower tip would produce downward lift(due to wing cross section design not being symetrical and the turbulence created on the inside behind LE), dragging it closer towards the water, the reason Fly surfers dont, is because they are so flat, that when it drops to either side of window, no flying surface is still parallel to the water, hence not producing vertical lift, more sideways lift and what lift is created rolls off the top wing tip(yes lift does roll off, when wanting to loss lift in a plane, you roll the plane from side to side(depending on wing profile, as some gliders have wings that have offset wings, so they can still produce lift through a turn/bank)).
Just picture all styles of kite sitting at 9 o'clock, look at the wing tips both top and bottom, which has more surface flying area parallel to the water creating vertical lift, and the closest to a symetrical wing shape. I'm sure there is more to it, fairly logical... maybe not my explaination though

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

10 May 2007 11:10pm

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

No mate, the nile is in Egypt you are the one who slags, constantly, product you know nothing about, don't live in denial.

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Lets stay on topic, lets ask slave to provide the name of the auto zenithing inflato?

Sorry Steve,
I can't name names.
The mystery auto-zenithing inflato is my little secret.
lol.

What's the point in revealing its identity ?
I claim, you reject.
I say, you slag.
It's a sucker bet anyway, you can't win.
Save your $1000 or maybe donate it to your favorite charity.

The kite is old now.
You wouldn't have one.
You would never have flown one ever.
And I don't own it anymore.
The bet can't be resolved.
But I stand by my claim.

The inflato kite climbed with no input from me.
If that's not auto-zenith, then what is it ?
Auto-climb maybe ?
haha
The bladders contained fresh air from my pump.
No helium was used to inflate the kite.
It climbed to the zenith evenly on both tacks.
It climbed at a constant speed and at a constant pull.
And I had to constantly dive it.
My front hand on the bar was switched to auto-dive.

Steve, if it isn't auto-zenith, why would the kite do that ?

lol.
Steve,
You speak of denial.
I'll show ya a Mr Denial.

How about that doona-designer who fully denied the bleeding obvious.
That kitesurfing kites are used on the ocean.
And that IDEALLY,(derrr) kitesurfing kites should actually float when they crash into the cruel sea;
instead of sinking like a scuttled airship,
the Captain going-down too,
grinning like a loon.
hahahaha

When the only thing that remains floating on the surface of the water,
are the bubbles given off from the submerged aircells of the twinskin canopy.......
that's when auto-zen,
the party-trick of the PL,
becomes just a wishful thought.

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