PL kites auto-zenith?

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Juddy
Juddy
WA
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4 May 2007 10:42am
Slave,

a simple & direct question for you...have you ever flown a foil? If so, what one(s)?
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
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VIC, 772 posts
4 May 2007 12:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

Slave,

a simple & direct question for you...



He won't understand that, we have a special case on our hands here..
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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4 May 2007 1:05pm
quote:
He hasn't flown a peterlynn.


He aint all bad then
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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4 May 2007 1:19pm
YOO HOO....Slave, oh Slave, come out come out were ever you are...????

Come on Slave, go on...answer my question...have you ever flown a foil, and if so, which one(s)...come on mate. Step up. Put some credability into your commentary...Go on. You know you want to...
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
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4 May 2007 3:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

YOO HOO....Slave, oh Slave, come out come out were ever you are...????

Come on Slave, go on...answer my question...have you ever flown a foil, and if so, which one(s)...come on mate. Step up. Put some credability into your commentary...Go on. You know you want to...



I have a queensize air mattress that I take on cmping trips does that count?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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4 May 2007 2:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

i await the backlash, but i AGREE with the slave on this one.

Keeping the kite above you and "hanging" about is dangerous regardless of the kite you are using. Can see where the auto-zenith is useful, but still wouldn't recommend peoples use it as a parking spot while faffing about with footstraps etc.



Right-on meerkat.

I believe the bad zenith habits were passed down to the sleeping-baggers from the kite-buggy crew.
You see,
After a tough sess,
the buggy-brigade would sit in their stationary buggys,
all covered in sh!t and mud (lol),
doona flying at 12 o'clock high,
and they would drink brews and talk about kite-buggys and auto-zenithing for hours.

All lined-up like a row of windwarriors-on-wheels,
and all flying their colours at full-staff.

That's when public beaches became zoos.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
4 May 2007 3:02pm
YOO HOO....Slave, oh Slave, come out come out were ever you are...????

Come on Slave, go on...answer my question...have you ever flown a foil, and if so, which one(s)...come on mate. Step up. Put some credability into your commentary...Go on. You know you want to...
dan OK?
dan OK?
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
4 May 2007 5:08pm
Im so glad Im not cool.
Seems like an impediment to having fun!
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
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382 posts
4 May 2007 4:46pm
wavey must have 2 dicks! you can't get that stupid pulling one.

Bite me!
Spacemonkey!
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SA
2288 posts
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4 May 2007 6:36pm
quote:
Originally posted by Tonewolf

wavey must have 2 dicks! you can't get that stupid pulling one.

Bite me!



You give him way too much credit having 2 dicks.
http://www.break.com/pictures/apr28gal39.html
as the man himself says
lol.
windpig
windpig
QLD
113 posts
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4 May 2007 9:21pm
I love my doona.When I nod off, as I often do these days on the beach,
on the water, it's nice to know when I wake up my big puffy friend will
be waiting overhead.
kite boy
kite boy
WA
354 posts
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4 May 2007 8:04pm
slavey is a dick but so are people who buy peter lynns yes he thins he owns avalon but the peter lynn kiters think there kite are th way forward yes i have never seen slavey do a tearing bottom turn out running his kite on a monsterous wave but arron jarman won the wave nats i dont know who is the winner of this arguement i just don't know
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
4 May 2007 8:18pm
I saw kite boy out on the latest mattress Wednesday, going off doing kite loops. He's just stirring ****. He loves them really
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
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4 May 2007 8:38pm
quote:
You give him way too much credit having 2 dicks.
http://www.break.com/pictures/apr28gal39.html
as the man himself says



i bet that bloke doesn't have a problem meeting any chicks wonder if he could loan me 10 or 15 so i could also be a chick-magnet AND if i had a PL we could get busy in my doona. yeah!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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4 May 2007 9:03pm
That aint 'slave its Mr Bonk
kite boy
kite boy
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
4 May 2007 9:26pm
i dont even reckon a peter lynn would do powered kl's and i was on a LF mig not a dooner
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
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4 May 2007 11:31pm
The reason that the PL kites "auto zenith" is so they don't get bogged down with water when you stack it and can't get the kite up fast enough. I've seen a couple of guy’s grab a tow in because the kite got bogged down and couldn't get it back off the water.

Hanging out on the beach with the kite above you is pretty dumb (yeah yeah yeah kinda like me) anyone who took a lesson will know that. Keep it low and go.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
4 May 2007 11:33pm
o dere,were did u cum from?

quote:
Originally posted by kite boy

i dont even reckon a peter lynn would do powered kl's and i was on a LF mig not a dooner

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
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4 May 2007 11:41pm
and you forgot to mention that gay doona lovers are the only people who ever have a gear problem and needed a tow and that the latest c shaped kiteastrophe will get you laid ,make you a really cool lemming ,never give any grief and that all SLE riders are attracted to people of the same sex or should be at home knitting their undies along with their homo mattress loving tragics .

There's gotta be some wind somewhere surely!!


quote:
Originally posted by cRAZY Canuk

The reason that the PL kites "auto zenith" is so they don't get bogged down with water when you stack it and can't get the kite up fast enough. I've seen a couple of guy’s grab a tow in because the kite got bogged down and couldn't get it back off the water.

Hanging out on the beach with the kite above you is pretty dumb (yeah yeah yeah kinda like me) anyone who took a lesson will know that. Keep it low and go.


kite boy
kite boy
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
4 May 2007 9:47pm
i take it you fly the doonas then
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
4 May 2007 11:53pm
I'd have to say every guy with an SLE or C that I've seen rescued gets brought in on a boat.



There's gotta be some wind somewhere surely!!



No. No wind, No surf, make spalding a unhappy man.

So un-happy I went out a bought a mal (9'1" and puke green just need to learn to ride the nose) and I just ordered the foam and carbon fibre for my new kite board today. Home built I'll get the picks going soon (not looking forward to the shaping).

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
4 May 2007 11:12pm
quote:
By the way.....if you wish to give the impression that you're knowledgeable and possessed of a rapier wit, try coming up with something factual instead of the childish homophobic taunts. They're nothing more than the tool of a weak/lazy mind.


ooooooooooooooooooooo
sugar pie, honey bunch
you know that i love you
i cant help myself
i love you and no body else
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
5 May 2007 7:34am
quote:
Originally posted by kite boy

i dont even reckon a peter lynn would do powered kl's and i was on a LF mig not a dooner



I'm not really interested in the rest of this crap (double dicks and what not) but I do know arcs can do powered kiteloops - there's a video somewhere...I am looking for it
mrbonk
mrbonk
NSW
483 posts
NSW, 483 posts
5 May 2007 10:37am
quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

quote:
By the way.....if you wish to give the impression that you're knowledgeable and possessed of a rapier wit, try coming up with something factual instead of the childish homophobic taunts. They're nothing more than the tool of a weak/lazy mind.


ooooooooooooooooooooo
sugar pie, honey bunch
you know that i love you
i cant help myself
i love you and no body else



Uh.....thanks Rellie.....(I think??)
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
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5 May 2007 3:19pm
Found one stinky
kiteforum.com/viewforum.php?f=200/component/option,com_videos/task,show/id,268/Ite

quote:
Originally posted by stnkygoat

quote:
Originally posted by kite boy

i dont even reckon a peter lynn would do powered kl's and i was on a LF mig not a dooner



I'm not really interested in the rest of this crap (double dicks and what not) but I do know arcs can do powered kiteloops - there's a video somewhere...I am looking for it

sum1else
sum1else
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
8 May 2007 8:58pm
Lets try this one!
Try to imagine this if you can:
A perfect 30 Knots cross onshore from the West at Avalon (thats in WA guys, and west is GOOOOOD) and there's an Atom SLE 9m and a PL Venom 10m having fun in a reasonable metre and a half to two metre swell. They are sharing it with a couple of pole vaulters who appear to be making the best of it too. But wait...theres someone in the carpark...someone not happy coz he cant get out...its too strong....the 7m waroo is too large, unpredictable, wont auto zenith or something..but hang on...its ..no it cant be.. it is.. no surely not... yes it is its 'SLAVE. Bugger me if he he isnt overheard to ask the venom flier at the end of the sesh "wot size doona ya got?" he's told its 10m and then comes out with "and wot size do you fly when its light?"
Waveslave to Carpark Attendant in 2 minutes!!!!
But seriously, lets answer the original question:
The PL kites arent strange in the fact that they auto zenith. Take any glider or airoplane model ( the flying ones..not airfix models you fool!) and tie a line to their Centre of Gravity and then run and itl fly (and auto zenith). As the plane rolls to ,say, the left then the right wing loses lift due to the dihedral effect (the upward tip of the wings, this means as the plane tips left, the right wing becomes effectively shorter than the left wing causing the left wing to generate more lift - self stabilising.) The PL kites have a dihedral effect in the way the kite deforms as it moves from left to right, losing lift from the side thats rising by deforming the trailing edge.
The real question is why dont the inflatos do it? and also why dont flysurfers cos they are foils eh???
The reason for inflatos lies in their use of a single skin attached to the top of the inflated price I mean the inflated tube. This generates a large amount of turbulance behind the tube and beneath the skin at is leading edge. This turbulance causes lift and therefore the kites work well as traction kites, however they are unstable as the turbulance causes the kite to 'fall' off the zenith, and as it falls the turbulance increases in the section of the kite most horizontal, the kite cant deform (due to the rigidity of the inflato) to allow the excess lift to be lost, so this causes even more lift and therefor falls faster, its a runaway effect.
Flysurfers are German! Plus all the lines prevent the kite from deforming, its like trying to get an F14 to glide.
As long as the flier keeps controlling the kite then no problem.
Now then.. auto zenithing inflatos..mm
Ah ha, so now we know the truth, the auto zenithing kite flown by the Carpark Attendant must have been an unbridled foil (so wot was he doing with the pump while he thought it was an inflato )
NSW, 4382 posts
9 May 2007 9:07am
Funny thread, sure proves slave is a w***er.
Been away for 5 days and he is still taking the bait, and refuses to name what cannot be named.

There is still a grand up for grabs if he can name an old inflatable kite that can do it, but he knows I probably have one of the kites he thinks can do it in my shed.

I flew the very first Wipi inflato that landed in Oz in 1998 (what a sack of spuds) and Mr Float and I showed the boys at Windgenuity how to fly the first Naish kites, and neither of those kites could do it.
And for the first few years of kiting in Oz they were the only inflatos.

So I reckon my grands safe and mr slave is an old hippy having halucinations.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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9 May 2007 12:37pm
I want a Waveslave tee shirt and an autograph.

sum1else> How can you be sure that you actually saw Waveslave? Me thinks this Waveslave does not exist. Next time you do see him/her/it please ask about the Tee Shirts; and I would love an autograph.

Calling people names is not nice.....I couldn't give a rats about kites, what I want is WIND!

meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
9 May 2007 12:44pm
quote:
Funny thread, sure proves slave is a w***er.


errr.. not cool dude. No matter how childish/lame/or wrong the conversation, name calling is like big brother, just plain stupid.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
9 May 2007 2:46pm
and despite the substantial $$ involved in Slave's answers, he still won't tell any of us if he's actually ever flown a foil, whether it's a PL or any other...come on Slave, you know you want to have SOME credibility on this forum. Go one sunshine...tell us if you've ever flown a foil...
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