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meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

1 May 2007 10:54am

cheers Float. once again techinque proves it doesn't matter what the kite is, its how you use the thing.

robbo

306 posts

robbo

WA, 306 posts

1 May 2007 1:10pm

isn't "technique" how you use the thing?

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

1 May 2007 7:06pm

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Yep, I'll take your money $1000 says you are wrong

$1000
Is that the best you can do ?
lol.

Let's get this straight first.
Are you suggesting that 'auto-zenith'.......
Can't be done with inflatos ?
That it's no-can-do and IMPOSSIBLE ??
(in any shape or form).

Is that what you're saying ?
Is that the bet ?

lotofwind

NSW

6451 posts

lotofwind

NSW, 6451 posts

1 May 2007 9:12pm

can we all put bets on or what?

manicskier

VIC

772 posts

manicskier

VIC, 772 posts

1 May 2007 9:16pm

We need a book maker....

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

1 May 2007 7:27pm

when you write lol, i bet your not laughing out loud are you.....or are you?

manicskier

VIC

772 posts

manicskier

VIC, 772 posts

1 May 2007 9:35pm

maybe you might just have a really really big lipsticky smile..... wait for it... lol

stnkygoat

NSW

230 posts

stnkygoat

NSW, 230 posts

2 May 2007 3:54am

You people are cracking me up. Please don't stop.

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

2 May 2007 10:51am

Interesting and this in an area where venoms are sometimes the most common kite .It amazes me how peoples minds work.(This too where on a busy day there might be 30 kites out with half or more venoms maybe one guy has trouble with relaunch and gets helped in yet at least 5 LEI's don't relaunch get smashed by the waves and yet another repair comes into the shop ,and most LEI repairs don't even come to me)
I spose its like some people have a prejudice against something that they do not understand or even try to understand ,like racism or holden/ford obsession disorder.Are they thinking "gee there must be alot of people around here paid to fly that kite because I can't think of any other reason why they are using it ."

On a similar note and along the lines of another thread by JB I feel that if you are a PLK rider (particularly a nooby) it is important that the local school and shop support the concept and you or that you are of intermediate level(or more) with reasonable intelligence to work out the nuances of the kite .i have been riding them for years and got myself into some bother the other day and a helpful tip from a passing rider got me out of the situation.
I heard about a weekend warrior who had been battling with LEI's for a couple of years and flewhis mates venom,liked it ,got one ,didn't do a relaunch or self rescue drill or even try to understand ,had trouble getting baack and then became worried about using it because of this .I gave him a call ,caught up and ran him through the drill (and also how to launch properly) and now he is cool with it.

quote:
Originally posted by batton_holder

I think wave is not the only one who bags kites he hasn't flown. I hear critics of venoms at most places that I kite. They all seem to harp on about relaunch and auto Z.Wave has just helped us to see that.
(maybe he's an undercover arc flyer just trying to point out the obvious, that everyone's an expert)
def. expert- a person who knows more and more about less and less untill he knows everything about f*** all!
ps- I'm not having a go at the vasst majority of kiters who are more than fair minded.

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

2 May 2007 11:08am

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Yep, I'll take your money $1000 says you are wrong

$1000
Is that the best you can do ?
lol.

Let's get this straight first.
Are you suggesting that 'auto-zenith'.......
Can't be done with inflatos ?
That it's no-can-do and IMPOSSIBLE ??
(in any shape or form).

Is that what you're saying ?
Is that the bet ?

Ok lets make it a million then.
Yes I am saying that there never was and there is currently no inflatable kite that will auto zenith like a Peter Lynn Arc, or even a Venom 1 or 2, got it?

But apparently you have one that will, so name it?

I need to offload a mill, so come on fess up great wise distortionist.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

RAL INN

2897 posts

RAL INN

SA, 2897 posts

2 May 2007 10:49am

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Yep, I'll take your money $1000 says you are wrong

$1000
Is that the best you can do ?
lol.

Let's get this straight first.
Are you suggesting that 'auto-zenith'.......
Can't be done with inflatos ?
That it's no-can-do and IMPOSSIBLE ??
(in any shape or form).

Is that what you're saying ?
Is that the bet ?

Waveslave is backing that the bet is " It can be done" not IS being done.

Steve is backing up to "is being done"

Sounds like one is betting on the Melbourne cup, the other on the Golden Slipper.

Horse races are rigged.

That being said, I'll hold the bets (in Cash) while it's all sorted out.

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

2 May 2007 10:01am

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Yep, I'll take your money $1000 says you are wrong

$1000
Is that the best you can do ?
lol.

Let's get this straight first.
Are you suggesting that 'auto-zenith'.......
Can't be done with inflatos ?
That it's no-can-do and IMPOSSIBLE ??
(in any shape or form).

Is that what you're saying ?
Is that the bet ?

Ok lets make it a million then.
Yes I am saying that there never was and there is currently no inflatable kite that will auto zenith like a Peter Lynn Arc, or even a Venom 1 or 2, got it?

But apparently you have one that will, so name it?

I need to offload a mill, so come on fess up great wise distortionist.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

$1,000,000.00
Now you're a player.
lol.

Hey,
They landed a man on the moon.
So building an inflato to have auto-zenith wasn't exactly rocket science, you know.
But there were a couple of provisos.
The approach needed to be a bit different from the Ark.
That's because an inflato isn't a doona.
It's a sled.
And it shoots thru the sky with less drag and less inertia than a flying mattress.

But back to the provisos.
For auto-zenith to happen in an inflato;
the kite needs to be of a small size and the wind conditions need to be strong.
Small kite, nuke wind.

My old inflato that auto-zenithed was a 5m............(insert brand and model name),
and naturally I used it in solid West Oz cold front wind.
Steve probably sold a few back in 2003,
but I doubt it if he ever used one himself.
That's why he is so sceptical.

But the question remains:
Why did someone bother building an inflato with auto-zenith ?

manicskier

VIC

772 posts

manicskier

VIC, 772 posts

2 May 2007 12:18pm

No, the quesiton remains, what is the name of this thing, and what other conditions are you going to attach to its ability to zenith?

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

2 May 2007 11:02am

i've seen a lot of kites auto-crash? is that the same thing?

manicskier

VIC

772 posts

manicskier

VIC, 772 posts

2 May 2007 4:20pm

i wonder if he is actually going to name this thing.

i also wonder if he has a million to waste

i also also wonder if he is just stirring all the mattress flyers (which i paln to become oneday when i can afford a speed 2, but its still funny calling them mattresses

)

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

2 May 2007 3:52pm

quote:
I need to offload a mill,

*coughs* *coughs* wow thats interesting i need about ooooo 999,999 *cough* *cough*

sandgroper

368 posts

sandgroper

WA, 368 posts

2 May 2007 11:11pm

Methinks people who bag foils have some growing up to do.

mrbonk

NSW

483 posts

mrbonk

NSW, 483 posts

3 May 2007 8:17pm

Ok.....time to clarify/clear this up.

Waveslave - You stated that you experienced auto-zenith on an old inflato. In fact, your exact words were:

quote:
So here's the rub.
That kite that I first experienced 'auto-zenith' with....
It wasn't a PL doona.
It was an inflato.
That's right.
Some of the old inflatos had the auto-zenith feature built-in to their design as well.

Steve called bullsh!t and asked you to name the kite, which you've so far failed to do. Instead, you've attempted to twist the request into some theoretical discussion about whether or not it *can* be done.

So, out with it......what was the LEI kite you experienced auto-zenith on?

You further stated:

quote:
It's not my place to slag-off kite brands and models on a public forum.

....and yet, that's all you've done with respect to PL kites!

Can you say hypocrisy?

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

3 May 2007 7:39pm

You Doona flyas can sure talk some shyte !!

Typical example is likening the debate to the "Holden versus Ford thing"

What a stupid analogy ! One of those cars is clearly superior,with a pedigree.

Holden (Equivalent kite? A LEI Bow )

Of course PL Doona fliers will have crappy Fords (For Old Retired Drivers)

They will also have Mac computers,or,be Linux fanatics.

Probably short asses too !

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

3 May 2007 7:41pm

quote:
Can you say hypocrisy?

He will have to put his teeth in for that one

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

3 May 2007 8:11pm

quote:
Originally posted by mrbonk

Ok.....time to clarify/clear this up.

lol.
Once upon a time,
Here, on this very Forum,
The word 'zenith' used to be a very dirty word.
A bad, bad word.
Have things changed ?
Is parking the kite at the zenith OK now ?

Is dicking around on the beach for hours with the doona at 12 o'clock cool now ?
Well it doesn't look cool to me.
It's unnecessary and it's kite-******y.

eightfootplus

NSW

298 posts

eightfootplus

NSW, 298 posts

3 May 2007 10:38pm

Your just jeolous "wave" . The thing is our PLs are up at 12 on the beach and what are you doing, pump pump, pump punp pump, pump pump....pump pump.

carbine

1446 posts

carbine

WA, 1446 posts

3 May 2007 10:32pm

if u fly a foil you like mens willies.

manicskier

VIC

772 posts

manicskier

VIC, 772 posts

4 May 2007 5:29am

waveslave, if i ever meet you, ill buy you a beer, cause your so good at being a tosser, then i'll kick ur arse at pool. K

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

4 May 2007 9:33am

Slave y ,didn't you see my email ?You win .There is no need for this type of email ,you seem to be getting a bit upset .Take a bex or have a cuppa and have a nice lie down.

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
Originally posted by mrbonk

Ok.....time to clarify/clear this up.

lol.
Once upon a time,
Here, on this very Forum,
The word 'zenith' used to be a very dirty word.
A bad, bad word.
Have things changed ?
Is parking the kite at the zenith OK now ?

Is dicking around on the beach for hours with the doona at 12 o'clock cool now ?
Well it doesn't look cool to me.
It's unnecessary and it's kite-******y.

mtcan

QLD

251 posts

mtcan

QLD, 251 posts

4 May 2007 9:35am

rrrrrrrrrrrr to kite to be cool, or not to kite this is the ?i will kite an be not cool with my tontine

mrbonk

NSW

483 posts

mrbonk

NSW, 483 posts

4 May 2007 11:23am

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

lol.
Once upon a time,
Here, on this very Forum,
The word 'zenith' used to be a very dirty word.
A bad, bad word.
Have things changed ?
Is parking the kite at the zenith OK now ?

Is dicking around on the beach for hours with the doona at 12 o'clock cool now ?
Well it doesn't look cool to me.
It's unnecessary and it's kite-******y.

Stop avoiding the question. Either name the LEI kite that auto-zeniths, or give up and stop posting in this thread (after all, you've contributed absolutely nothing of worth to it so far).

By the way.....if you wish to give the impression that you're knowledgeable and possessed of a rapier wit, try coming up with something factual instead of the childish homophobic taunts. They're nothing more than the tool of a weak/lazy mind.

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

4 May 2007 10:27am

quote:
[i]Originally posted by mrbonk

Stop avoiding the question.

What was the question again ?
lol.
Here's my question:

Do sleeping-baggers know that dicking around on the beach with a kite at the zenith is totally wrong ?
And totally uncool.
For many reasons.
The zenith.....a very dangerous place to park a kite on a public beach.
The red-zone.

Even Steve from Kitepower Australia would agree with me.
He always stated the following:
"Keep it low and go" !
Keep it low and go you so and so.
haha

Just because the stupid kite insists on flying to heaven all the time,
that doesn't make it OK to park it there,
while you make a call on the cellphone and smoke a cigarette.

Keep it low and GO !

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

4 May 2007 10:36am

i await the backlash, but i AGREE with the slave on this one.

Keeping the kite above you and "hanging" about is dangerous regardless of the kite you are using. Can see where the auto-zenith is useful, but still wouldn't recommend peoples use it as a parking spot while faffing about with footstraps etc.

Mr float

NSW

3452 posts

Mr float

NSW, 3452 posts

4 May 2007 12:39pm

slavey makes a good point regarding leaving the kite at the zenith and have a smoke .....Smoking kills, causes gangrene and so on.

Seriously tho I don't think anyone would suggest that the main advantage of auto zenith is to take a nap or have a smoke with any kite .It is however very handy early on in the water when you are trying to get everything organised and dealing with waves (most are sold in locations that are mainly ocean spots) a handy feature later on in your progression when you stuff up tricks or get swallowed by a wave.This is also another reason why SLE kites have been so popular because they are more stable and thus make kiting easier (a whole new can of worms ,lets not go there)I'd say thats what helped slavey past the nappy stage with his yet unamed LEI that he had early on in his illustrius career .

It also allows you to check out members of the same sex on the beach because you are not having to worry about your kite so much

On a side note for those who haven't tried a PLK I have been hit by gusts that were 10 kts above the ave with the 19 venom without too much drama (15-18 kt ave gusting to 25 and 28)Last year down at the snow a mate was riding in these type of winds with a 19 and was hit by a monster gust and he was fine (for those who know our mountain winds they can be really nasty)not my personal choice or recommendation tho.
I don't know about everyone else here but I mainly ride in seabreezes where 10 kt gusts are unlikely (thus making the time you have the kite high whilst getting the board organised relatively safe ,BTW I don;t see too many riders on any kite of any experience level keeping their kite low when doing this)and if I'm out in gusty land winds I always make sure there is plenty of room downwind which again is a good idea on any kite .

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