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Seeing what is/was happening overseas in countries that failed to control the virus, thousands dying horrible deaths alone in ICU. It's a fact people die from Covid, lots of them. Yes, some also die from the vaccine but in tiny proportion to the number dying from the virus.
Your right Kiteboy, no one knows how the future will play out regarding the vaccine in years to come. But I know the virus will spread through the community and I'd rather a known protection now from a vaccine than a possible horrible death. So far there are no issues that I'm worried about from vaccinated people overseas, obviously there are for you.
My body, my choice, I'm fully vaccinated. Honestly I hope you avoid the virus when it spreads, mask up, keep healthy and stay reasonably isolated.
Once again, this is not about the short term, if there was a 5 year history of these 'vaccinations', then it would be fair to base your decision on that.
But there isn't.
I agree with you, your body your choice. What you do is up to you.
All I am asking is what was the factor that made you disregard the possible long term effects of the 'vaccine', so that you felt comfortable getting it?
Noone has actually answered that yet and it is perplexing why.
My reason for exposing myself to the possible long term effects of the vaccine:-
1. Going on the miniscule rates of long term affects if other vaccines compared to the viruses the protect against. I am going with the track record of scientists who have developed vaccines that have saved countless lives and almost eradicated some diseases. ( I know you're going to point out that this is a new vaccine technology and somehow try to prove that this discredits all the vaccine and its development)
2. This virus is way worse than the flu, and the flu used to knock me around before I got vaccine each year. So I wanted at least the protection the flu shot gives me against a brand new respiratory disease
3. Every person who catches this disease is a potential site for it to mutate into another hard to deal strain. Why not try my best to remove my self from that pool of candidates?
4. Reduce the risk of passing to my family. I know it doesn't remove that risk entirely, but it certainly will help more than eating salad and showing my anus to the sun.
4. I saw how effective it was in Sweden and wanted that to happen in Australia. Just doing my part to help.
You definitely deserve credit for answering the question.
However...
1. You've already admitted that it's new tech and nothing like other vaccines. The mrna tech is a tailored therapy, not a one size fits all, which the inventor has explicitly stated.
2. short term protection at the risk of developing something worse down the track.
3. it's much more likely that the 'leaky' 'vaccines' are responsible for creating stronger mutations.
4. it's pretty much common knowledge that 'vaccinated' people pass on the virus as much as the unvaccinated, but of course taking the 'vaccinated' mutation creation, you could be doing more harm.
4. (Or was that 5.?) you should probably look at Sweden again, I don't think i t worked the way you think it did.
1. You don't understand the science therefore you fear it. That's OK
2. Key phrase being short term protection. I mean I want long term protection but I'll take the short term over none.
3. That's a pretty incredible claim, it's going to need some incredible evidence to back it up. mRNA is not DNA so that would be quite incredible for it to cause mutation in a virus.
4. I'd prefer common evidence over common knowledge about vaccine transmission. See my comment about incredible claims.
5. They're not even 50% fully vaccinated and they're back to getting on top of the virus
1. Funny. It's actually quite clear that you don't.
2. Short term, of course you do, your whole approach is very myopic which is why you can't bring yourself to look into any of these 5 riduiculous points that you're doubling down on.
3. There's been plenty of discussion on this point here and in the msm, you're either being wilfully ignorant or still myopic.
4. See point above.
5. Thanks for confirming my point on this. Less than 50% un'vaccinated' you say? And they're getting on top of it? Yet there you are having rushed out to be a guinea pig still.
If you want to keep doubling down on your ignorance inspired decision to be a guniea pig, go for it.
You're the one that has to deal with the fact that even though you were very highly likely to get over covid, un'vaccinated', with no issues like the majority of people who have (see your point on Sweden for one example) you instead willingly took an injection that could seriously mess you up a year, two years, three/five years down the track.
You opened yourself up to this even though the touted benefits of the 'vaccine' are being rolled back more and more as more data comes out.
Ok.
1- I don't need to understand the science, and quite frankly I haven't got the education to do so. However, like I said there is a pretty good track record for the people developing this stuff.
2. The virus is a pretty serious threat right now, and will continue to be one in the future. If Australia is hoping to open international borders at anytime in the future I will want as much protection as I can get. The current vaccines have a pretty good rate of keeping people out of hospital considering they were developed for the original strain and not the Delta which has become the dominant one. (Both Pfizer and AZ are showing to much more effective at preventing serious illness and hospitalisation from Delta than so-called immunity from catching the original strain)
3. I ask for evidence and you refer to discussion? Surely with over 4 billion vaccine doses administered, we'd be seeing more of these "stronger mutations" that you claim "'leaky' 'vaccines' are responsible for"?
4. Once again I ask for evidence and you come up with a glib reply. Studies of populations with high rates of vaccination have been providing loads of data showing that vaccinated people have a quarter to a third as much of the viral load that unvaccinated infected people have. And vaccinated people clear the virus from their system as much as a week faster than unvaccinated.
So, the possibility of spreading the disease is still there, but greatly reduced.
5. Sweden doesn't look great but even without the lockdowns their 7 day average still below 1000, it's likely that the vaccines are helping keep the numbers down . They started vaccinating early but have had an ever slower roll out than us, time will tell if less than 50% vaccinated helps much more than it already has.
In regards to your last paragraph.
Highly likely to get over covid unvaccinated: Well, yes. But waaaaaayyyyyy more likely to end up in Hospital (I have never before been sick enough to need hospitalisation, let alone end up in ICU). But like I said, it's not just for me. if approx 10/100 unvaccinated people end up in hospital but only 1/100 vaccinated end up in hospital, we will significantly reduce the burden on the hospital.
Currently we have 80/8000 in ICU. Yep 80 out of 8000 active cases are so sick with this disease in their system that they require care in ICU. One person per hundred active cases in ICU? We only have 2378 ICU Beds in the country, we only need 237,800 cases to completely fill them with Covid patients. There is surge capacity, but we're already running short on staff
You might laugh and say we will never get that many cases, but that's roughly how many lab tested positive Influenza cases we had in 2017 (only 745 people died). This virus seems to be much more likely to exceed that number if we just let it run wild, seeing how contagious it is compared to the flu (last year 50% more Covid cases than flu, and only 30 death from Flu)
willingly took an injection that could seriously mess you up: You make that statement as if that outcome is somehow more likely than having a serious case of Covid. There is no data to contradict your statement in regards to years down the track. So far with around 8 months of data with a very large sample size, severe adverse reactions are very rare, long term complications are even rarer.
My take on the situation is that the protection provided is worth the risk.
touted benefits of the 'vaccine' are being rolled back more and more as more data comes out. As is commonly known, the vaccines in use now were developed for the original strain, still very effective against that. In the UK a recent study found vaccinated people had a 59% reduced risk of getting symptomatic COVID19 Delta strain compared to unvaccinated. So yes, less effective against the newer strains, but better than natural immunity and hopefully we will get updated boosters in the new future tailored for the new strains. In the US they found reinfection was 2 times more likely among unvaccinated compared to vaccinated. The naturally induced immune response was just not working as well as the vaccine induced immune response.
But feel free to ignore all this and tell me how you think we should be dealing with this Pandemic? It would be great if things like HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin C and D etc... worked as claimed. We could use vaccines to reduce the number of people getting seriously ill, and then have really effective treatments for people who do get sick.
