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cammd
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16 Aug 2021 3:03pm

kiterboy said..



Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.


Life is an unknown so why are you so stressed about the vaccine.

Just the odds tell you your better with it than without it when your turn to catch covid comes around.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 1:17pm
cammd said..



kiterboy said..




Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.



Life is an unknown so why are you so stressed about the vaccine.

Just the odds tell you your better with it than without it when your turn to catch covid comes around.


Is that your reasoning for getting the jab?
You're happy to trade short term benefit (which is looking more and more unlikely each day) for a possible personal health catastrophe down the track?
Macroscien
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16 Aug 2021 3:27pm
kiterboy said..


kiterboy said..




FormulaNova said..





psychojoe said..





FormulaNova said..






psychojoe said..






FormulaNova said..









Well, you are implying that good healthy eating is going to protect you, and I am reminding you that moving from Vic to WA means that you are far less likely to get exposed and test your theory. Had you moved from WA to Vic or NSW it would look different.







Nope.
I'm asserting that I'm comfortable with my individual risk ratio and I choose to improve my chances significantly by living healthy.
And I'll remind you that I didn't move to avoid Covid, I'd drink a Covid smoothie to end this political lockdown debacle







Yeah okay, you are comfortable with your individual risk. You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't like to gamble with my life with those odds, but clearly you have a different risk profile.






But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?





Yeah, I was pretty certain that you would avoid that question completely.
Makes you pretty uncomfortable to realise that you've gambled your health on an unknown.

Anyone else here willing to say why they are/were willing to take the gamble on having an injection of a novel therapy, not having any idea in the slightest what the effects on their long-term health could be?

Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.



I love your rezoning recently.
There is my answer to your question.
I believe in mine guardian angel to keep me safe .
but just in case she/he/it loose a grip, I took the gamble, took the jab
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 1:31pm
Macroscien said..


kiterboy said..




kiterboy said..






FormulaNova said..







psychojoe said..







FormulaNova said..








psychojoe said..








FormulaNova said..











Well, you are implying that good healthy eating is going to protect you, and I am reminding you that moving from Vic to WA means that you are far less likely to get exposed and test your theory. Had you moved from WA to Vic or NSW it would look different.









Nope.
I'm asserting that I'm comfortable with my individual risk ratio and I choose to improve my chances significantly by living healthy.
And I'll remind you that I didn't move to avoid Covid, I'd drink a Covid smoothie to end this political lockdown debacle









Yeah okay, you are comfortable with your individual risk. You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't like to gamble with my life with those odds, but clearly you have a different risk profile.








But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?







Yeah, I was pretty certain that you would avoid that question completely.
Makes you pretty uncomfortable to realise that you've gambled your health on an unknown.

Anyone else here willing to say why they are/were willing to take the gamble on having an injection of a novel therapy, not having any idea in the slightest what the effects on their long-term health could be?

Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.





I love your rezoning recently.
There is my answer to your question.
I believe in mine guardian angel to keep me safe .
but just in case she/he/it loose a grip, I took the gamble, took the jab



Why did you not trust your guardian angel to keep you safe from covid but supposedly to keep you safe from the jab?
Macroscien
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16 Aug 2021 3:38pm
kiterboy said..



Macroscien said..





kiterboy said..







kiterboy said..









FormulaNova said..










psychojoe said..










FormulaNova said..











psychojoe said..











FormulaNova said..














Well, you are implying that good healthy eating is going to protect you, and I am reminding you that moving from Vic to WA means that you are far less likely to get exposed and test your theory. Had you moved from WA to Vic or NSW it would look different.












Nope.
I'm asserting that I'm comfortable with my individual risk ratio and I choose to improve my chances significantly by living healthy.
And I'll remind you that I didn't move to avoid Covid, I'd drink a Covid smoothie to end this political lockdown debacle












Yeah okay, you are comfortable with your individual risk. You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't like to gamble with my life with those odds, but clearly you have a different risk profile.











But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?










Yeah, I was pretty certain that you would avoid that question completely.
Makes you pretty uncomfortable to realise that you've gambled your health on an unknown.

Anyone else here willing to say why they are/were willing to take the gamble on having an injection of a novel therapy, not having any idea in the slightest what the effects on their long-term health could be?

Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.








I love your rezoning recently.
There is my answer to your question.
I believe in mine guardian angel to keep me safe .
but just in case she/he/it loose a grip, I took the gamble, took the jab






Why did you not trust your guardian angel to keep you safe from covid but supposedly to keep you safe from the jab?




ye, right
.since angel allow me to get a jab, before meteorite strike GP lab first,
that's mean jab is safe !



or maybe tried to warn me and stop me
but missed a bit

lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 3:39pm
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 1:57pm
lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.


So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?
lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 4:02pm
So your reasoning is Im happy to put all these other chemicals into my body that havent been tested long term, but not the covid one because it was on social media ?
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 2:13pm
lotofwind said..
So your reasoning is Im happy to put all these other chemicals into my body that havent been tested long term, but not the covid one because it was on social media ?



I actually didn't say that at all. You did.

Just because you are happy to put all that crap in your body and use that to justify getting an unquantifiable treatment injected into your body, doesn't mean we all are or do.

It's interesting to know you value your health so little.
Pugwash
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16 Aug 2021 2:14pm
kiterboy said..

lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.



So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?


When was the last time you pounded down a quarter pounder? Chowed a Big Mac? Woofed a cheese burger. Soz, don't know what else that place sells now.

It's 25 years since I put that stuff in my body.

#FullyVaccinated.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 2:15pm
Pugwash said..

kiterboy said..


lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.




So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?



When was the last time you pounded down a quarter pounder? Chowed a Big Mac? Woofed a cheese burger. Soz, don't know what else that place sells now.

It's 25 years since I put that stuff in my body.

#FullyVaccinated.


Thanks for the vitue signalling, but you didn't say why you're happy to take the gamble.
lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 4:17pm
Na, kitekid wouldnt eat at Maccas, its been on twitter the risks of their food. lol
But happy to take any other drug from the doc or processed food........as long as there is no youtube vid saying it will kill you.lol
Pugwash
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16 Aug 2021 2:44pm
kiterboy said..

Pugwash said..


kiterboy said..



lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.





So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?




When was the last time you pounded down a quarter pounder? Chowed a Big Mac? Woofed a cheese burger. Soz, don't know what else that place sells now.

It's 25 years since I put that stuff in my body.

#FullyVaccinated.



Thanks for the vitue signalling, but you didn't say why you're happy to take the gamble.


What gamble do you mean?

Playing the odds of CV19 vs vaccine risks?

#FullyVaccinated. -> 2 glorious dose of Pfizer.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 2:44pm
lotofwind said..
Na, kitekid wouldnt eat at Maccas, its been on twitter the risks of their food. lol
But happy to take any other drug from the doc or processed food........as long as there is no youtube vid saying it will kill you.lol


It's interesting how you find the question so confronting that you can't even seriously consider why you took the jab.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 2:47pm
Pugwash said..

kiterboy said..


Pugwash said..



kiterboy said..




lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.






So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?





When was the last time you pounded down a quarter pounder? Chowed a Big Mac? Woofed a cheese burger. Soz, don't know what else that place sells now.

It's 25 years since I put that stuff in my body.

#FullyVaccinated.




Thanks for the vitue signalling, but you didn't say why you're happy to take the gamble.



What gamble do you mean?

Playing the odds of CV19 vs vaccine risks?

#FullyVaccinated. -> 2 glorious dose of Pfizer.


Why were you happy to gamble your health by taking an injection of an experimental treatment, that noone knows the long-term adverse health effects of?
FormulaNova
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16 Aug 2021 2:49pm
kiterboy said..
kiterboy said..
But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?

Yeah, I was pretty certain that you would avoid that question completely.


No, just avoiding someone I think is an idiot and not worth discussing things with. It is a public forum. We all have that choice.
kiterboy
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16 Aug 2021 2:53pm
FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

kiterboy said..
But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?


Yeah, I was pretty certain that you would avoid that question completely.



No, just avoiding someone I think is an idiot and not worth discussing things with. It is a public forum. We all have that choice.


I understand. It's a hard question to answer when you realise that you don't know why you took the jab without considering the long-term health effects.
lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 5:00pm
FormulaNova said..
No, just avoiding someone I think is an idiot and not worth discussing things with. It is a public forum. We all have that choice.


^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol bang on FN.
Pugwash
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16 Aug 2021 3:01pm
kiterboy said..



Pugwash said..




kiterboy said..





Pugwash said..






kiterboy said..







lotofwind said..
lol, half the antibiotics and chemicals in foods etc. havent been tested for 15 year long term affects yet, but you take them without questioning it. So why this one?
I think a few are getting sucked into this one because its on social media, but will have forgotten about it when the next hot twitter trend starts.

No one has yet explained why this is just the gov. trying to control us, stop us working and traveling conspiracy.









So that is your reasoning is it?
The jab is just one more bad decision, in a long line of bad decisons, to put inside your body?








When was the last time you pounded down a quarter pounder? Chowed a Big Mac? Woofed a cheese burger. Soz, don't know what else that place sells now.

It's 25 years since I put that stuff in my body.

#FullyVaccinated.







Thanks for the vitue signalling, but you didn't say why you're happy to take the gamble.






What gamble do you mean?

Playing the odds of CV19 vs vaccine risks?

#FullyVaccinated. -> 2 glorious dose of Pfizer.





Why were you happy to gamble your health by taking an injection of an experimental treatment, that noone knows the long-term adverse health effects of?




Simple. Covid kills. I'll take 0.0001% chance of vaccine side effects over 2-3% fatality rate of Covid and the 20% chance of long Covid any day of the week.

Currently, this is choose your own adventure. you've chosen yours, I've chosen mine. I wish you all the best with the gamble.
TonyAbbott
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16 Aug 2021 3:08pm
They really don't know anything about their vaccines do they?

Remember when it was just 'two shots to get us back to normal?





psychojoe
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16 Aug 2021 3:14pm



Simple. Covid kills. I'll take 0.0001% chance of vaccine side effects over 2-3% fatality rate of Covid and the 20% chance of long Covid any day of the week.

Currently, this is choose your own adventure. you've chosen yours, I've chosen mine. I wish you all the best with the gamble.


Cool story bro. Needs more spaceships.
lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 5:14pm
It you ask the CT mob, the reson for a yearly jab is so that they can update the 5G chip injected to the new 6G chip next year
airsail
airsail
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16 Aug 2021 5:18pm
Seeing what is/was happening overseas in countries that failed to control the virus, thousands dying horrible deaths alone in ICU. It's a fact people die from Covid, lots of them. Yes, some also die from the vaccine but in tiny proportion to the number dying from the virus.

Your right Kiteboy, no one knows how the future will play out regarding the vaccine in years to come. But I know the virus will spread through the community and I'd rather a known protection now from a vaccine than a possible horrible death. So far there are no issues that I'm worried about from vaccinated people overseas, obviously there are for you.

My body, my choice, I'm fully vaccinated. Honestly I hope you avoid the virus when it spreads, mask up, keep healthy and stay reasonably isolated.
TonyAbbott
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16 Aug 2021 3:19pm
It is offen said that we should speak to our gp's about the vaccine. Under the guise that we would get the best advice.

However, they are only allowed regurgitate the government position or risk being unregistered.



.be#dialog
Pugwash
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16 Aug 2021 4:15pm
psychojoe said..




Simple. Covid kills. I'll take 0.0001% chance of vaccine side effects over 2-3% fatality rate of Covid and the 20% chance of long Covid any day of the week.

Currently, this is choose your own adventure. you've chosen yours, I've chosen mine. I wish you all the best with the gamble.



Cool story bro. Needs more spaceships.


The non-fictional type like SN9 or the non-fictional type like the Millennium Falcon? Fictional. it's fictional!!! So, the numbers. which stat do you dispute? Perhaps you would like to multiply chance of getting Covid by stats to assess your risk?

I wish you well on your chosen adventure as well. Can't wait to see your post of a selfie with a Wookie.
Macroscien
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16 Aug 2021 6:23pm


www.csis.org/analysis/global-political-protests-and-future-democracy

anything missing on the list? we should worry about?

some contrives more happy then other?

Yep, I could see Norway missing on the list! Not protesting about lack of rubber tubes to their bicycles!

yeee, what is wrong with this country...??
why police in Norway do not button their citizens? beurocrats don't take bribes ? people don't throw plastic bottle into buses? viruses don't seem to effect either...
lotofwind
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16 Aug 2021 6:34pm
Today there was about 500 new covid cases in Australia with 8 deaths, none were fully vaxed.
Today there was over 100 000 people who had second covid jab, no deaths from jab.
D3
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16 Aug 2021 5:06pm
Hey kiterboy, no one knows the long term problems that come from actually catching Covid.
There are some pretty rough short term affects.
Like being sick enough to be put in hospital.

The vaccines have passed all the sane safety requirements as every flu shot, and the only ingredient in them that we're unsure about is the actual Covid bit (whether it's the mRNA or whatever). And by unsure, I mean it's the only bit we haven't been able to see the affects on humans for years. So choose having a reaction to the Covid part of a vaccine or choose having a reaction to the actual disease.
D3
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16 Aug 2021 5:10pm
TonyAbbott said..
They really don't know anything about their vaccines do they?

Remember when it was just 'two shots to get us back to normal?






Surprising that you think we don't know much about a disease that's been around for less than two years and mutates faster than the flu!

We get boosters for the flu, too.

All your saying is supporting the fact we need to at least get on top of the current variants before a new wave comes through. New variants that the current vaccines don't work against will really ruin our next few years
D3
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16 Aug 2021 5:37pm
kiterboy said..

cammd said..





kiterboy said..





Edit: this is actually an honest question. I genuinely would like to know peoples' reasons/justifications/rationalisations.
I don't understand how you could be comfortable gambling on their an unknown.
I don't want to get covid, but neither do I want to be a guinea pig.




Life is an unknown so why are you so stressed about the vaccine.

Just the odds tell you your better with it than without it when your turn to catch covid comes around.



Is that your reasoning for getting the jab?
You're happy to trade short term benefit (which is looking more and more unlikely each day) for a possible personal health catastrophe down the track?


Why are the benefits looking less likely?
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