psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

airsail said..
Commentators are saying NSW has lost control of the current outbreak, Victoria cases a low but rising. NSW is trying one last stab at reducing case numbers with full lockdown.


What if it fails, I really hope not but it could happen. Whether your pro or unvaxed you have to agree vaccination slows hospital admissions, we just don't have that many beds.


I'd be interested to know what plans the unvaxed have to protect themselves should case numbers explode. Masks and hand washing only goes so far. Or maybe Covid just doesn't exist for some.

My plan is to eat well and hope for the best.
It's the same plan I had when this whole shmozzle started.
Fortunately, I see it's worked for most, some of them weren't even eating particularly well and still didn't suffer.

Should I mention that you also moved to a state that is isolating itself from the rest of Aus and currently has no cases of Covid?

No. You shouldn't. That sort of remark belongs only in heavy weather.

Well, you are implying that good healthy eating is going to protect you, and I am reminding you that moving from Vic to WA means that you are far less likely to get exposed and test your theory. Had you moved from WA to Vic or NSW it would look different.

Kamikuza said..

FormulaNova said..
With NSW in lockdown, all of it, does anyone think we should have had dedicated quarantine facilities ages ago to prevent this crap?

I have lost track, but has the federal government committed to anything on this front?

Yes, we should concentrate all of them in a camp...

As you haven't said otherwise, I will take your comment as not sarcastic... So you must agree with me then. Good.

Why wouldn't you concentrate them all in a camp. Where you can control infection far better than in converted hotels? Where they can all not pass Covid to each other and when it is done, they are free to be released into the wild.

Surely its a better approach than hoping that no one catches it from a hotel not designed to control airborne viruses?

If everyone coming in from overseas came into a more remote airport and the air staff were housed in dedicated facilities, we wouldn't be in this mess in NSW. Letting them stay in Sydney and be transported is just asking for someone to catch it from them.

FormulaNova said..
As you haven't said otherwise, I will take your comment as not sarcastic... So you must agree with me then. Good.

Why wouldn't you concentrate them all in a camp. Where you can control infection far better than in converted hotels? Where they can all not pass Covid to each other and when it is done, they are free to be released into the wild.

Surely its a better approach than hoping that no one catches it from a hotel not designed to control airborne viruses?

If everyone coming in from overseas came into a more remote airport and the air staff were housed in dedicated facilities, we wouldn't be in this mess in NSW. Letting them stay in Sydney and be transported is just asking for someone to catch it from them.

Sarcastic because it's a bull**** idea and the optics are appalling.

Who's going to run the camps? The government, who'll balls it up, drive up costs and line their pockets in the process? MIQ in NZ is costing the government $4 million a day (according to recent RNZ program) and that's including the ex-pats paying for the privilege.

Of course you can't trust the stupid peons to self-quarantine, they're so pathetic they desperately need the government to hold their hands and tell them what is best for them. (Meanwhile in Japan, you get a test at the airport, then take yourself off to self-quarantine, which you can do at your own home.)

You'd have to transfer from an international flight to a domestic to get to the remote airports that aren't designed for big aircraft. More people exposed in that process, if that's what you're actually worried about.

We know how to deal with this: wash your hands, wear a mask if you can't social distance, get vaccinated if you're able and your government actually has the stock.

Remember the Nightingale hospitals the UK purpose-built to handle all the COVID patients? They got a couple of months of light use then were closed. Great boondoggle though, I bet some people made bank on it.

Bit of a worry.

healthimpactnews.com/2021/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/

japie said..
Why wouldn't you just take the Swedish approach?

Soooooooo simple. Protect the vulnerable and let it run its course.

thevaccinereaction.org/2021/08/daily-covid-deaths-in-sweden-hit-zero-as-other-nations-brace-for-more-lockdowns/

Ha ha herd immunity, that's so dumb. People will get sick, how dare you? /s

D3 said..

Gboots said..

micksmith said..

cammd said..

FormulaNova said..

Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.

This is the wrong way to look at things,

It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.

Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.

Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.

Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .

So what is your solution?

If you are worried take vaccine.
If you don't think vaccine is warranted don't take.
Open society . No segregation. No "passports"

The vaccinated will be protected .
The unvaccinated will bear risk.

Even make it a need for unvaccinated to sign away rights to medical for covid sickness. Most will sign

Gboots said..

D3 said..

Gboots said..

micksmith said..

cammd said..

FormulaNova said..

Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.

This is the wrong way to look at things,

It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.

Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.

Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.

Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .

So what is your solution?

If you are worried take vaccine.
If you don't think vaccine is warranted don't take.
Open society . No segregation. No "passports"

The vaccinated will be protected .
The unvaccinated will bear risk.

Even make it a need for unvaccinated to sign away rights to medical for covid sickness. Most will sign

So. You want the majority of the population to protect you? But you don't want to do anything to protect the most vulnerable of the population?

D3 said..

TonyAbbott said..

D3 said..

In the US, once a person says they are vaccinated they do not get tested for covid.

That way you get the above results.

That's hilarious mate. Then the number should be zero, not 13

A few slip through and get tested despite the efforts.

japie said..
Why wouldn't you just take the Swedish approach?

Soooooooo simple. Protect the vulnerable and let it run its course.

thevaccinereaction.org/2021/08/daily-covid-deaths-in-sweden-hit-zero-as-other-nations-brace-for-more-lockdowns/

Okay, you said it, lets follow the Swedish approach.

In that very article you linked to, there is a comment that then drags you to this one, where it says at least 79% of adults have had at least one vaccination shot. (the comment also points out that its important to provide all the relevant info...)

www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedens-covid-czar-blames-nigh-clubs-travel-abroad-rising-cases-2021-08-06/

Let's do it!

If you want to sit on your arse and not get vaccinated, then highlighting the Swedish approach is not a match.

TonyAbbott said..
If lockdowns worked, why did we have to keep doing them?
If they didn't work, why did we keep doing them?

Oh, that's right. We're following The Science

What are you talking about. They did work. It was only started again by new infections from people coming into the country. If you remove those people from the equation there would be no Covid here.

I think early on last year most people worked out that lockdowns were only a stop-gap until enough people got vaccinated. If not enough people get vaccinated and 'want to protect their individual rights', who is to protect the rights of the rest?

Perfect way to start the week with Principal PC & a little prick

FormulaNova said..

Gboots said..
Even make it a need for unvaccinated to sign away rights to medical for covid sickness. Most will sign

I doubt this too. Even if they don't want to take a vaccine, they wouldn't be stupid.

Who here would sign away their rights for medical care that they are entitled to? Crazy talk.

You get worried about a vaccination passport. Imagine the uproar if you even suggested that the unvaccinated gave up their right to medical treatment.

After reading some of the comments on another forum....
One nurse, who's since deleted his comments, saying words to the effect of, I had to take my chance on the shot now you have to and if you don't then don't come to me with your broken leg or diabetes, just **** off.
Got me thinking, do I really want treatment from this sort of character. Gotta accept treatment from someone, it's all well and good to believe I'll survive Covid but there's a million other lethal ailments out there and were it not for medical intervention it's quite possible that my whole family would be gone by now.

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

Well, you are implying that good healthy eating is going to protect you, and I am reminding you that moving from Vic to WA means that you are far less likely to get exposed and test your theory. Had you moved from WA to Vic or NSW it would look different.

Nope.
I'm asserting that I'm comfortable with my individual risk ratio and I choose to improve my chances significantly by living healthy.
And I'll remind you that I didn't move to avoid Covid, I'd drink a Covid smoothie to end this political lockdown debacle

Yeah okay, you are comfortable with your individual risk. You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't like to gamble with my life with those odds, but clearly you have a different risk profile.

But you are willing to gamble your life, by accepting an injection with unknown long-term side effects.

Why is that?

FormulaNova said..

Gboots said..
Even make it a need for unvaccinated to sign away rights to medical for covid sickness. Most will sign

I doubt this too. Even if they don't want to take a vaccine, they wouldn't be stupid.

Who here would sign away their rights for medical care that they are entitled to? Crazy talk.

You get worried about a vaccination passport. Imagine the uproar if you even suggested that the unvaccinated gave up their right to medical treatment.

Only for Covid illness .

Gboots said..

FormulaNova said..

Gboots said..
Even make it a need for unvaccinated to sign away rights to medical for covid sickness. Most will sign

I doubt this too. Even if they don't want to take a vaccine, they wouldn't be stupid.

Who here would sign away their rights for medical care that they are entitled to? Crazy talk.

You get worried about a vaccination passport. Imagine the uproar if you even suggested that the unvaccinated gave up their right to medical treatment.

Only for Covid illness .

That's how I read it, I guess some just read things the way they want to see it. Anything to justify their false sense of securities