lachlan3556 said...

Why?

You feel you could protect yourself and family from some thug/thugs who come into your home some random night, are you willing to bet the lives of your family members on it? How many times times can you afford to be wrong (I hope the answer is 0)?

It may never happen, but if it did and you failed to protect them because you were KO or stabbed first, how would you feel?

The video I posted earlier in the thread is, what I thought, a good example of my arguments validity, let alone what we hear on the news every week.

Just by having a gun dosnt mean that you could have/would have been able to do anything about it. Btw the last time I looked I was living in Perth WA and I cant recall a moment when Ive thought "gee I wish I had a gun on me".

So do you carry a gun in the streets Lachlan? I dont live in Victoria so I dont really know but I wouldnt think you would need one.

Beaglebuddy said...

Just wondering why everyone is getting so worked up over something that's happening in the U.S.A.?
Like I care about the internal laws and policies of Australia?

I dont like to see mass killings of people no matter where it happens, it seems to happen alot in the US and not much elsewhere. Except Norway recently.

But hey if you guys want to shoot each other up well thats up to you isnt it.

felixdcat said...

lachlan3556 said...

Why?

You feel you could protect yourself and family from some thug/thugs who come into your home some random night, are you willing to bet the lives of your family members on it? How many times times can you afford to be wrong (I hope the answer is 0)?

It may never happen, but if it did and you failed to protect them because you were KO or stabbed first, how would you feel?

The video I posted earlier in the thread is, what I thought, a good example of my arguments validity, let alone what we hear on the news every week.

The man never talked about the street! I am with him on that..... just see the number of home invasions in Perth recently.... all the peeps bashed sensless! I have a good perimetre alarm sistem that will give me plenty of time to get ready and get old faithfull outa the gun cabinet. I have decided that nobody will bash me or any familly member in my house castle!( If I can help it)

What happens if there is two of them you have the gun then the other comes up behind you bam! Cracks you on the head then the perp has your gun and control of your house and everything in it. Sorry thats not a good excuse either.

doggie said...

felixdcat said...

lachlan3556 said...

Why?

You feel you could protect yourself and family from some thug/thugs who come into your home some random night, are you willing to bet the lives of your family members on it? How many times times can you afford to be wrong (I hope the answer is 0)?

It may never happen, but if it did and you failed to protect them because you were KO or stabbed first, how would you feel?

The video I posted earlier in the thread is, what I thought, a good example of my arguments validity, let alone what we hear on the news every week.

The man never talked about the street! I am with him on that..... just see the number of home invasions in Perth recently.... all the peeps bashed sensless! I have a good perimetre alarm sistem that will give me plenty of time to get ready and get old faithfull outa the gun cabinet. I have decided that nobody will bash me or any familly member in my house castle!( If I can help it)

What happens if there is two of them you have the gun then the other comes up behind you bam! Cracks you on the head then the perp has your gun and control of your house and everything in it. Sorry thats not a good excuse either.

There is always a chance of things going bad, its all about improving your chances. For example I know my house like the back of my hand, and its unlikely that someone can sneek up behind me from rooms that I check as I go through it. Plus, its pretty hard to sneek up behind someone in a dead quiet house. I'm damn sure that if there were two (or more) intruders I would rather be armed than not. My plan is to hide with my girlfriend with 12 ga pointed at the door, while we call 000. When we have kids I'll have to revise.

Each to their own though if you would rather be 100% at their mercy should there be a confrontation (assuming they are armed the same as you)...

I have guns anyway for hunting.

If someone comes at me with an iron bar/gun/knife/fists to abuse or steal in my home and put my family at potential mortal risk, Id say they've given up their rights to a fair fight. Don't do break and enter and you have nothing to worry about.

I'm guessing you don't believe its a human right to be able to protect your family/self in your own home?

My guns primary purposes are hunting, a task I will be doing my entire life. Yes, I guess they also give some degree of protection but its not why I bought them.

Are you also implying that an intruders life is equal to, or worth risking a wifes/husbands/sons/daughters?

Not even if taking that life is to ensure the survival of the innocent?

lachlan3556 said...

Not even if taking that life is to ensure the survival of the innocent?

I think I answered that in my post.

I'd upgrade to a baseball bat at least Doggie. I've witnessed a fight where a golf club was wrapped around someones head, and it didn't do much more than get the attacker bloody and extra angry. Plus, I don't feel confident that unless I sconed someone in the head with a club, that I would do much to stop them. Again, it all depends of the perp. and what type of human they are. Not a bet I'd be willing to make considering the potential consequences of losing.

I should of said earlier that hiding is plan A, once I have the family together and safe. Its not like you would be looking for trouble unless it was absolutely necessary.

I wish the anti-private-gun-ownership people would put as much effort into lobbying against crooks with tyre irons, knives, bats etc getting real penalties as they do lobbying against guns.

Fact of life - guns are used for lawful purposes including culling ferals. That will never go away, particularly as we try to sustain agriculture for 7bil people.

I have a (bloody dangerous) chainsaw that only gets used rarely. Maybe we should ban them cos on the rare occassion I need it I could get a licensed professional in....
Do we ban nail guns? I mean, roof chippies could convert them to shoot other stuff and go psycho Strewth, nobody needs more than one or two knives in their house. Maybe we should seriously consider restricting them, and really folding pocket knives are designed for concealment and nobody really needs to carry a knife as they walk the street.

We give needles to junkies for free so they can use an illicit product, organised crime identities get a $500 fine for having an illegal pistol on them ..... yet you fellas reckon a law abiding average citizen can't have a rifle. Stop the world, I wanna get off...

Mark _australia said...

I wish the anti-private-gun-ownership people would put as much effort into lobbying against crooks with tyre irons, knives, bats etc getting real penalties as they do lobbying against guns.

Fact of life - guns are used for lawful purposes including culling ferals. That will never go away, particularly as we try to sustain agriculture for 7bil people.

I have a (bloody dangerous) chainsaw that only gets used rarely. Maybe we should ban them cos on the rare occassion I need it I could get a licensed professional in....
Do we ban nail guns? I mean, roof chippies could convert them to shoot other stuff and go psycho Strewth, nobody needs more than one or two knives in their house. Maybe we should seriously consider restricting them, and really folding pocket knives are designed for concealment and nobody really needs to carry a knife as they walk the street.

We give needles to junkies for free so they can use an illicit product, organised crime identities get a $500 fine for having an illegal pistol on them ..... yet you fellas reckon a law abiding average citizen can't have a rifle. Stop the world, I wanna get off...

Yep, see what I mean. And Mark, Those SH1t countries you mentioned before, The UK, Japan, Germany......yep real "sh1t" countries there!!!????

Logman seems you ignored all the lightest colours
Most of Africa
All of Asia (incl China, real big on civil rights aren't they?)
All the ex- soviet union
Pakistan, Afghanistan, India
Half of south america

All top places to live.

Every time I hear the penalty a crim gets for a firearms offence is a joke! They just get fines in the order of hundreds of dollars, where as if it were me I'd lose my licence, lose my game licence, lose my guns, maybe lose my assets (police may sieze my boat and or vehicle), and therefore lose my way of life...

Where's the deterrent?

Ados said...

lachlan3556 said...

No I don't carry a gun with me on the streets, I don't even have one out at home all the time. I was just saying that if I had ever had to get the gun out of the cabinet/safe to confront an intruder, I should be able to. If members of my family were abused or even killed, even once in my lifetime it would be hard to forgive myself. I want the odds stacked in my favor as much as possible (and a 12 ga is a decent way of doing that) as you never know what the morals of the intruder may be.

Call me old fashioned, but I think there is a 'duty of care' a person with a family should commit to (ie: taking measures to make a family safe; be it putting a fence around the pool, having working smoke alarms, making a house safe for infants, not letting teens drink excessive amounts of alcohol (too often), no smoking in the house (in my case, not at all), etc).

unfortunately, you are more likely to be abused/injured or killed by someone in your family or group of friends.

Also, there is a lot of 'macho' talk on this subject but I wonder if anyone here has the specific training to use deadly force on people intent on getting into your house?

I doubt your first comment re. family and friends. Where did you find this.

Thats the point, I've had training in firearm use. I haven't spent my weekends fighting in pubs/gangs/streets/other break and enters getting practise pumbling a face in, and that is why I would choose to defend with a gun.

Ados said...
unfortunately, you are more likely to be abused/injured or killed by someone in your family or group of friends.

Also, there is a lot of 'macho' talk on this subject but I wonder if anyone here has the specific training to use deadly force on people intent on getting into your house?

Crims have not been trained in deadly force and seem to be able to kill nice people just fine.

Can't the nice people have a gun for defence?

(BTW places that allow firearms to be owned for self defence (exclusively) require the owner to have done some training.)

If a bloke was punching fk out of you and you punched him back would that make you "macho" ??? Seeing as though u used macho talk as a derogatory term.....
And do you need a black belt in katate to hit him back?