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Beaglebuddy
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25 Jul 2012 3:38pm
evlPanda said...

It sounds like a personal arms race is the only solution. M.A.D. Ha ha ha ha ah ha hahahaahaaa!!!

In Japan even the police don't have guns and oooh looky, they have one of if not the lowest number of gun deaths in the world.

It's harder to kill someone if you don't have an assault rifle.


Japan and the USA have nothing in common, Japan is a nation of people who all look the same and mostly act the same, the USA is hugely diverse not to mention much larger in population.
No comparison.
Chris6791
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25 Jul 2012 3:52pm
A quick search on Wiki comes up with the following.

Laws vary from state to state in the United States of America, however 30 states statutorily ban weapons at post-secondary schools. Of the 20 states where licensed concealed carry is not legally forbidden, 19 allow schools to adopt their own gun policies. It is exceedingly rare for schools in these 19 states to allow licensed concealed carry by rule. The two best-known examples are Colorado State University, and Blue Ridge Community College, in Weyers Cave, Virginia. Utah is the only state that specifically requires public universities to allow licensed concealed carry on their grounds.[3] Further, a 2003 study revealed that 150 major colleges and universities restricted firearms in some form. A total of 82 banned guns completely, 25 required them to be stored in a central facility, and another 27 restricted possession to certain groups such as ROTC units and shooting teams.[10]

Concealed carry is legal in most areas of the United States. A handful of states and jurisdictions restrict or ban CCW, but all states except Illinois make provision for legal concealed carry via a permit or license, or via constitutional carry. Most states have "shall-issue" statutes; that is, if a person meets the requirements to obtain a permit, the state must issue one. Some states, including California, New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts have "may-issue" statutes; these states may (or may not) issue permits to carry if a person meets the requirements to obtain one. States with may-issue statutes typically do not issue permits unless the applicant provides a documented need for a concealed weapon, such as for retired police officers, judges, and federal agents.



Arizona Dept of Public Safety website.


Are there any firearm restrictions? Please see below for firearm restrictions:
•Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)

•Polling places on election days (peace officers are excepted)

•School grounds (some exceptions – see below) (peace officers are excepted)

•Commercial nuclear & hydroelectric generating stations (peace officers are excepted)

•Military installations (peace officers are limited)

•Indian reservations (check w/tribe, peace officers are limited)

•Game preserves (peace officers are limited)

•National parks (peace officers are limited) more information available at www.doi.gov or contact the park service regarding pending federal legislation.

•Correctional facilities

•Federal buildings (peace officers are limited)

•Airports (in or beyond security checkpoints) (peace officers are limited)

•Where federal, state or local laws prohibit weapons (peace officers are limited)

•State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for ARS 13-1502 or ARS 13-1503, depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)


Texas legislation.

Restrictions on licensed concealed carry

While a permitted resident of Texas (or a nonresident holding a recognized permit) is generally authorized to carry concealed in most public places, there are State and Federal laws that still restrict a permit holder from carrying a concealed weapon in certain situations. These include:
Federal buildings - Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within federal parks and preserves; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.
Schools - It is a felony under TPC section 46.03 to carry a concealed weapon (licensed or not) inside a building of any educational institution, or any building being used by an educational institution for educational purposes (such as temporary, overflow or emergency facilities). The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter. Carry of a concealed weapon while in a public outdoor area surrounding an educational building is permitted; as defined by TPC 46.035(f)(3), "premises" refers only to a building or part of a building, and does not refer to driveways, streets, sidewalks, parking lots, or parking garages.
Public sporting events - It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry while inside a building currently being used for an interscholastic or professional sporting event, unless the person carrying is a participant in the sporting event and said sporting event requires the use of the firearm (i.e. a target shooting competition).
Businesses posting a compliant "51% sign" - It is a felony to carry a concealed weapon while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially "bars", "nightclubs", "taverns", "saloons", etc). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red "51%" to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.
Correctional facilities - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building generally termed a "jail" or "prison".
Courts or court offices - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building used by a functioning municipal, state or federal court for official business.
Election polling places - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building being used as a polling center for any municipal, state and/or federal elections process on the scheduled voting date or while polling is underway. This is significant, as a local business which would normally not prohibit concealed carry may offer their facilities for use as a polling place. A person would be in violation if they entered the building on the day voting occurs, even if the polls are not open at the time, and even if the license holder is there for some other purpose than to vote.
Racetracks - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry a firearm on the premises of a racetrack (horse, dog or automobile).
While intoxicated - CHL holders may not carry in any place or at any time while they meet the legal definition of intoxicated, including having a BAL of .08% or greater, but also including being under the influence of any one of a number of intoxicating substances including certain medications.


I can't find anything that prohibits those licensed to carry concealed weapons from taking them into movie theatres (unless they are licensed for alcohol). I'd be interest to hear Beaglebuddy's take on this?
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Nuclear bomb....such a proud achievement...
They defiantly think that they are the center of the Universe
We invented wine casks,utes and the cork hat...no flies on us
doggie
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25 Jul 2012 4:11pm
One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
Im sympathetic to the victims, not the law makers.

We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
Like sweeping it under the carpet until it happens again.

And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.
Inventing things is great but using them correctly is another
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25 Jul 2012 4:18pm
Being a movie theatre it wouldnt have the 51% sales of alcohol so I dont think the Federal (or is it state?) prohibition would apply. This particular shooting happened in Colorado where different State laws would apply.
Many companies reserve the right to prohibit weapons on thier property- might have been the case here- or just a simple case of nobody in the audience happened to be carrying a weapon- or was able to fight back.
Its a bit hard to see when your eyes are full of tear gas or smoke.
Maybe tear gas and smoke grenades should be banned...........
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25 Jul 2012 6:22pm
Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.


You're also the biggest wankers on the planet too
Waterloo
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25 Jul 2012 6:33pm
Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.




Hey BB, out of interest, how do you feel when you travel to other countries and don't have a gun as backup for personal safety?

Woodo
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25 Jul 2012 4:35pm
Beaglebuddy said...
One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.


Macroscien
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25 Jul 2012 6:59pm
Beaglebuddy said...

And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.

go on.. invent apocalypse
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25 Jul 2012 7:03pm
log man said...

Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.



You're also the biggest wankers on the planet too



Oh don't sell your self short loggy !!
Chris6791
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25 Jul 2012 5:04pm
sn said...

Being a movie theatre it wouldnt have the 51% sales of alcohol so I dont think the Federal (or is it state?) prohibition would apply. This particular shooting happened in Colorado where different State laws would apply.
Many companies reserve the right to prohibit weapons on thier property- might have been the case here- or just a simple case of nobody in the audience happened to be carrying a weapon- or was able to fight back.
Its a bit hard to see when your eyes are full of tear gas or smoke.
Maybe tear gas and smoke grenades should be banned...........


I did more digging than I posted up, but from what I could find it's federal law that over-arches prohibition from schools and federal buildings so there should be some consistency anyway.

I just can't understand the arguement that they are protecting their own freedom. Freedom from who or what? Foreign invasion? significant civil unrest? is anyone over there really expecting another civil war? Are the confederates going to rise again? They are using the excuse of right to bear arms and 'we fought for our freedom' but there is no internal or external threat that I'm aware of that makes this arguement valid. Times have changed a fair bit since 1791.

It seems the biggest risk is is the regular person going to the mall, the movies or a class at university. On that basis they can either start restricting supply and license them and slowly squeeze out the supply of new firearms (I think it's fair to say if you start restricting lawful firearms the supply of illegal firearms will diminish, though in this case it might now take ten generations), or turn it into a free for all where everytime you walk out the front door, its 'keys, wallet, phone, glock'.

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25 Jul 2012 5:09pm
Macroscien said...

Beaglebuddy said...

And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.

go on.. invent apocalypse



They did, Charlie Sheene was in it
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25 Jul 2012 5:11pm
Beaglebuddy said...

evlPanda said...

It sounds like a personal arms race is the only solution. M.A.D. Ha ha ha ha ah ha hahahaahaaa!!!

In Japan even the police don't have guns and oooh looky, they have one of if not the lowest number of gun deaths in the world.

It's harder to kill someone if you don't have an assault rifle.


Japan and the USA have nothing in common, Japan is a nation of people who all look the same and mostly act the same, the USA is hugely diverse not to mention much larger in population.
No comparison.


Patriotic and racist, typical.........
Beaglebuddy
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25 Jul 2012 5:59pm
Waterloo said...

Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.




Hey BB, out of interest, how do you feel when you travel to other countries and don't have a gun as backup for personal safety?




I don't travel to other countries, just have no interest in doing so, must have got it all out of my system while traveling the world with the United States Navy. BTW, I don't carry a gun, just collect them.
Beaglebuddy
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25 Jul 2012 6:06pm
Chris6791 said...

A quick search on Wiki comes up with the following.

Laws vary from state to state in the United States of America, however 30 states statutorily ban weapons at post-secondary schools. Of the 20 states where licensed concealed carry is not legally forbidden, 19 allow schools to adopt their own gun policies. It is exceedingly rare for schools in these 19 states to allow licensed concealed carry by rule. The two best-known examples are Colorado State University, and Blue Ridge Community College, in Weyers Cave, Virginia. Utah is the only state that specifically requires public universities to allow licensed concealed carry on their grounds.[3] Further, a 2003 study revealed that 150 major colleges and universities restricted firearms in some form. A total of 82 banned guns completely, 25 required them to be stored in a central facility, and another 27 restricted possession to certain groups such as ROTC units and shooting teams.[10]

Concealed carry is legal in most areas of the United States. A handful of states and jurisdictions restrict or ban CCW, but all states except Illinois make provision for legal concealed carry via a permit or license, or via constitutional carry. Most states have "shall-issue" statutes; that is, if a person meets the requirements to obtain a permit, the state must issue one. Some states, including California, New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts have "may-issue" statutes; these states may (or may not) issue permits to carry if a person meets the requirements to obtain one. States with may-issue statutes typically do not issue permits unless the applicant provides a documented need for a concealed weapon, such as for retired police officers, judges, and federal agents.



Arizona Dept of Public Safety website.


Are there any firearm restrictions? Please see below for firearm restrictions:
•Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)

•Polling places on election days (peace officers are excepted)

•School grounds (some exceptions – see below) (peace officers are excepted)

•Commercial nuclear & hydroelectric generating stations (peace officers are excepted)

•Military installations (peace officers are limited)

•Indian reservations (check w/tribe, peace officers are limited)

•Game preserves (peace officers are limited)

•National parks (peace officers are limited) more information available at www.doi.gov or contact the park service regarding pending federal legislation.

•Correctional facilities

•Federal buildings (peace officers are limited)

•Airports (in or beyond security checkpoints) (peace officers are limited)

•Where federal, state or local laws prohibit weapons (peace officers are limited)

•State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for ARS 13-1502 or ARS 13-1503, depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)


Texas legislation.

Restrictions on licensed concealed carry

While a permitted resident of Texas (or a nonresident holding a recognized permit) is generally authorized to carry concealed in most public places, there are State and Federal laws that still restrict a permit holder from carrying a concealed weapon in certain situations. These include:
Federal buildings - Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within federal parks and preserves; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.
Schools - It is a felony under TPC section 46.03 to carry a concealed weapon (licensed or not) inside a building of any educational institution, or any building being used by an educational institution for educational purposes (such as temporary, overflow or emergency facilities). The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter. Carry of a concealed weapon while in a public outdoor area surrounding an educational building is permitted; as defined by TPC 46.035(f)(3), "premises" refers only to a building or part of a building, and does not refer to driveways, streets, sidewalks, parking lots, or parking garages.
Public sporting events - It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry while inside a building currently being used for an interscholastic or professional sporting event, unless the person carrying is a participant in the sporting event and said sporting event requires the use of the firearm (i.e. a target shooting competition).
Businesses posting a compliant "51% sign" - It is a felony to carry a concealed weapon while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially "bars", "nightclubs", "taverns", "saloons", etc). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red "51%" to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.
Correctional facilities - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building generally termed a "jail" or "prison".
Courts or court offices - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building used by a functioning municipal, state or federal court for official business.
Election polling places - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building being used as a polling center for any municipal, state and/or federal elections process on the scheduled voting date or while polling is underway. This is significant, as a local business which would normally not prohibit concealed carry may offer their facilities for use as a polling place. A person would be in violation if they entered the building on the day voting occurs, even if the polls are not open at the time, and even if the license holder is there for some other purpose than to vote.
Racetracks - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry a firearm on the premises of a racetrack (horse, dog or automobile).
While intoxicated - CHL holders may not carry in any place or at any time while they meet the legal definition of intoxicated, including having a BAL of .08% or greater, but also including being under the influence of any one of a number of intoxicating substances including certain medications.


I can't find anything that prohibits those licensed to carry concealed weapons from taking them into movie theatres (unless they are licensed for alcohol). I'd be interest to hear Beaglebuddy's take on this?


Probably legal if you have a cc permit which can either be easy to obtain if you fit the criteria or completely impossible regardless of your need, it all depends upon the county you live in and how the politics have effected the local sheriff.
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25 Jul 2012 6:08pm
^^^ but worth mentioning that open visible carrying of a firearm requires no permit. You can have a pistol or revolver in a holster outside your clothing in many many states / counties. CCW permits only relate to ability to have concealed firearms on your person. Overseas people often don't realise that
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25 Jul 2012 6:10pm
doggie said...

Beaglebuddy said...

evlPanda said...

It sounds like a personal arms race is the only solution. M.A.D. Ha ha ha ha ah ha hahahaahaaa!!!

In Japan even the police don't have guns and oooh looky, they have one of if not the lowest number of gun deaths in the world.

It's harder to kill someone if you don't have an assault rifle.


Japan and the USA have nothing in common, Japan is a nation of people who all look the same and mostly act the same, the USA is hugely diverse not to mention much larger in population.
No comparison.


Patriotic and racist, typical.........

I think the term would be a homogeneous society. Is that racist?
Beaglebuddy
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25 Jul 2012 6:14pm
Mark _australia said...

^^^ but worth mentioning that open visible carrying of a firearm requires no permit. You can have a pistol or revolver in a holster outside your clothing in many many states / counties. CCW permits only relate to ability to have concealed firearms on your person. Overseas people often don't realise that


Arizona I believe you can do that but just because it's technically legal does not mean it is done.
While technically legal you could count on being harassed by the police if you tried this, not to mention creating a disturbance.
In small towns out west this may be done by people known to residents and police.
It's more a matter of practicality, they are ranchers and cowboys.
Juddy
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25 Jul 2012 6:18pm
Guns & the good ol' US of A. Jesus wept…..

The American constitution was written in the 1780's & came into effect in 1789 – about 223 years ago. Written at a time when the US was at war, without a formal military as such. That wonderful (insert sarcasm symbol here) amendment allowing the 'right to bear arms' & a regulated militia etc was appropriate at that time. I question its appropriateness now.

If shootin' is your thing so be it. At one level, I can appreciate the technical aspects of shootin' & huntin', it's certainly not something I'm interested in. Yes, I've fired a couple of handguns & gone hunting rabbits & roos, but not an everyday thing for a city boy like me. The idea of spending an afternoon at Swanbourne rifle range (or where ever) is about as exciting as watching grass grow IMO.

I can appreciate (but not necessary agree it's 'necessary') that many US citizens might own a hand gun arguing 'personal protection'. I can understand the huntin' brigade owning a rifle or two, a shotgun or two for duck huntin' & for farmers to own guns as working tools.

Short of being in a war zone, what the **** does anyone do with semi-automatic weapons? What's the “need” to own a MAC 10, or a Street sweeper, or an AK47 – or insert semi-automatic weapon of choice? Owning a .50 Cal sniper rifle is a “right”? We've all heard the line “with rights come responsibilities” – but seriously, America it's time to grow up.

The yanks fought for their liberty 220 odd years ago. They won. So get over it. It's time for America to build a bridge & move on from that. America's ongoing reliance on this argument about 'liberty being at risk if I give up my gun(s)' is a sign of their national immaturity IMO.

Until they are prepared to address the issues about access to & ownership of guns, the US will continue to have incidents like Colombine, like the movie cinema…and they will have no one to blame but themselves.
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25 Jul 2012 8:35pm
Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.



Sorry if i have missed some of the nuances of this convo, but we have a saying in this country in case you have missed it.."Only in America".

There really is no excuse or explanation for a country that allows this level of gun ownership, or for people to have no access to basic health care or financial welfare.

We can say all sorts of things about our "dole bludgers"but the reality is what occurrs in a so called first world country like the "good ole USA".

We really are the lucky country!
Mark _australia
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25 Jul 2012 6:42pm
Juddy said...

Short of being in a war zone, what the **** does anyone do with semi-automatic weapons? What's the “need” to own a MAC 10, or a Street sweeper, or an AK47 – or insert semi-automatic weapon of choice? Owning a .50 Cal sniper rifle is a “right”? We've all heard the line “with rights come responsibilities” – but seriously, America it's time to grow up.


Juddy, I can tell you what people do with semi auto firearms.

Cull vermin more effectively, that's what. Rapid follow-up shots are sometimes needed for humane culling and also when multiple running targets are encountered in thick bush. Feral pigs and rabbits doing the bolt are good Aussie examples.

Look at the thread here from a week ago about the 7:30 Report programme on pig dogging. It is the only way to control pigs in most areas.

It is no coincidence that since our 1996 bans pig dogging is on the rise and I have seen numerous paper articles about foxes being a problem in urban areas where they never have been before.

pierrec45
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25 Jul 2012 9:15pm
So many guns, it's a matter of time before some suicidal dude kills his twin brother by mistake..
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25 Jul 2012 9:24pm
Beaglebuddy said...

evlPanda said...

It sounds like a personal arms race is the only solution. M.A.D. Ha ha ha ha ah ha hahahaahaaa!!!

In Japan even the police don't have guns and oooh looky, they have one of if not the lowest number of gun deaths in the world.

It's harder to kill someone if you don't have an assault rifle.


Japan and the USA have nothing in common, Japan is a nation of people who all look the same and mostly act the same, the USA is hugely diverse not to mention much larger in population.
No comparison.



Ahhh, I am no Legislator but I think I may have the solution for you.....send all the Mexicans back to Mexico.....send all the African Americans back to Africa.....send all the European Americans back to Europe......problem solved and America will be a far more harmonious place...
Juddy
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25 Jul 2012 7:26pm


Juddy, I can tell you what people do with semi auto firearms.

Cull vermin more effectively, that's what. Rapid follow-up shots are sometimes needed for humane culling and also when multiple running targets are encountered in thick bush. Feral pigs and rabbits doing the bolt are good Aussie examples.


Mark,

sure, that would be reasonable IMO....explain to me please what use an AK47 (or similar semi-automatic weapon) is for pig huntin', pickin' off a few rabbits, sorting out feral animals etc? I've got no prob with their use for farmers etc....but some city/suburban guy or girl owning an AK/SKS/AR15 'cause s/he likes to shoot???

Nope - owning weapons designed to kill humans (not animals) simply doesn't fly.

Mark _australia
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25 Jul 2012 7:35pm
Juddy said...


Mark,

sure, that would be reasonable IMO....explain to me please what use an AK47 (or similar semi-automatic weapon) is for pig huntin', pickin' off a few rabbits, sorting out feral animals etc? I've got no prob with their use for farmers etc....but some city/suburban guy or girl owning an AK/SKS/AR15 'cause s/he likes to shoot???

Nope - owning weapons designed to kill humans (not animals) simply doesn't fly.




Please tell me the difference between a semi auto SKS / AK, and the exact same calibre in a semiauto "normal" rifle? There isn't one - apart from what they look like.
People are afraid of them due to media hysteria (thus why I posted the pic back on P3)

Additionally, we currently have the stupid situation where things are knocked back by Customs because they 'look' military even though they are legal to posses (eg AK's converted to pump action were not allowed by customs cos they 'look military', but pump action rifles in far more powerful calibres are licensed 10x a day)

Thus my problem is where laws are based upon media hype and a fundamental lack of understanding of firearms and their uses - all to make Govt look good. They could have spent $500mil on menatal health care but chose to ban a few certain types of tools. The nice people handed them in, but 10,000 SKS semi-auto's were not.

worrier
worrier
WA
726 posts
WA, 726 posts
25 Jul 2012 8:21pm
Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.


Yep and wonder why the rest of the world can't stand ya.
Bizare stuff

log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:31pm
Mark _australia said...

Juddy said...

Short of being in a war zone, what the **** does anyone do with semi-automatic weapons? What's the “need” to own a MAC 10, or a Street sweeper, or an AK47 – or insert semi-automatic weapon of choice? Owning a .50 Cal sniper rifle is a “right”? We've all heard the line “with rights come responsibilities” – but seriously, America it's time to grow up.


Juddy, I can tell you what people do with semi auto firearms.

Cull vermin more effectively, that's what. Rapid follow-up shots are sometimes needed for humane culling and also when multiple running targets are encountered in thick bush. Feral pigs and rabbits doing the bolt are good Aussie examples.

Look at the thread here from a week ago about the 7:30 Report programme on pig dogging. It is the only way to control pigs in most areas.

It is no coincidence that since our 1996 bans pig dogging is on the rise and I have seen numerous paper articles about foxes being a problem in urban areas where they never have been before.



Geez Mark that is so lame.
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:33pm
Mark _australia said...

Juddy said...


Mark,

sure, that would be reasonable IMO....explain to me please what use an AK47 (or similar semi-automatic weapon) is for pig huntin', pickin' off a few rabbits, sorting out feral animals etc? I've got no prob with their use for farmers etc....but some city/suburban guy or girl owning an AK/SKS/AR15 'cause s/he likes to shoot???

Nope - owning weapons designed to kill humans (not animals) simply doesn't fly.




Please tell me the difference between a semi auto SKS / AK, and the exact same calibre in a semiauto "normal" rifle? There isn't one - apart from what they look like.
People are afraid of them due to media hysteria (thus why I posted the pic back on P3)

Additionally, we currently have the stupid situation where things are knocked back by Customs because they 'look' military even though they are legal to posses (eg AK's converted to pump action were not allowed by customs cos they 'look military', but pump action rifles in far more powerful calibres are licensed 10x a day)

Thus my problem is where laws are based upon media hype and a fundamental lack of understanding of firearms and their uses - all to make Govt look good. They could have spent $500mil on menatal health care but chose to ban a few certain types of tools. The nice people handed them in, but 10,000 SKS semi-auto's were not.




And that is even lamer!
Macroscien
Macroscien
QLD
6809 posts
QLD, 6809 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:33pm
worrier said...

Beaglebuddy said...

worrier said...

Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the yanks from me.
Gun sales went up 45% in the US of A straight after this clown shoots up a cinema,
Not the brightest bunch on the planet for sure.
W

One thing is certain, Americans of all political perspectives are not looking for sympathy from any people in any other country.
We have a problem but we will deal with it ourselves without any outside interference.
And actually we are the brightest bunch on the planet, who invented the nuclear bomb, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, internet, windsurfer on and on.


Yep and wonder why the rest of the world can't stand ya.
Bizare stuff



Us works like real magnet-
attract all junk from underdeveloped world and repeal the rest
if you throw free green cards here in Au an Eu there will not be much response these days
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:40pm
log man said...

You're also the biggest wankers on the planet too



No. You take the prize for that one loggy.

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