^^^ dunno up there, but in WA you could not have . You need to be a bona fide collector with a 'theme' (like pre WW1 revolvers for example) not just a one off. Then for each aquisition you need to prove curio / collectable attributes of that particular gun.
Otherwise everyone would go get a collector's licence for a pistol

doggie said...

Squid Lips said...

The cause of all these problems is obviously people moving away from God. Gay marriage, womens rights, equality, abortion, Muslims, athiests, all that. It's like in Ghostbusters when everyone was mean to each other and all that purple goo started building up in the sewers.

There is a god? I dont think religion has got anything to do with it. These people are fkn nutters!!

I don't think it has anything to do with it either (and was being facetious) but some poeple do, like this guy... www.huffpost.com/entry/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099

It's attitudes like Gohmert's which will prevent that country making any real progress.

He even gets a mention in this one, which is one of the better commentaries I've read on it so far.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18877454

The underlying theme to this and some of the other stories / discussions is that the two sides are deadlocked and there's bugger-all chance of gun reform in the foreseeable future.

There's an excellent chance there will be another shooting spree though...

Mark _australia said...

^^^ dunno up there, but in WA you could not have . You need to be a bona fide collector with a 'theme' (like pre WW1 revolvers for example) not just a one off. Then for each aquisition you need to prove curio / collectable attributes of that particular gun.
Otherwise everyone would go get a collector's licence for a pistol

Wrong... that what they want to make you believe...... I have a collector myself, I started it with a 303 that I took with me from Europe, I have added a few goodies over the years, the condition is you are not shooting the guns, the guns can be recent as well I have a very nice Taurus 9mm parabellum on it as well!
you need to talk to the right firearm dealer!!!!

I should take Marks position and keep my mouth shut- this is probably going to get me flamed big time....

My background- My family- for generations, have been active shooters, police, military, hunting, target. you name it we have done it, enjoyed it and (usually) been damn good at it.
I had the dubious honour of running a rifle club for 10 years, only relinquishing my position due to work committments.
I have knocked back applications for membership to our club on many occasions simply because I wasnt comfortable with the attitude of the applicant- no easy option to get your mitts on a firearm with us.

I used to go hunting for the freezer, and for vermin control, until the gold band on my left hand put the brakes on- but by that time I had become secretary of our rifle club and service rifle target shooting had taken the place of hunting.
I study and enjoy researching military history, and there is a lot of history tied up with our clubs, our firearms and sport.

Unfortunately- all the state, federal laws and regulations, and club regulations and bylaws cannot prevent either the criminal element- or those of truly evil intent from getting thier hands on what they want.
Firearms, explosives, drugs, chemicals, even stolen Australian military anti-tank rocket launchers are still in the hands of criminals out there!

It will not matter one bit how many laws- or buybacks- or prohibitions- you put in place, all that will happen is fewer law abiding citizens will be able to enjoy thier chosen sport, hobby or past time.

This latest killing in the USA has focused on the firearms- fair enough too, but this fella was known to have some pretty strange ideas, messed with drugs, (and was drugged up at the time of the killings) was stockpiling military mortar bombs and explosives-as well as making his own.
This sort of thing just cannot be done without someone noticing, yet no-one thought to put 2 and 2 together?
Instead of picking up his stash of weapons and teargas- he could so easily have ripped the whole cinema complex apart with a rucksac of the explosives he left behind.
Remember Bali- that was only a small backpack, estimated to be less than 20kg of home made explosives. Believe me- military grade stuff is way more potent.

I correspond with several sports shooters in the USA, (and many other countries), the widely held view is that firearms are not the primary problem- it is drugs, where you find the illegal drugs- you will find criminals protecting and enforcing thier "turf", thier merchandise and thier profits.
The drug users will steal and rob to feed thier habits, and when thier minds are truly messed up there is no predicting what the result will be.

There will be no effective solution to these incidents until some way of stopping criminals and thier contraband market is found, and a decent system of mental health support is put in place (apart from just pumping the sufferers full of even more pills for a doubtfull outcome).

Now- gimmy 5 minutes to climb into my flame proof overalls.......

Stephen

The people are deperate because of the lack of education for the lower classes and health care for the poor so they dont have to knock over a 7-11 to get enough cash for medication, or they are drugged out with no hope and that harks back to education access as well.

Ignorant comment really, anyone in the US can walk into any hospital and get care for free if you are unable to pay.
You are also guaranteed an education up to grade 12 (about 17 or 18 years)
How you apply yourself is your deal, they force people to stay in school and waste billions on trying to coerce minorities and poor white trash to stay in school.
Also there are endless government programs and private aid and scholarships for college.
Most states even award scholarships to illegal aliens.
America is actually a great country to be poor, the free aid is endless, housing, medical, food, some programs will even allow you to buy alcohol with government handouts. In the US half the population pays zero taxes.

Beaglebuddy said...

As a Yank with a safe full of assault rifles I feel qualified to respond.
Firstly, the USA is an absurdly large and diverse country. We are probably as populated as all of western Europe and Scandinavia.
Most of the gun murders involve negros and illegal alien Mexicans killing each other over the right to stand on a particular street corner and sell drugs in neighborhoods nobody I know would ever visit. So I don't really care if they kill each other, it's a benefit to society when they die.
We are a different society, we had to fight for our freedom so we are wary of over reaching governments. An American president said, "A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...."
Or, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
What works for you blokes would probably not be workable for us. Different techniques for different situations.

Why do you need assault rifles for anyway? Are you getting assaulted?
You said you wouldnt go to the places where the drug dealers hang out, so you are not in danger?
Why wouldnt our system work over there, too much paperwork?
Do you think that you will need to arm yourself against your own government?
These may sound like dumb questions but I dont understand why you need such powerful guns at any time.
We used to have a .22 rifle as I have already said and we only used it for bunnys foxes and target shooting, not for any other reason and Im not against guns in any way but people kill people and its easier with a gun

The loon that did the shooting actually violated many laws already on the books, he never should have been allowed to buy guns, they need to try and enforce the laws already on the books before they add more unenforceable laws.
The US has broken down into two separate factions, leftists who live in the major population centers and make use of all the government programs and right wingers who live in rural areas, love their guns and want to be left alone and not taxed so much.

SandS said...

I understand that the second amendment was passed a very long time ago , when the guns available were something like a single shot blunderbuss .

Maybe they do need to revisit that law , to bring it up to date with the weapons of today?

No semi auto guns like us would be a good start!

Beaglebuddy said...

The loon that did the shooting actually violated many laws already on the books, he never should have been allowed to buy guns, they need to try and enforce the laws already on the books before they add more unenforceable laws.

Sigh. We said that in 1996 when essentially they took guns off farmers and all the unregistered semiauto centrefires were not handed in.

Hows this for an idea, let everyone have guns, but make the ammo very very hard to get hold of as well as the equipment required to reload ammo.

A gun without bullets is just a metal stick.

I don't think that BB will come at that one Doggie

Many Aussies do not realise that here in Australia, we too had a Militia up until recently.

For many years, our National Rifle Association of Australia trained and equipped regular Aussie citizens with the current military rifle- the .303 lee enfield, and later the civilian versions of the M16 and SLR- and many other military rifles (depending on state regulations)
Ammuntion was either free issue, or heavily subsidised. Same for some of the rifles.
At one of the Swanbourne range clubhouses, there are still posters on the walls dating from the 1920's and 30's promoting competitions for rifle club members- using Lewis light machine guns!
Our military is traditionally very well trained- but normally well understrength.
During WW1, WW2, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam- our military was able to call up for service the many thousands of NRAA volunteers who were already well trained in musketry.
The older rifle club members, and those with exempt occupations served well as instructors and in the Volunteer Defence Corp.(our dads army)
When I joined our NRAA affiliated rifle club in the 1990's (and still belong to) I had to take an oath that was practically identical to that of our defence forces- and sign on the Rifle Association membership form to that effect.
I hardly expected to be "called up" as times have changed a lot- but it is a proud part of Australian history that I had no objection to.
Sadly- over 100 years of proud tradition was kicked in the guts by Johnny Howard- after promising that our valuable rifle clubs would not be affected by his new firearms laws, he repealed the defence act provisions that covered our association.

The rifle "buybacks" back then didnt affect the Western Australian members much- our state laws and regulations had effectively made modern military rifles out of reach for the legal W.A. shooter.
Our W.A. clubs were forced to continue to compete with elderly military bold action rifles and single shot target rifles, while for years the other states had been able to use the modern rifles we were unable to have.
All the "buybacks" did was upset the legit. shooters- causing a stampede of new membership to the various clubs and associations.
There are many thousands more legal firearms and firearm owners now than there were before the "buybacks"
God only knows how many unlicensed firearms are out there, but U.N. estimates run as high as 4 times the licenced number..

stephen

doggie said...

Hows this for an idea, let everyone have guns, but make the ammo very very hard to get hold of as well as the equipment required to reload ammo.

A gun without bullets is just a metal stick.

They can't even keep drugs out of the prisons much less the country, how hard would it be to smuggle bullets?

Mark , I recon you are pretty well spot on with your comments .

The , "no consequences" is a huge problem .