I accidentally shot a .22 into the ground one day when I was about 17. Have no idea why it was loaded and cocked, I must have decided not to take the shot I'd cocked it for, but struth I got a fright when it went off.

A mate of mine from the meatworks was missing a large chunk of his leg which he'd put a round of ratshot into when climbing over a fence or something.

At that same meatworks I was knocking the cattle with the bolt gun which I didn't have anywhere near sufficient training to have my hands on. I nearly shot myself through the chest with it once, and another time when the bolt got jammed out I pushed it back in against a steel guardrail forgetting I'd reloaded it already. When the firing pin hit the primer the bolt went out again, and the whole gun sailed out of my hand and landed in the blood pit. Had it hit anyone in the head it may well have done permanent or fatal damage. Still get the chills thinking about it.

One of the blokes there did accidentally shoot himself through the chest. Missed his heart by a few centimetres. Lived to tell me about it at the pub years later.

he plays footy Log Man, in fact if he expresses interest in a sport or hobby we have a look at it and if he's willing to comply with the rules and expectations of the sport he's got the green light from me, could get a game for the West Coast after last week's effort

OMG don't let him play footy!
If we apply the anti-gun crowd's logic, he will end up a drunken, chauvinist, drug user who rapes 16 y/o girls in hotel rooms and bonks his mate's wife.

Same as all who use guns are psycho killers (or at the very least bit weird)

wade page, the bloke who just shot 6 dead in the sikh temple and is an ex-serviceman, wrote this in response to tightened gun laws in the us. does any of the reasoning sound familiar?

In 2011, Page wrote an e-mail — with a subject line reading, "No registering of long guns" — to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives: "Wake Up!!!! No more restrictions on law abiding gun owners! These restrictions do nothing about the criminals they are meant to affect. Why punish and render defenseless the very people that deserve to be protected while HELPING the offenders with such laws? The only other use for such laws is for government to gain control over the people. This is America, and I AM THE GOVERNMENT, not you! Remember who you work for, and your oath!"

abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-psychiatrist-contacted-university-police-weeks-movie/story?id=16943858

^^ Oh ok, so it wasnt the gun that killed them then.

SP said...

^^^ nup , it was the bullets...

That or racial and religious prejudice and access to firearms, and probably a healthy dose of being ****ed in the head.

Just sad really that more innocent people who thought they were safe in there place of worship have been killed cause they are different.

So bullets kill people, I didnt know that

doggie said...

SP said...

^^^ nup , it was the bullets...

That or racial and religious prejudice and access to firearms, and probably a healthy dose of being ****ed in the head.

Just sad really that more innocent people who thought they were safe in there place of worship have been killed cause they are different.

So bullets kill people, I didnt know that

Yep a gun without bullets is just a club

Yep a gun without bullets is just a club

If someone points a gun at me it is definitly not a club loaded or not.
W

lachlan3556 said...

stamp said...


unfortunately allowing access also puts firearms in the reach of nutbags, and it's simply not worth it. yes it's a shame, yes it's unfair, and yes something is wrong with society, but that's the way it is.

I disagree, if you apply that logic we wouldn't be doing anything like driving cars or motorbikes, bushwalking, selling drugs at a pharmacy, horseriding, drinking alcohol, flying aircraft, swimming, etc.

Why should one group have their rights stripped from them when there are other groups causing far more damage/death that are allowed to continue? The world will never be 100% safe no matter how far into the padded cell we go (wrapping society in cotton wool, you get the drift).

Bushwalking dosnt kill people.

SP said...

lachlan3556 said...

stamp said...


unfortunately allowing access also puts firearms in the reach of nutbags, and it's simply not worth it. yes it's a shame, yes it's unfair, and yes something is wrong with society, but that's the way it is.

I disagree, if you apply that logic we wouldn't be doing anything like driving cars or motorbikes, bushwalking, selling drugs at a pharmacy, horseriding, drinking alcohol, flying aircraft, swimming, etc.
drift).

None of those are guns, they don't even compare to guns, why do gun owners keep doing this, guns are designed to kill something, none of the above are..

They do it so you think that there is nothing wrong with having guns, and there isnt but the comparisons are miles away. If you stall a car, does it kill you? If a gun goes off accidentally can it kill you, yes it can.

But we're looking at the issue from a public safety standpoint (I assume), law abiding gun ownership vs. public safety, car ownership vs. public safety. From this point of view the cars are by far the more dangerous instrument. It doesn't matter what it was originally designed to do, my hunting rifle was never EVER designed to kill people, yet in the wrong hands it could so same as a car.

BTW Bushwalkers get lost/fall and sometimes die (added due to the topic of accidents raised erlier)...

lachlan3556 said...

But we're looking at the issue from a public safety standpoint (I assume), law abiding gun ownership vs. public safety, car ownership vs. public safety. From this point of view the cars are by far the more dangerous instrument. It doesn't matter what it was originally designed to do, my hunting rifle was never EVER designed to kill people, yet in the wrong hands it could so same as a car.

BTW Bushwalkers get lost/fall and sometimes die (added due to the topic of accidents raised erlier)...

are you serious?
You really think that is a valid comparision or argument ?

Cars aren't a weapon , that's why most deaths are accidents, massacres are pre planned attacks.. Most Murders are planned, armed robberies are planned all of those are planned, gun suicides are even planned.
car accidents are not and to that end the deaths per KM driven is tiny. So from a public safety point of view, cars are safe, and millions is spent on enforcing safe driving to make it safer for the community, which is exactly what the gun laws do, makeit safer for the whole community.

Stop drawing other debates into it, it's not crime stats or bushwalking, its about gun control through reducing the numbers of them available, it is the simplest risk reduction strategy there is, make less available.

Sorry but your guns basic purpose is to be effective at killing things, a cars purpose is to provide transport...

log man said...

lachlan3556 said...

But we're looking at the issue from a public safety standpoint (I assume), law abiding gun ownership vs. public safety, car ownership vs. public safety. From this point of view the cars are by far the more dangerous instrument. It doesn't matter what it was originally designed to do, my hunting rifle was never EVER designed to kill people, yet in the wrong hands it could so same as a car.

BTW Bushwalkers get lost/fall and sometimes die (added due to the topic of accidents raised erlier)...

Lachlan! stop it with the fricken asteroids kill more people per head of population in states where guns are compulsory on the second tuesday of the month.....arguments.

I wonder how many bushwalkers get killed by asteroids??????

Btw, we are talking about the idiots in the US not the idiots in Australia.

Banning stuff has worked really well with alcohol, drugs and kitesurfing hey!