The new Windsurfer LT Reviewed in detail

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jirvin4505
jirvin4505
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26 Dec 2018 12:40pm
Much improved sail rigging today

followed the advice - rigging by numbers was really usefull

my mate richard - Wally sailor from day 1 - helped with what to look for



Lkae cootharaba gentle winds winds are calling

cheers Jeff
albymongrel
albymongrel
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26 Dec 2018 9:10pm
jirvin4505 said..
Much improved sail rigging today

followed the advice - rigging by numbers was really usefull

my mate richard - Wally sailor from day 1 - helped with what to look for



Lkae cootharaba gentle winds winds are calling

cheers Jeff


Looking much better!
Chris 249
Chris 249
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3576 posts
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26 Dec 2018 9:45pm
jirvin4505 said..
Much improved sail rigging today

followed the advice - rigging by numbers was really usefull

my mate richard - Wally sailor from day 1 - helped with what to look for



Lkae cootharaba gentle winds winds are calling

cheers Jeff


Looks to be in the ballpark.
jirvin4505
jirvin4505
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27 Dec 2018 6:12am
Wahoo...I'm a full Monty Wally sailor Out on the official board and sail

Thanks for the rigging tips ...

Had a late afternoon session, OMG got to get use to the on and off nature of the sail

Im probably lazy as I usually rig big with cams and this helps me with my 'gumby' balance issues (old and fat)

usually I can use the sail as a prop. Found I had to be real careful to keep the sail full and engaged if I wanted to remain stable. Handling the whack as the sail fills on rotation after a gybe had me in the water a few times I have been using a cam sail previously and was enjoying my gybe progress on the LT, found the Wally sail very humbling = lots to learn

More practice today =Lake Cootharaba is calling

cheers Jeff
ps had similar board speed to my wife on a starboard Rio long tail (3+ metres x 85cm) using superfreak 5.5 Dacron sail
-LT was much better on the upwind

Hardcarve1
Hardcarve1
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27 Dec 2018 7:52am
jirvin4505 said..
Wahoo...I'm a full Monty Wally sailor Out on the official board and sail

Thanks for the rigging tips ...

Had a late afternoon session, OMG got to get use to the on and off nature of the sail

Im probably lazy as I usually rig big with cams and this helps me with my 'gumby' balance issues (old and fat)

usually I can use the sail as a prop. Found I had to be real careful to keep the sail full and engaged if I wanted to remain stable. Handling the whack as the sail fills on rotation after a gybe had me in the water a few times I have been using a cam sail previously and was enjoying my gybe progress on the LT, found the Wally sail very humbling = lots to learn

More practice today =Lake Cootharaba is calling

cheers Jeff
ps had similar board speed to my wife on a starboard Rio long tail (3+ metres x 85cm) using superfreak 5.5 Dacron sail
-LT was much better on the upwind



I sail in an area that gets a bit of chop and even in light winds you bob around a bit and yesterday I had those conditions. What I found works for me is to have a flatter sail to take away the sail flogging in real light conditions and it also allows you to pump the sail with short sharp movements, remember I'm trying to sail in choppy water with little wind rather than flat water but maybe the flatter sail may be better to get used to a non battened sail.
Not saying this is a setup to give you great board speed but just makes the rig a little more responsive to your sheeting inputs. I also try to do a little freestyle and this setup works good as well.

It would be great if some of the more experienced riders could recommend their setup as well.
Cheers Alex









Gestalt
Gestalt
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27 Dec 2018 6:42pm
i rig mine pretty loose and only tighten the outhaul in over 12 knots. downhaul is pretty much set and forget.
bear in mind its a race sail. ie. sailing high upwind and sailing dead downwind. you just can't really get the drive with out some shape.
for general blasting just do whatever feels best.

had a good session this arvo. my sons first session with a harness on his WOD while i was on the LT. the next 5 days are 10-15 knots easterly. can't wait. that's awesome for the longboards.
Chris 249
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27 Dec 2018 8:28pm


Hardcarve1 said..




It would be great if some of the more experienced riders could recommend their setup as well.
Cheers Alex










If I'm reading it right (ie I'm going off a boom I don't normally use) my standard outhaul setting has the very last bit of the leach (ie the edge of the cloth not the eyelet) at 217cm. The downhaul is normally rigged to allow horizontal wrinkles as Al said.

This combination gives you a nice draft-aft shape with good depth for power and a tight leach for pointing and wins national titles. I tend to only tighten it about 10mm on the outhaul until the wind is really overpowering, but will use heaps more downhaul in 15+ knots. I think that most of the other top medium/heavy guys use pretty similar settings.

Some of the lightweights carry flatter sails but many of the top lights would be similar to the above measurements if I have them right -I'll check mine when I'm down the coast for sailing the next few days. Some fast medium/heavy guys carry even less outhaul at times, but I don't think they have the same sort of all-round speed and I don't think they've won a recent nats overall or in division.

I used the two piece masts at the Italian nationals a couple of years ago and with very little practise was running second the entire series until there was a problem with the board in the last race, so I think the settings are still pretty good.

It's great that you're enjoying the board, Alex, but that sail is very, very flat. Some people use a much deeper sail than I do, but unless it's 15 knots+ or they are under 65kg, I don't think that anyone fast uses a really flat sail like that.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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27 Dec 2018 8:19pm
it's also worth mentioning outhaul before downhaul.
rod01
rod01
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28 Dec 2018 1:17pm
Hi.
I just got my LT. Has anyone noticed the centerboard pivot riding up the curved track when you try to deploy it? I'm thinking it's because it's quite stiff to push through the gasket.
By the look of my sail tape patch at the front of the gasket, I think the centerboard has pushed it up a few times, which would happen if the pivot point rides up the curved track and moves forward.

Maybe i'm using the wrong technique to deploy it......I step on the blade cover, then step a couple more times further forward while pushing up with my front foot under the knob.

cheers
Gestalt
Gestalt
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30 Dec 2018 6:19am
i had a look at mine yesterday when rigging and don't have this issue. i had a very tight fin on mine though which loosened up after the first 2-3 sessions. give your centreboard a few sessions to see if it loosens a little and if not spray the inside of the centreboard case/flaps with silicon spray.

gotta love the LT. i've sailed every day so far and plan to continue for the entire holiday period.
rod01
rod01
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30 Dec 2018 8:50am
Thanks. Yeah, I've only had a couple sessions so will see if it frees up. I also noticed my gasket is the overlapping type...thought I read somewhere about trimming it or replacing it.
i also figured out if I step on the flat part of the centerboard just behind the knob as soon as it's down enough to help with rotation, that keeps the centerboard down in the track.

yeah, I am loving the board as well. I just got a 6.5 hotsails summerfreak which is like an old time triangle sail and works really wel, with the LT.

BTW, tried to email windgenuity about buying the school. Enter board and deck cover, but they are not responding. Is it better to phone those guys?
windsufering
windsufering
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30 Dec 2018 12:11pm
rod01 said..
Thanks. Yeah, I've only had a couple sessions so will see if it frees up. I also noticed my gasket is the overlapping type...thought I read somewhere about trimming it or replacing it.
i also figured out if I step on the flat part of the centerboard just behind the knob as soon as it's down enough to help with rotation, that keeps the centerboard down in the track.

yeah, I am loving the board as well. I just got a 6.5 hotsails summerfreak which is like an old time triangle sail and works really wel, with the LT.

BTW, tried to email windgenuity about buying the school. Enter board and deck cover, but they are not responding. Is it better to phone those guys?


It's Christmas
rod01
rod01
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3 Jan 2019 12:11pm
Yeah, wasn't thing about that. I have heard from Greg.

Another question. The board is proving to have a great wind range. So much so that for just baffing around, I'm thinking I'd like to add footstraps, ( even though the deck grip is ecellent ).
Has anyone thought about where straps might go? From sailing so far fully planing, it seems like a center rear strap might sit pretty much half way between the fin bolt and the back of the centerboard cover, maybe a little further forward.
Related to that, is there anything about its construction that would not suit standard footstraps plugs?

regards, rod
Gestalt
Gestalt
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10 Jan 2019 5:42pm
today we used the lt to tow an inflatable pineapple loaded up with family members.

i can confirm the LT is also excellent at towing inflatable pineapples.
Chris 249
Chris 249
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11 Jan 2019 12:09pm
/\From now on, we'll make towing a pineapple compulsory for all Queenslanders. That'll slow down Dennis and Josh (assuming Josh will make a late entry - where is he?)
Gestalt
Gestalt
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11 Jan 2019 8:33pm
Chris 249 said..
/\From now on, we'll make towing a pineapple compulsory for all Queenslanders. That'll slow down Dennis and Josh (assuming Josh will make a late entry - where is he?)


haha.....

i haven't seen dennis since windfest a few years back and josh has fallen off the radar.

josh is a classic, he only windsurfs once a year and thats at the nationals where he wins. one thing those guys don't do is train. lol.
normster
normster
NSW
350 posts
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12 Jan 2019 4:40pm
Is there a video around showing how to trim centre board gasket ?

im still having issues with stiff centreboard after new strips and lubricant

not sure what to do next
Imax1
Imax1
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12 Jan 2019 4:02pm
I'm presuming you have the overlapping gasket and you want a butting up gasket ?
If so I'll put in my two cents worth.
tools needed , straight edge , pen , super sharp Stanley knife.
lay straight edge central over CB slot .
Mark line with pen. Should only be drawing on top gasket ?
remove top gasket and cut along line .
Reinstall top gasket .
Run pen along newly cut top gasket and it will mark perfectly where to cut bottom gasket .
Remove bottom gasket and cut to the outside of the line.
It should butt up perfectly even if your first cut is a little wonky.
normster
normster
NSW
350 posts
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12 Jan 2019 9:41pm
Thanks - but these are rpalcement strips that have already been trimmed.

ive trimmed them a little bit more to make sure - but there's was no overlap

ill see how. It goes tomorrow

also, if you move the centreboard padding forward - do you have to seal the old unused holes
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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13 Jan 2019 12:05am
"also, if you move the centreboard padding forward - do you have to seal the old unused holes"

No
Spotty
Spotty
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1619 posts
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15 Jan 2019 4:55pm
First time on the LT pushing it through some ocean classic sea going trials

Lancelin, WA, Windsurfer LT One Design, Big swell @ Mainbreak good wave period to send the one design down the line on some bomb set waves. Gybes n bottom turns ok with your weight back, its all hands on deck and move to the stern for the elevator drop off/down from the lip.

Fastest speeds were on the inside speed strip with a 25knots on the GPS dial.
2sec : 24.852
5x10sec : 23.06 knots
Alpha 500 : 15.8 knots
Nm : 15.6 knots

Good board, planes nicely all the way thru the gybes and cruises around 18knots.





Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14956 posts
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15 Jan 2019 7:05pm
Spotty said..
First time on the LT pushing it through some ocean classic sea going trials

Lancelin, WA, Windsurfer LT One Design, Big swell @ Mainbreak good wave period to send the one design down the line on some bomb set waves. Gybes n bottom turns ok with your weight back, its all hands on deck and move to the stern for the elevator drop off/down from the lip.

Fastest speeds were on the inside speed strip with a 25knots on the GPS dial.
2sec : 24.852
5x10sec : 23.06 knots
Alpha 500 : 15.8 knots
Nm : 15.6 knots

Good board, planes nicely all the way thru the gybes and cruises around 18knots.






epic!

kinda wish you had photos spotty.
Spotty
Spotty
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1619 posts
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15 Jan 2019 11:56pm
Gestalt said..

Spotty said..
First time on the LT pushing it through some ocean classic sea going trials

Lancelin, WA, Windsurfer LT One Design, Big swell @ Mainbreak good wave period to send the one design down the line on some bomb set waves. Gybes n bottom turns ok with your weight back, its all hands on deck and move to the stern for the elevator drop off/down from the lip.

Fastest speeds were on the inside speed strip with a 25knots on the GPS dial.
2sec : 24.852
5x10sec : 23.06 knots
Alpha 500 : 15.8 knots
Nm : 15.6 knots

Good board, planes nicely all the way thru the gybes and cruises around 18knots.






epic!

kinda wish you had photos spotty.




Footage no good foggy lens.

windsufering
windsufering
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16 Jan 2019 12:55am
Spotty said..


Gestalt said..



Spotty said..
First time on the LT pushing it through some ocean classic sea going trials

Lancelin, WA, Windsurfer LT One Design, Big swell @ Mainbreak good wave period to send the one design down the line on some bomb set waves. Gybes n bottom turns ok with your weight back, its all hands on deck and move to the stern for the elevator drop off/down from the lip.

Fastest speeds were on the inside speed strip with a 25knots on the GPS dial.
2sec : 24.852
5x10sec : 23.06 knots
Alpha 500 : 15.8 knots
Nm : 15.6 knots

Good board, planes nicely all the way thru the gybes and cruises around 18knots.







epic!

kinda wish you had photos spotty.






Footage no good foggy lens.



Any footage is better than no footage
please show more
Spotty
Spotty
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16 Jan 2019 10:49am
Your Windsurfing OneDesign Wally LT Wish aa been answered my mate Gooley 65kg with camera went out first and got a few but was a bit sketchy on the bigger ones trying to keep the nose up and needed a few extra crew or kegs at the stern to keep the bow up. I went out after and he filmed us from his wave kit.

Had a blast, there was a sealion out there too checking out the orange triangle.

Spotty
Spotty
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16 Jan 2019 11:09am
But wait thers more....
Here is me doing the inside section in front of Werners raking that orange triangle hanky back on to the deck to close the massive gap .
Wind not that strong and was not going as deep as I wanted for top speed, need more wind for that.
You can make out a whistling noise as the LT cracks inears the 25knot barrier and the water penetrates the centreboard flaps. This footage is of a slower run around 22 I reckon. Bit of silver plumbers tape for outright record may be required, then again in flatter conditions the flap may not be a concern with weight way back on the tail. Can just see the debate over flap assisted record and non flap assisted record unfolding for the purists .

I'm sure there is a few more top speeds to be had. ...should go faster

Chris 249
Chris 249
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16 Jan 2019 11:16am
Tell Gooley to get over here to NSW quickly - he's a great guy but we want our revenge at the nationals! :-)
Spotty
Spotty
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16 Jan 2019 11:40am
Chris 249 said..
Tell Gooley to get over here to NSW quickly - he's a great guy but we want our revenge at the nationals! :-)




You will have to wait till Adelaide as he works thru a 2yr training campaign for it, ...were working thru downwind speed module at the moment .
Heavy wave n swell module module is always running cause you just never know and need to be prepared
Chris 249
Chris 249
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16 Jan 2019 12:08pm
Ah yes, he told me he was getting back into One Designs on a two-year campaign; so am I since the last two nationals I did were last-minute efforts with minimal training.

Great vids! I've got my top speeds on a One Design written down somewhere; I think it was 22.5 for 10 secs and 25.4 peak, in very big winds and big chop. The LT feels like it's in another regime most of the time downwind in planing conditions.
Gestalt
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16 Jan 2019 9:10pm
thanks spotty.
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