windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn

At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/

you have spent a lot of time and effort bagging something across multiple threads that you have never used. gotta love the internet.

cammd said..

Gestalt said..
Cam have you sailed an LT yet.

No I haven't and quite honestly that rig is a big turn off for me but I am a heavyweight and I just can't see that 5.7mtr sail ever delivering enough power while maintaining a stable shape on a race course.

Um the heavy weights had a lot of entrants at the nationals ,

I love the LT, it is great. It should be an Olympic class - if it doesn't make it in the Olympic bid, then I don't really care because the LT will continue to be bigger than the RSX which board has really been a disaster for the sport in Australia at least. The Mistral One Design should never have been dropped. The LT rig is a tractor, set it full and it powers you- it actually is a great sail reminds me of the Neil Pryde Stratos. The simplicity is great one sail, board and rig for all races and conditions 0-30 knots plus. The LT board is just marvellous with the ability to rail upwind and it is great off the wind and reaching particularly riding the small wave chop on the Swan River. I am a heavyweight at 98kg but my goal is to lose 10 kg in the next year...that is a good thing. We have champions of yesteryear returning to the sport in droves here in WA. Greg Johns and Bruce Wylie should be congratulated for their efforts. Young sailors are also joining the fleets here in Perth seeing this as the natural progression after competing in top dinghy classes. Thanks for this board and the round the buoys course racing experience it is bringing back to all of us. There is nothing better.

windsufering said..

azuli said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn

At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/

You do realise the cost factor of all these updates...

Actually, just comparing the published retail prices of Windsurfer LT rig with Bic Techno rig pack and they are about the same...

Windsurfer LT Rig Pack (6.0 Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul): $1481

Bic Techno Rig Pack (Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul):
Bic Techno 6.8 Rig Pack $1549
Bic Techno 7.8 Rig Pack $1449
Bic Techno 8.5 Rig Pack $1699

azuli said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn

At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/

Define "modern". The laser is the worlds most popular and top selling dinghy in 2019 apart perhaps from the sprit rigged opti. If you judge things on what actually works in the modern age the laser rig is very modern

the laser class has said that it is NOT replacing the current rigs, thank god. How would that go? If I buy a new rig and no one else at my club does I have no one to play with. If three or four of us get new rigs then the kids and people who can't afford them are stuffed either way our club fleet is stuffed. And why? So we can finish one minute earlier? Who cares!!

Look at the most modern dinghy there is - the moth. Amazing boats but only 34 at the nationals. Fleet numbers are stagnant and the class report only one junior sailor in the whole country.

We can either go with gear that works in terms of getting people afloat or with gear that doesn't. It seems an easy choice

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon

Would Olympic sailors be encouraged to wear fancy dress for the freestyle? The wally culture is very unique, seems very relaxed , with an emphasis on fun events and a good social scene. Olympic sailing is the polar opposite. Its all high stakes, super serious, massive pressure to perform type environment where fun and socialising are the least important things. Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.

cammd said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon

Would Olympic sailors be encouraged to wear fancy dress for the freestyle? The wally culture is very unique, seems very relaxed , with an emphasis on fun events and a good social scene. Olympic sailing is the polar opposite. Its all high stakes, super serious, massive pressure to perform type environment where fun and socialising are the least important things. Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.

LOL you been sillly now. To imply that Wally sailors don't take their Racing Serious,
Please give your self a upper cut !

^^^ +1 Mr Sailquik !! Its the fun side that will make windsurfing popular again.

I want one
how are the fleet sizes looking and where are the next nationals????

azuli said..

windsufering said..

azuli said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????

They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn

At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/

You do realise the cost factor of all these updates...

Actually, just comparing the published retail prices of Windsurfer LT rig with Bic Techno rig pack and they are about the same...

Windsurfer LT Rig Pack (6.0 Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul): $1481

Bic Techno Rig Pack (Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul):
Bic Techno 6.8 Rig Pack $1549
Bic Techno 7.8 Rig Pack $1449
Bic Techno 8.5 Rig Pack $1699

Um who is selling the bic techno rigs at that price ?
BTW in melb, we are getting alot of inquires from laser sailors because the threat of the class becoming a elite
class, they want to sell while they still can

sailquik said..
And another thing!
ENOUGH with this Ballsheete about 0-30 knots!!
( you don't race in 30 knots )

I probably sail in 30 knots winds more than 99% of the windsurfers in Australia, and there is NO WAY, I would be hanging on to a Wally sail in a TRUE 30 knots! Get real!
( you don't sail a Wally and that's your choice)

Maybe, the big heavy guys can survive a very brief 30 knot bullet gust when the average wind strength is closer to 20 Knots, but that is a very different matter, and very misleading.
( they do )

If I was at any race board regatta where it was solidly over 25 knots, I would be sitting on the beach watching the macho masochism and carnage of those silly enough to try to race. (And this is exactly what I have done in the past at raceboard regattas many years ago).
( that's nice to know , the Wally fleet is larger than the RB fleet too )

But I agree completely, that the WSOD rig is great in lighter winds,

sailquik said..
And another thing!
ENOUGH with this Ballsheete about 0-30 knots!!

windsufering said..you don't race in 30 knots

FFS! I just said that!!

But to be charitable, possibly you ment to say - 'The fleet does not race in 30Kts." Well, OF COURSE NOT! (Back of hand to forehead)

sailquik said.. I probably sail in 30 knots winds more than 99% of the windsurfers in Australia, and there is NO WAY, I would be hanging on to a Wally sail in a TRUE 30 knots! Get real!

windsufering said.. you don't sail a Wally and that's your choice.

FFS! What has that got to do with anything? Neither would any sane person in a TRUE 30 Knots! That was my point! (Roll eyes)

sailquik said.. Maybe, the big heavy guys can survive a very brief 30 knot bullet gust when the average wind strength is closer to 20 Knots, but that is a very different matter, and very misleading .

windsufering said..they do

Whoopeedoooo!

sailquik said.. If I was at any race board regatta where it was solidly over 25 knots, I would be sitting on the beach watching the macho masochism and carnage of those silly enough to try to race. (And this is exactly what I have done in the past at raceboard regattas many years ago).

windsufering said..that's nice to know , the Wally fleet is larger than the RB fleet too

And why is that 'nice to know' smartypants? is this a 'mine is bigger than yours' competition?
I dont sail raceboards anymore either. Did you get the bit where I said I am getting interested in sailing Wallys again?

Very 'welcoming and encouraging' statements from someone who is abviously a Wally Fanboy. Thanks for your interest.

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But, again, I agree completely, that the WSOD rig is great in lighter winds,

kato said..
I use a Wally in light winds and for strong winds I get sensible and go GPS racing with proper gear. Each to their own

I like your style , always been into small boards But recently enjoy a RB with a devious smile.
Ive gone an additional step , I'm starting to get into the F word . .........foiling .......... ( is that the coy look )
Im into new experiences and I also want to get into small surf , I'm in big swell every day so maybee I'm half way ?
Gotta be better than digging stump holes .
What ever happens , don't let me try the K word. I'm a smiling kind of guy and I don't want that removed . Im too old to work for airport security.

If it doesn't have a foil under it,,,,,, why bother as it will not be fast enough for the Olympics . They are trying to modernize the games to get more interest/viewers, so they wont be interested in the older, slow, yawn, done before style of poledancing, that no one ever watched, but the faster more modern style that people may find interesting to watch,,,,,, FOILS.

I mean, be honest, would you rather watch windsufering racing in 10 knot with them hardly moving pumping their sails to try move faster than Eric the eel , or a fast race of foilers battling it out neck and neck around a course, in the same wind ???? Well derrrrrr, simples.