Is windsurfing popularity still declining?

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lebaz
lebaz
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12 Sep 2011 12:24pm
the spot in sydney for westerlies is Kurnell.

By the way, if you have an old wetsuit, the UNSW windsurfing club will be happy to get it. In that way, you can contribute to have more people coming into the sport. Our aim is to provide a cheap way to discover windsurfing to student, so that they keep doing it after their studies.

Let me know if you have one of these wetsuits lying around...

Cheers
olivier
KenHo
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12 Sep 2011 2:13pm
ma said...

I dont live in a windy place [Newcaslte] I have one waveboard and 3 sails and sail more or less 2-3 days a week in summer. Sailed the first seabreeze of the season last week and it was more fun windsurfing than all of the surfing I had been doing all winter.




Dunno about that, Newy gets a lot of wind. Year before last the busters came through there every week in autumn, and fizzled way before they got to the GC.
Sounds like you get plenty of sailing done

ma
ma
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ma ma
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12 Sep 2011 7:32pm
I guess thats my point, you dont need lots of gear and you dont have to live in the windiest place in the world for windsurfing to be a good sport.
albers
albers
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12 Sep 2011 9:27pm
Mrgob said...

Methinks you protest too much (and too frequently) Mr Barn!

Where, in your philosophy of life, does forging a career, raising a family, and taking part in all the other wonders and diversions of our time on earth fit in?

Has it not occured to you that the majority of people do not treat windsurfing, fascinating and compelling as it undoubtedly is, as their sole reason for living?

You come across mainly as trying to convince yourself that you are right, and the rest of the world needs to learn from you.


Don't be too hard on Barn. I believe his old man dragged him to the sport, and he ends up being one of the best freestylers in Oz - he can farka, and sharka and vulcano all the best moves, and he achieved this in a very short period of time (due to sailing regularly in windy locations).

Most of us take many more years to get nowhere near the level he has reached. But that is why we persist at it! I've been sailing for around 25 years and enjoy it more than ever. I know it's not windy regularly but make the most of whatever session I can get.

I want to windsurf until I die!




flipper4444
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13 Sep 2011 12:38am
Mrgob
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13 Sep 2011 1:00am
Appreciate your explanation albers. It's not my intention to be down on any windsurfer. We all do it at our own levels, and for our own reasons. We do what suits our personalities, and one mans meat is anothers poison.

As a long term enthusiast myself (till the final curtain, as they say) I do worry that the continual raising of the standard and the specialization of gear, which the magazines, manufacturers, and adverts are 'pushing' at us all, distorts the picture, and deters 'ordinary' people from taking up windsurfing. The sport is now portrayed as too elitist! Ordinary people no longer see it as applicable to them.

That's why I'm happy to see signs of renewed interest in long boards. (Exocet new models, and Starboard too.) I really do have fun on my Kona, in the same way as I used to in the 80's on the older longboards. We used to have a competitive club racing scene with scores of people entering races, and a social afterwards. It didn't matter what the wind did, gale or near calm, we were all on the water. The rush exclusively to short boarding killed that stone dead. It became a high wind only sport for too many years, and only now is the balance starting to be brought back.

Of course there needs be high end 'super' gear for the relatively few who can get the best from it, and surf Jaws or where ever, but continually pushing that kind of image won't bring 'normal' folk into the sport. Neither will experts sneering at the notion of 'poodling about on longboards'!

It's significant that the only time strangers come up to talk, and ask about the sport, is on light wind days as I'm derigging the Kona on the prom. They will probably have watched me having fun out on the water, while they've just been mooning around on the beach, and you can see that they are thinking, I could be doing that! I'ts never the same response on a high wind surf day on derrigging the waveboard. Rather you than me, is the norm!

One of the scenes is reality to average folk, the other they see as make believe! There is still an untapped market out there, and if the sport is to survive it really must cater more for 'average' people.
pierrec45
pierrec45
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13 Sep 2011 4:08am
The idea that only the picture of a top PWA guy jumping waves can attract new blood is crap. Admittedly it is sometimes the case that local "pros" appear to be turned on by magazine images and high-tech gear. I.e. those who have sailed for a number of years and perhaps have learned a few things, but without getting competitive ever.

All of my students are happy to get going first. They all understand that it'll take time, that they may or may not become pros. I redirect the brats (I want it and I want it now) towards kiting. This way we all win.
DrJ
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13 Sep 2011 8:21am
.... And Jesus wept.
Dart
Dart
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13 Sep 2011 10:11am
albers said...

DrJ said...

Haircut said...




Priceless


Hairless




No not hairless, just a good haircut
qldnacra
qldnacra
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13 Sep 2011 10:50am
Haircut said...




Some that sport this haircut have been known to describe it as a solar panel for a love machine.
barn
barn
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13 Sep 2011 9:14am
Mrgob said...

Methinks you protest too much (and too frequently) Mr Barn!

Where, in your philosophy of life, does forging a career, raising a family, and taking part in all the other wonders and diversions of our time on earth fit in?


How many kids picking up a new sport care about this? Hardly anybody cares about this **** until biological clocks start ticking over..

Has it not occured to you that the majority of people do not treat windsurfing, fascinating and compelling as it undoubtedly is, as their sole reason for living?


No it's never occurred to me, as I haven't already mentioned it's a silly, unpractical sport with limited opportunities due to wind? How could it be the sole reason for living if you sail once a week?..

You come across mainly as trying to convince yourself that you are right, and the rest of the world needs to learn from you.


Thanks for the tip, but it's pretty clear I am right as windsurfing is still not popular, and has crashed in participation levels. Nobody else has a rational explanation, (cost and elitist equipment is a total rubbish excuse)..

Seabreeze said.. Why don't more people windsurf, it's the what happened?


barn said... Because it's a silly sport.


Seabreeze said.. JUDAS!!!!


evlPanda
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13 Sep 2011 1:28pm



barn said...

Mrgob said...

Methinks you protest too much (and too frequently) Mr Barn!

Where, in your philosophy of life, does forging a career, raising a family, and taking part in all the other wonders and diversions of our time on earth fit in?


How many kids picking up a new sport care about this? Hardly anybody cares about this **** until biological clocks start ticking over..




...and then they think "What the **** did I do that for? I should have been a playboy. I could be retired by now. And when greenleader asks me if I want to come to Maui with them I could just answer 'yes'."

... ah I kid, mostly.

PS last session at Shearwater saw the windsurfers outnumber the kites maybe 4:1
razzmatazz
razzmatazz
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13 Sep 2011 6:13pm
greenleader said...

Intermission.

http://trololololololololololo.com/



Just a bit long greenleader and a bit of shameless selfpromotion.
Judging by the hairdoo there hasn't been any wind for a long time or maybe that's we he resorted to make some himself. Anyhow, very worthy contribution.

And I've got a new theory. We are selfcombusting because even amongst windsurfers it seems impossible to go by without a dig, insult, belitteling and other forms of abuse just discussing things. WEIRD
Mrgob
Mrgob
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13 Sep 2011 5:42pm
I began surfing in the late 1960's Barn,( just an average Joe), when dropping out and sticking two fingers to conventional society was all the rage. They thought they were really 'living the lifestyle', including illegal substances. In your language, they didn't give a f..k!

Some of us managed to fit in surfing with a responsible career and lifestyle and, you know what, some of us are STILL surfing but, funny thing is, not ONE of the drop outs is anywhere to be seen! I wonder why?( I have heard from others about how a couple are now living, and it wasn't pretty.)

I won't add further to the topic because I think you, single handidly, have demonstrated what has gone wrong with OUR sport. I only hope no 'kids' who would like to take up windsurfing, as well as working towards a responsible career, listen to you!
barn
barn
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13 Sep 2011 6:42pm
Mrgob said...


I won't add further to the topic because I think you, single handidly, have demonstrated what has gone wrong with OUR sport. I only hope no 'kids' who would like to take up windsurfing, as well as working towards a responsible career, listen to you!


"JUDAS!!!"

Actually the second point is not far off, I know a few people I have helped (not single-handedly) get into the watersports industry, which is a backwards step towards any 'responsible' career..
lotofwind
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13 Sep 2011 9:48pm
Wind was cracking all arvo........not a poledancer in sight
I guess they were all on here pushing the topic to 15 yawn pages.

And again Barn,,,,I have red thumb jealousy of you.
At least you are getting them from your peers though,,I guess.
KenHo
KenHo
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13 Sep 2011 11:17pm
I had a good sail today, on elitist, planing gear, and while I was packing up, I was pondering the idea that that kind of gear was the "downfall" of the sport.

I came to the conclusion that it is a rubbish notion, as all the supporters of long-boarding in this thread have convincing shown that long-boarding gear is available and affordable.
But no-one cares. Really. No-one cares. You could deliver a brand new Kona One, or Wally to every home in Australia, and no-one would use them. It's yesterdays yo-yo.
Further, am I supposed to not buy or use high performance gear, just because a beginner can't use it ?

What is the thrust of those arguments, really ? I can't see the point being made.

fjdoug
fjdoug
ACT
548 posts
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14 Sep 2011 12:01am
no, your gear is not the downfall of the sport.
the problem is/was 12-15 years ago, you could not walk into a shop and buy equiptment suitable for families/beginners.
now there are not as many people windsurfing as there once was.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
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14 Sep 2011 8:18am
KenHo said...

I had a good sail today, on elitist, planing gear, and while I was packing up, I was pondering the idea that that kind of gear was the "downfall" of the sport.

I came to the conclusion that it is a rubbish notion, as all the supporters of long-boarding in this thread have convincing shown that long-boarding gear is available and affordable.
But no-one cares. Really. No-one cares. You could deliver a brand new Kona One, or Wally to every home in Australia, and no-one would use them. It's yesterdays yo-yo.
Further, am I supposed to not buy or use high performance gear, just because a beginner can't use it ?

What is the thrust of those arguments, really ? I can't see the point being made.

Funny, I re-read most of the thread and few have said longboarding alone is it - what's been said (mostly) is to start on learner equipment and plane later if want to, else plod around and have a good time. Yes you're right, this is the opposite of saying that planing is the only thing. It's also the opposite of claiming that planing is an achievement.

Planing is not elitism: anyone who perseveres at it can do it easily, it's the kiting of windsurfing, 4-out-of-5 at my local spot do it easily, about same at your spot. It's a characteristics of the equipment - plain planing on the right gear is very average sailing, skills-wise. And good on us.

If you really want to achieve something at planing, try racing the RSX gear or Kona (as in Florida last year) in 30 knots winds. Drop all the low-wind races, just pick on the windy ones. This way you can measure your level of elitism against the elite.

Anyways, as Barn points out, those who really want to see extreme stuff look at jumping 30 feet in the air or one-hand forward looping on the flat - certainly not just going back-and-fro.

Back to the topic: newcomers to the sport have to start somewhere - that's why we call them beginners or learners or something. They don't want to buy multiple gear that planing requires to cover a wider range. They want to learn at first.

People are not turned off by longboarding, it's that nobody teaches anymore. This is an undeniable fact. People used to teach friends and others, not anymore (it's still happening at kiting big time). Perhaps planing and other 'elitisms' have taken us away from passing on our passion ?

wave knave
wave knave
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14 Sep 2011 11:21am
i like windsurfing.

started today really powered on a 5.2m and 100l board...
finished the day on a 7m and longboard.. kona 11 5.,
picking up the last few waves in a dying wind.
actually liked the kona session as much as the shortboard.
its all good.
WW100
WW100
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14 Sep 2011 3:48pm
Its funny that in 14 pages no-one has mentioned that sailboarding is a form of sailing, and that the natural market for sailboarding is and always has been sailors.
Gorgo
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14 Sep 2011 3:56pm
^^^^ but of course that is not true. Sailors sail ... boats, of various kinds.

Sailors look down on sailboarders and kiteboarders as children playing with silly toys.
jermaldan
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14 Sep 2011 4:01pm
This is the thread that'll never end,
It keeps going on and on my friend.
Somebody started posting it not knowing what it was,
And now we all just post here and troll just because...

This is the thread that'll never end,
It keeps going on and on my friend.
Somebody started posting it not knowing what it was,
And now we all just post here and troll just because...
WW100
WW100
QLD
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14 Sep 2011 4:17pm
Right....

won't come back here again.
barn
barn
WA
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14 Sep 2011 2:26pm
WilliamWild said...

Right....

won't come back here again.


haha ignore them, you're right that there is a lot of overlap.. I always ask younger windsurfers I meet 'So how did you get into this?' (kinda like a question you would ask a new inmate).. Anyway especially in the UK, unless it's the parents, then it's often a sailing background..

I make no distinction between a longboard and a dinghy..
fjdoug
fjdoug
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14 Sep 2011 8:51pm
wow barn...for a second there i thought we were on the same tack (and i had mast abeam)
GazMan
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14 Sep 2011 10:39pm
Gorgo said...

^^^^ but of course that is not true. Sailors sail ... boats, of various kinds.

Sailors look down on sailboarders and kiteboarders as children playing with silly toys.

Maybe the sailors that you socialise with do!

Whilst de-rigging my hi-tech 'elitist' gear recently near the local yacht club, an older lady walked up to me (guesstimate around 60-65yrs) who apparently had many years experience sailing yachts and expressed considerable interest in learning to windsurf. Also, a number of yacht sailors I know of locally have either windsurfed for some time or are quite keen to learn! Tis a shame no one does lessons locally (south coast WA).
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
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15 Sep 2011 1:58am
WilliamWild said...

Its funny that in 14 pages no-one has mentioned that sailboarding is a form of sailing, and that the natural market for sailboarding is and always has been sailors.

You're not wrong. I'm member of a sailing club (dinghies up to 32-footers), members and rels always show an interest.

My club provides about 1 eager student per year. The one from last year is already OK proficient and interested in freestylin' YOUPEE! Got her first tries at flakas this season, to no avail yet.
puffin
puffin
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15 Sep 2011 2:08am
ma said...

you dont need lots of gear and you dont have to live in the windiest place in the world for windsurfing to be a good sport.


Damn right.
yeehaa
yeehaa
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15 Sep 2011 5:18pm
As a young lad, I had looked at windsurfing but got into kiting. Way cheaper and you can go huge.
I'm not sure if too many youths are going to follow the windsurfing trend with the other options out there these days.......
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