"You have written above: "Blame the 'young lady dressed as an instructor', ...".

They are not my words."

check your second post on page 2.

..... will you need to have the last word???

The facts rsc are PAINFULLY obvious for all but yourself to see it seems. For someone who is new to the sport, you have exploded onto the scene like a bull in a china shop presuming to know more than the multitude of people here who undoubtedly have far more experience than your good self.
Would you walk into a new job as a junior and barge into a management meeting and proceed to tell all and sundry how it is? I think not. Perhaps a wiser course of action would be to tread softly, observe, and be prepared to accept that it will take time for you to gain respect amongst your peers. You would also be well served to take constructive criticism (and there has been plenty of that too before you so utterly alienated yourself) on board.
Perhaps we could all chip in for that mirror....

gordknot said...


"You have written above: "Blame the 'young lady dressed as an instructor', ...".

They are not my words."

check your second post on page 2.

..... will you need to have the last word???

One last squeeze just for you ...

"Just then, at the point of lift, a young lady dressed as an instructor walking by with her student walked/ran up behind me and yelled out over my shoulder that I had "the bar around the wrong way..." (page 2)

Taken entirely out of context -- there is no blame mentioned in the sentence. It is a descriptive statement of fact (as I saw it). That is what happened. Interpretation of the situation is all that has followed. The comment links to the fact that she was in a dress code that identified her as a person working on the beach. Hence being employed. The logic follows from there.

You can interpret it as you wish, and as you have. My statement stands as it is and you have misquoted me in this regard. Please be more careful and truthful.

rsc said...

gordknot said...


"You have written above: "Blame the 'young lady dressed as an instructor', ...".

They are not my words."

check your second post on page 2.

..... will you need to have the last word???

One last squeeze just for you ...

"Just then, at the point of lift, a young lady dressed as an instructor walking by with her student walked/ran up behind me and yelled out over my shoulder that I had "the bar around the wrong way..." (page 2)

Taken entirely out of context -- there is no blame mentioned in the sentence. It is a descriptive statement of fact (as I saw it). That is what happened. Interpretation of the situation is all that has followed. The comment links to the fact that she was in a dress code that identified her as a person working on the beach. Hence being employed. The logic follows from there.

You can interpret it as you wish, and as you have. My statement stands as it is and you have misquoted me in this regard. Please be more careful and truthful.

Did you not say you took 60% of the blame?

Would that not imply that 40% of the blame belongs to the "young lady dressed as an instructor"?

C
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Equipment, check twice launch once.
A
Respect.
Respect your kite
Respect the conditions
Respect other kiters
Respect other beach users.........
waksa ANAGRAM
RSC...Russel, you may be a legal expert, but as any beginner in any sport you are oblivious to mistakes,
whether technical (setting up your kite), motor skill aquisition,
or social norms in any culture. A wise man is always learning, and a fool is always right, many time when pointing a finger in blame, 3 fingers point back.
( a plethora of famous quotes from many famous people).
Am I speaking in your language?

rsc, i was bettin' you couldn't resist....

and hell, after all your relentless determination, i'll give you 60% ol' mate... just keep an eye out for those femme fetales next time you launch

Brandy and dry anyone??

and some people just waste oxygen,another good resource wasted on a peanut with half a brain

gordknot said...

rsc, i was bettin' you couldn't resist....

and hell, after all your relentless determination, i'll give you 60% ol' mate... just keep an eye out for those femme fetales next time you launch

There is nothing gender in this. It is just the way it happened. My launching style and competency is 101% better than when that story was generated.

Move on and focus on the Show Ponies!

Beersy said...

rsc said...

gordknot said...


"You have written above: "Blame the 'young lady dressed as an instructor', ...".

They are not my words."

check your second post on page 2.

..... will you need to have the last word???

One last squeeze just for you ...

"Just then, at the point of lift, a young lady dressed as an instructor walking by with her student walked/ran up behind me and yelled out over my shoulder that I had "the bar around the wrong way..." (page 2)

Taken entirely out of context -- there is no blame mentioned in the sentence. It is a descriptive statement of fact (as I saw it). That is what happened. Interpretation of the situation is all that has followed. The comment links to the fact that she was in a dress code that identified her as a person working on the beach. Hence being employed. The logic follows from there.

You can interpret it as you wish, and as you have. My statement stands as it is and you have misquoted me in this regard. Please be more careful and truthful.

Did you not say you took 60% of the blame?

Would that not imply that 40% of the blame belongs to the "young lady dressed as an instructor"?

I use the words 'responsibility' and 'risk'. Blame is your choice. It is too emotive in my opinion. If you wish to be accurate in quoting/referencing then qualify your statements with what I wrote (e.g. 60%/40%), which btw, I subsequently moved up to 70%/30% when I discussed with others face2face after the event and after the relentless bullying here I suggested 80%/20%. But that is not the point of the exercise. Use a better language -- I'm suggesting risk communications or similar. Find another bone to chew, this one is done to death.

Wow talk about flogging a dead horse, this is really getting very monotonous.

dave...... said...

C
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Equipment, check twice launch once.
A
Respect.
Respect your kite
Respect the conditions
Respect other kiters
Respect other beach users.........
waksa ANAGRAM
RSC...Russel, you may be a legal expert, but as any beginner in any sport you are oblivious to mistakes,
whether technical (setting up your kite), motor skill aquisition,
or social norms in any culture. A wise man is always learning, and a fool is always right, many time when pointing a finger in blame, 3 fingers point back.
( a plethora of famous quotes from many famous people).
Am I speaking in your language?

Russel, Im sorry youve had so replies, but clearly many people who we all know who have had 2000 hours + of kiting are wrong in your opinion. I tell all my students in the days of a 2 line kites, it was'nt a sport for 95% of the population, nowadays, it is suited for 95% of the population, do you want to be in the 5% percentile? dude, we dont want to turn you off the sport, please PM me if you have any issues or questions (or a free lesson as I am certified), as I hate circular arguements. We do understand what your saying advice is taken when asked for, and interfering is a different story, in this sport a good instructor will always interfere in a potentially dangerous situation, regardless wether they are a student or not. Please dont take these comments negatively, but these are as I said based on a lot of history.

Dave i havent seen a kook like that at woodies , yet ill get Pieare to take care of him

Russell

Train wrecks are probably more humane than this waste of net space.




Boy peeps are senstitive to the 'sheeple' term (and eagerly stand in line to hit the red thumbs )

Game over. Reboot..

Time to

dave...... said...

dave...... said...

C
L
Equipment, check twice launch once.
A
Respect.
Respect your kite
Respect the conditions
Respect other kiters
Respect other beach users.........
waksa ANAGRAM
RSC...Russel, you may be a legal expert, but as any beginner in any sport you are oblivious to mistakes,
whether technical (setting up your kite), motor skill aquisition,
or social norms in any culture. A wise man is always learning, and a fool is always right, many time when pointing a finger in blame, 3 fingers point back.
( a plethora of famous quotes from many famous people).
Am I speaking in your language?

Russel, Im sorry youve had so replies, but clearly many people who we all know who have had 2000 hours + of kiting are wrong in your opinion. I tell all my students in the days of a 2 line kites, it was'nt a sport for 95% of the population, nowadays, it is suited for 95% of the population, do you want to be in the 5% percentile? dude, we dont want to turn you off the sport, please PM me if you have any issues or questions (or a free lesson as I am certified), as I hate circular arguements. We do understand what your saying advice is taken when asked for, and interfering is a different story, in this sport a good instructor will always interfere in a potentially dangerous situation, regardless wether they are a student or not. Please dont take these comments negatively, but these are as I said based on a lot of history.

Dave, Thank you for this reply. But I really do not have time to continue the exercise. Your offer is appreciated but not necessary thank you. I have other sources of that service if/when required. But yes, I'm responding for two reasons - (a) I am one of those members of the public that have invested in equipment and training on the basis that it is now ready for the 95%. However, based on what I now see and read and experience I'm not so sure it is that high yet; (b) just to reaffirm my original point and concern which you at least have picked up on: if this interference principle is standard practice then I think you and others in your trade should get serious legal opinions as to where you stand. I see a risk for you in some cases, irrespective of your good intentions and honorable motives. That was/is the 'risk' message from me. If this standard approach is based on qualified legal opinion then please say so and give the source for verification. I'd be happy to follow it up.

As noted by Kitepower Australia (below), for whom I will just make a comment here as well, I hold a different opinion about legal risk than he obviously does. The law is part of the reality and it is no mind game. Ignorance of it, or denial of it is no excuse and if you are misleading people here and elsewhere then there is a culture of irresponsibility in respect to the law that needs to be challenged in my opinion. I have done that. That 'service' is given here with the best of intentions and according to the same good motives and principles that you and others espouse here in respect to the actual behaviour on the beach.

If you want me to shift my opinion on this matter then produce real evidence that my views on risk (legal) are incorrect or unfounded -- then you will have added value for me and others. Otherwise I assume the precautionary principle and act accordingly until proven otherwise.

In the meantime, and as a sign off, unless absolutely necessary for me to respond in order to correct/defend etc, thank you to one mature and thoughtful member who recently emailed me a very +ve, helpful and constructive reply. I won't name the person as they appear not to want to be caught up in the show here -- but I will be happy to acknowledge him/her if they wish. But for any others others who might be interested: "if you put your safety leash on your flagging line or ring depending on what brand kite you fly and one hand on the safety release when you self launch you can instantly kill the power in the kite if the launch goes skewwiff, this is basic safety and should be the number one lesson shown to everyone for 101% safe launches every time, hope this helps as serious injury often happens when the launch goes wrong for whatever reason." To the source: Yes, it helps. Good advice. Thank you.