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Gboots
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Gboots Gboots
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31 Jul 2021 2:25pm
The Safe Workers Act and covid

www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/covid-19-information-workplaces/industry-information/general-industry-information/vaccination





Kamikuza
Kamikuza
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Kamikuza Kamikuza
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31 Jul 2021 2:40pm
FormulaNova said..
show that these decisions are politically motivated


What sort of thing would convince you that they are politically motivated? And what's your definition of political motivation?

"information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view."
Yes the past 18 months have been marked with unbiased and actuate dissemination of scientific information by governmental authorities...
japie
japie
NSW
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japie japie
NSW, 7146 posts
31 Jul 2021 3:34pm



Main
Main
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Main Main
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31 Jul 2021 4:06pm
FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.



I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay




The closest I can see to that is to watch the UK and see how their opening up performs. It will tell us a lot. They have much higher rates of vaccination, but maybe it will show us if we are able to try and resume 'normal' in the future.



Yes ! We will see a whole bunch of people who exercised their freedom of choice get Covid and die !
Pretty much what's happening in Texas and Florida right now !! Anti vaxers dying from covid to get a special mention in this years Darwin Awards..
psychomub
psychomub
448 posts
psychomub psychomub
448 posts
31 Jul 2021 2:40pm
FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.



I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay



That's something we will never know. We can stand around and say the current lockdowns are much worse than 'normal', but do we have an option of normal? We don't know.

The closest I can see to that is to watch the UK and see how their opening up performs. It will tell us a lot. They have much higher rates of vaccination, but maybe it will show us if we are able to try and resume 'normal' in the future.

Its very easy, especially here in WA, to assume that there is no pandemic. Its pretty good here at the moment, but would that still be the case if we just forgot the precautions and didn't look to how we handle it in the future?

P.S. it's good to see others deleting some of their posts... I have sometimes typed something out and though its not the best way to have a decent conversation and deleted it.


If you are referring to my deleted post, it is because it C&P'd all weird and I had to head out.

The gist of it was that on HMS Queen Elizabeth there are 100 Covid cases on a ship with a fully double jabbed crew.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617.amp
airsail
airsail
QLD
1599 posts
airsail airsail
QLD, 1599 posts
31 Jul 2021 5:48pm



FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15100 posts
31 Jul 2021 4:17pm
psychomub said..
FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.



I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay



That's something we will never know. We can stand around and say the current lockdowns are much worse than 'normal', but do we have an option of normal? We don't know.

The closest I can see to that is to watch the UK and see how their opening up performs. It will tell us a lot. They have much higher rates of vaccination, but maybe it will show us if we are able to try and resume 'normal' in the future.

Its very easy, especially here in WA, to assume that there is no pandemic. Its pretty good here at the moment, but would that still be the case if we just forgot the precautions and didn't look to how we handle it in the future?

P.S. it's good to see others deleting some of their posts... I have sometimes typed something out and though its not the best way to have a decent conversation and deleted it.


If you are referring to my deleted post, it is because it C&P'd all weird and I had to head out.

The gist of it was that on HMS Queen Elizabeth there are 100 Covid cases on a ship with a fully double jabbed crew.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617.amp


No, I'm not referring to your post, just to Psychojoe's. I think we all need to self-censor a bit on here. Sometimes you (I) want to post something a bit too aggressive, but its not good for anyone, so I don't post it. Sometimes I do and then delete it.

I figure if I look at it later and think that I was a bit too strong, I delete it now.
psychomub
psychomub
448 posts
psychomub psychomub
448 posts
31 Jul 2021 4:21pm
FormulaNova said..

psychomub said..

FormulaNova said..


psychojoe said..


FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.




I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay




That's something we will never know. We can stand around and say the current lockdowns are much worse than 'normal', but do we have an option of normal? We don't know.

The closest I can see to that is to watch the UK and see how their opening up performs. It will tell us a lot. They have much higher rates of vaccination, but maybe it will show us if we are able to try and resume 'normal' in the future.

Its very easy, especially here in WA, to assume that there is no pandemic. Its pretty good here at the moment, but would that still be the case if we just forgot the precautions and didn't look to how we handle it in the future?

P.S. it's good to see others deleting some of their posts... I have sometimes typed something out and though its not the best way to have a decent conversation and deleted it.



If you are referring to my deleted post, it is because it C&P'd all weird and I had to head out.

The gist of it was that on HMS Queen Elizabeth there are 100 Covid cases on a ship with a fully double jabbed crew.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617.amp



No, I'm not referring to your post, just to Psychojoe's. I think we all need to self-censor a bit on here. Sometimes you (I) want to post something a bit too aggressive, but its not good for anyone, so I don't post it. Sometimes I do and then delete it.

I figure if I look at it later and think that I was a bit too strong, I delete it now.


Cool, then I'll add to mine..

mb.ntd.com/74-percent-of-covid-19-cases-from-massachusetts-outbreak-occurred-in-fully-vaccinated-people-study_652044.html
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15100 posts
31 Jul 2021 4:21pm
japie said..





Regardless of the Ivermectin thing, which I have no understanding of what it means, this is where it becomes difficult to understand the data. If the population has a majority that are vaccinated, how do you tell if the vaccine is doing anything. Clearly people that are getting vaccinated are getting Covid, but is this better than if they were not vaccinated?
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
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Mr Milk Mr Milk
NSW, 3137 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:35pm
The easy way to look at it is to compare the proportions of cases between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. If the population is 90% vaccinated but only 50% of cases occur in the vaccinated people then the vaccine is 90% percent effective. If it was 80% effective, we would expect about 70% of the cases to be vaccinated people
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
japie japie
NSW, 7146 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:50pm
Very good question. If that data is correct what exactly is the point of this "vaccine"? If you can still get the disease presumably you can still pass it on. Any wonder people are reluctant to have it injected into them.

Basically it doesn't work and on top of that it's potentially dangerous. As a number of eminent scientists have warned including Robert Malone, the inventor of the technology.

He can hardly be categorised as an anti vaxxer as he has spent all his working life developing vaccines.

I tend to pay attention to guys like him. Just seems to make sense.

www.brighteon.com/0f423388-68de-40c7-85d6-034991ec403a
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
lotofwind lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:57pm
Is it a coincidence that 99% of people who are against the jab are either vegans, gluten free eaters, only eat quinoa or wear little tin foil hats?? lol but like to punch horses in the face.

Still trying to decide if I should delete this.
TonyAbbott
TonyAbbott
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TonyAbbott TonyAbbott
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31 Jul 2021 6:18pm
Wasn't really a punch, more like a gentle defensive push or fend off. I have give horses harder pats.

Made a good photo for the anti-freedom fighters, politicians and lock-down lovers
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
lotofwind lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
31 Jul 2021 8:31pm
I guess the throwing of pot plants and bottles at police and horses was ok too then.
Was an embarrassing day for Aust. , thought it was only in the USA people acted violently and like barbarians to try and prove a point.
It definitely didnt, and never does, help them in any way or prove any point. Just hurt their own hip pocket with lots being fined.
That type of protest is only a small step away from this disgusting behavior below.




TonyAbbott
TonyAbbott
924 posts
TonyAbbott TonyAbbott
924 posts
31 Jul 2021 6:33pm
Mostly peaceful protest
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
2241 posts
psychojoe psychojoe
WA, 2241 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:16pm
lotofwind said..
Is it a coincidence that 99% of people who are against the jab are either vegans, gluten free eaters, only eat quinoa or wear little tin foil hats?? lol but like to punch horses in the face.

Still trying to decide if I should delete this.


Doesn't quinoa contain gluten
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15100 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:22pm
japie said..
Very good question. If that data is correct what exactly is the point of this "vaccine"? If you can still get the disease presumably you can still pass it on. Any wonder people are reluctant to have it injected into them.



The point I was trying to make is that it is very hard to make something meaningful of the data.

As an example, if you vaccinate a large proportion of people in high-risk jobs, it skews the data. You cannot separate the percentage infected by whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated anymore, unless you have that data.

There are so many variables that you cannot conclude much from the data.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
Kamikuza Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 Aug 2021 12:27am
Main said..
Yes ! We will see a whole bunch of people who exercised their freedom of choice get Covid and die !
Pretty much what's happening in Texas and Florida right now !! Anti vaxers dying from covid to get a special mention in this years Darwin Awards..


Haven't been vaccinated so far and ... I'm not dead. In fact none of us are, so far as I can tell.

What's happening in Texas and Florida now? You mean the 75% of those deaths who were people with "serious underlying conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer or chronic lung disease"? And those who were vaccinated and died made up 0.5% of the stats. So, 1 in 200 chance of dying from COVID if you're vaccinated

They'e vaccinated 50% of Texas. There's only so many people you can get through...
actiomax
actiomax
NSW
1576 posts
actiomax actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
1 Aug 2021 6:50am
I saw it was a 1in 200 chance of dying unvaccinated but 1 in 2million chance if vaccinated
Im pretty sure that's what they showed me when I got my 1st shot
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
theDoctor theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
1 Aug 2021 7:37am



japie
japie
NSW
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japie japie
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1 Aug 2021 7:44am
m.facebook.com/justsulofficial/videos/349589170059892/?extid=NS-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&refsrc=deprecated&_rdr
psychomub
psychomub
448 posts
psychomub psychomub
448 posts
1 Aug 2021 6:33am
I wonder why you never hear reports on ADE, antibody dependent enhancement, there are literally 100's of experts warning us the vaccines are making Covid worse
The latest UK government study warn we could be creating Super viruses that may cause the deaths of 1 in 3 world wide


assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1007566/S1335_Long_term_evolution_of_SARS-CoV-2.pdf
psychomub
psychomub
448 posts
psychomub psychomub
448 posts
1 Aug 2021 6:35am
actiomax said..
I saw it was a 1in 200 chance of dying unvaccinated but 1 in 2million chance if vaccinated
Im pretty sure that's what they showed me when I got my 1st shot


They lied to you. They don't have enough data to make those type of statements.
psychojoe
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WA
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1 Aug 2021 6:35am
actiomax said..
I saw it was a 1in 200 chance of dying unvaccinated but 1 in 2million chance if vaccinated
Im pretty sure that's what they showed me when I got my 1st shot


There was a moment in time when some cherry picked data made that true. Pfizer is known for cherry picking data. Surely they wouldn't do it again.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
theDoctor theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
1 Aug 2021 8:53am



DanNotStan
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NSW
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DanNotStan DanNotStan
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1 Aug 2021 8:59am
japie said..




Just googled this and the numbers correlate with the recent outbreak in Israel (pfizer loses effect over time it looks like) but the deaths have flatlined...




I see the vaccine as a seatbelt. Would I rather not have it? Yes. Is it going to save my life in a vehicle incident (covid)? Maybe..but that chance is better than none.

Had the 2 shots of pfizer. Had sore arm for 1-2 days. I have not turned magnetic or am mind controlled by Bill Gates (I still use Linux).
It looks like you have a greater chance of dieing in a motor vehicle accident compared to a vaccine shot. When are they going to abolish those dam cars?

Kamikuza
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QLD
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Kamikuza Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 Aug 2021 10:01am
actiomax said..
I saw it was a 1in 200 chance of dying unvaccinated but 1 in 2million chance if vaccinated
Im pretty sure that's what they showed me when I got my 1st shot


As others said, they don't have the data: they'd have to know the rate of infection to judge the infection fatality rate, which they won't have until it's all over. So they making guesses, and doing it badly. We know that you're pretty much immune to our if you're under 20, and now susceptible the older you get. If you're 80, then that for it right.
TonyAbbott
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TonyAbbott TonyAbbott
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1 Aug 2021 8:14am



FormulaNova
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WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15100 posts
1 Aug 2021 9:04am
Kamikuza said..
actiomax said..
I saw it was a 1in 200 chance of dying unvaccinated but 1 in 2million chance if vaccinated
Im pretty sure that's what they showed me when I got my 1st shot


As others said, they don't have the data: they'd have to know the rate of infection to judge the infection fatality rate, which they won't have until it's all over. So they making guesses, and doing it badly. We know that you're pretty much immune to our if you're under 20, and now susceptible the older you get. If you're 80, then that for it right.


If you are saying that 'they are making guesses and doing it badly' then you must know what the guesses should be. How is it that you know the answers or are you using 20/20 hindsight? Its easy to look at the results and say what should have been done.

There have been cases of people catching Covid in their teens. How is this for 'immunity'?

It sounds like you are making guesses as well, just different to the authorities.
Mr Milk
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NSW
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Mr Milk Mr Milk
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1 Aug 2021 11:25am
TonyAbbott said..




I'm guessing that these are anti vaxxer nurses. It would be interesting to know if they were personally working in areas where they were exposed to the virus and managed to avoid it. Do they think that wearing biohazard suits and other PPE is going to go on forever? I'm pretty sure that management will prefer spending $50 for vaccine and occasional boosters than $50 per nurse per shift for PPE
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