i know one thing that is an absolute certainty

having a pet animal significantly increases life expectancy.

www.henrymakow.com/the_dog_centered_life.html

These countries don't want to import processed product. They want live as it is fresher and higher quality. IMO we have to have our foot in the door to make change.

Adolf- best Avatar and name ever. So funny.

bjw said...

They want live as it is fresher and higher quality. IMO we have to have our foot in the door to make change.

or is it because we charge a decent days wage for a decent days work...?

not that i condone slaughtering beings with a spirit as a comodity, or as decent (or a days work)


we have our foot in the door to make change, if you wanna wax on about christian being better than musilum

halal, as it is halal, is about respecting the spirit of life
(remember how you and your missus got teary behind them 3d glasses in that avatar movie..?)
, the same as we from the west believe we do, as we send them off to be slaughtered (humanely-- are you farking kiddin..?) by the truck load and then pick it up in plastic wrap at the super market... and believe its ok


life is not a commodity

fark anyone, (and their family) who thinks its' ok to buy meat in this country because the "beast" suffers less than it would in a musilum country...

theDoctor said...

bjw said...

They want live as it is fresher and higher quality. IMO we have to have our foot in the door to make change.

or is it because we charge a decent days wage for a decent days work...?

not that i condone slaughtering beings with a spirit as a comodity, or as decent (or a days work)


we have our foot in the door to make change, if you wanna wax on about christian being better than musilum

halal, as it is halal, is about respecting the spirit of life
(remember how you and your missus got teary behind them 3d glasses in that avatar movie..?)
, the same as we from the west believe we do, as we send them off to be slaughtered (humanely-- are you farking kiddin..?) by the truck load and then pick it up in plastic wrap at the super market... and believe its ok


life is not a commodity

fark anyone, (and their family) who thinks its' ok to buy meat in this country because the "beast" suffers less than it would in a musilum country...

How would you like to die?

Have your throat sliced wide open leaving your head dangling as you feel your blood run out over yourself or a quick bolt into your brain.

I know what I would prefer.

SandS said...

adolf said...

Here's your chance Sands and others to make a difference.

www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

I'm also never going to go to Indonesia and refuse to eat satay.

thanks adolf good linking!! come on u lot sign the petition !!!

I did!

I live in a port town where we export live cows & sheep...the protesters were swarming a few years ago with the lead spokesman 'tainting' the sheep feedlot's feed troughs with minced pork! Imo, that puts him outside what I would call an animal welfare activist!

You want to see blood? Our local boatramp & cleaning tables are covered in it every day with 100's of tuna being caught, butchered & the half-cleaned carcasses thrown in a skip!

It has to die to be cut up before you eat it.

On most farms in Australia when they slaughter their own meat they mostly cut their throat as its means of death. You have to bleed any animal before the blood pressure drops. So if you shoot it or kill it with a bolt the next step is cutting the throat. Chooks and ducks get their heads cut off. Either way, the throat is being cut

This is reality........... It is not pretty but it is reality. If you can't handle the thought of an animal dieing or bleeding everywhere for your meat supply vegetarianism is your only option.

The problem lies with buying your meat from supermarkets and mass production abatoirs.

I love meat, having T-Bone for dinner tonight. That cow had it's throat cut. BUT I am buying the meat from my local butcher who buys his whole carcass from a small rural farmer / supplier. Not boxed or cryovac from a feedlot fed, grown in half the time and meat full of water production line.

It's nicer meat and cheaper than from Coles.

Just a quick note in response to comments made about cattle in Australia being killed with "a quick bolt".
Mostly that is the case, but not always.

I used to manage the maintenance in an abattoir. There was a large "fence" in the area where the cattle were 'dropped' after being hit with the bolt gun. This fence had some hap hazard extensions on the top of it. The reason for the extensions (and the fence) was to contain any cattle that were not killed instantly by the bolt gun.
The sound of a beast after being 'mis hit' with a bolt is not possible to forget.
They sometimes managed to jump the fence and run around the abattoir. When this happened, everyone got out of the way in any way they could, while the owner finshed off the beast with a rifle.
The owner hated it when this happened; not because of the suffering, but because it would stop the 20 or so meatworkers for a few minutes.

Sad but true...

FormulaNova said...

Adoy said...

Ban live exports and keep the process, value adding, jobs and money in Australia Mate!

I think these countries require that they get live animals as they need to slaughter them according to their religious requirements. If you ban the live export trade, you will lose that income as they will not accept animals already killed.

I didn't see the program, but I am assuming the way these animals were killed was particularly bad. Is there anyway to control this part of the process?

In NZ they have Halal (spelling) slaughtermen that work at the Abatoirs then the export the processed meat to the muslim countries....

Australia has no excuses for not doing this..

Going out on a limb here why is it that muslims just have NFI...

if all animals in Australia were slaughtered by bleeding them to death, would it significantly reduce the consumption of meat?

OF COURSE NOT,most don't give a ...k,as they don't care.

as long as they get their daily taste fix,they don't give a toss.

or they'll do some type of psy-op on themselves so they can continue to enjoy the taste of ritualistic murder.

doggie said...

barn said...

doggie said...

^^ I would have no problem in blowing that foxes head off Barn. I wouldnt even think about it!

But why wouldn't you think about. You won't be helping the environment, another fox will just move in and replace the territory. Walking into the bush and blowing a foxes head off achieves nothing except getting your rocks of on killing a animal who is just trying to break even.

Its sick, like Queenslanders who kill cane toads with golf clubs.. Ten less toads makes no difference, you just being a dick by feeling good about killing...

So what is it, you just enjoy killing? must be a depressing life if thats what you find fun..

Another fox to kill

So barn you make them look cute playing together, now show a video of what they did to a farmers lamb or sheep!

Yes another fox to kill.........BANG!!!

good logic there........... did you see what the Indonesians did to the poor cattle? yes another muslim to kill BANG!!!!

felixdcat said...

Let kill all the foxes and then what will be of the rabbit population???? Yes folk rabbit is the prey of choice for foxes.
It is funny how the hunting lobby can twist the reality so they can have the killing fun. Back in Europe the wolf population is increasing and the wolf is protected yet the DK hunters don't like it as it is a competitor so they formed a lobby group to declare the wolf a dangerous predator and they would like to be able to exterminate the lot of them to protect the poor farmer's animals, mind you all the sheep killing that have been happening was done by feral dogs...... should we kill all the dogs as well. The japs are already killing the dolphins because the competition the dolphins are creating eating fish, we should kill all the roos as well as the emus and don't let any shark alive!
Now I had my morning rant And I feel better![}:)]

Oh cute bunnies.........BANG more verman. Roos and Emus are native. In saying that they can also be a pest so sometime they NEED to be culled as well.

doggie said...

Oh cute bunnies.........BANG more verman. Roos and Emus are native. In saying that they can also be a pest so sometime they NEED to be culled as well.

Kangaroos and Emus can be pests because we killed their predators, Thylacine, Dingos were their natural predators along with the aboriginals. The aboriginals replaced the marsupial lion.

The aboriginals were pests to the farmers, we shot them also..

Basically the environment is screwed and we might as well just accept the foxes as natives, like the dingo.. We brought them here, they were smarter than the natives and ate them... It's not their fault, its the fault of hunters who brought them here..

doggie said...


Belive what you like barn, the funny thing is the more you talk about it the more I want to do it.

Guess it helps with your depression, cheaper than a shrink. Go get 'em hero..

barn said...
Your just being a depressed jerk who kills animals for fun, trying to justify it by 'helping the farmers'.. Hero.

barn said...
Guess it helps with your depression, cheaper than a shrink. Go get 'em hero..

Back to your vilest ad hominem self eh Barn. The only difference this time is it's not me - but not for long I'd guess . Are you not able to develop and present a coherent, cogent argument to an impersonal proposition? Certainly the few misleading, emotive statements you placed around doggie's character assassination would strongly suggest not!

Why don't you learn to play the ball, not the man? Surely grown-ups can disagree on a topic without the need to get personal and hurtful. I have no idea who either of you are, and doggie and I disagree on some things too, but he's not commonly known for venting his spleen on everyone who believes differently form him. Grown-ups can have robust debate and still remain friends. It's way past time you (and 1 or 2 others) grew up!

I hope everyone reads this and takes it to heart. I'm guessing I'll be banned from here on .