Didn't see the show, however after watching the news tonight and seeing the dirtbags responsible for shooting the policeman in the head in the Gold Coast giving the finger to the cameras as they were led into court makes me think we should them to Indo for the cattle slaughterers to practice on.

barn said...

dinsdale said...

barn said...
Dinsdale again, how can you criticise another religion for being "Crack pot'.. Your all equally crackpot..

Trying to draw any kind of moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam is complete lunacy. I happen to fully agree with every point on doggie's list, except the last one of course.

EDIT: Yep, sorry gorgo/doggie.

How about the moral equivalence of Halal meat in the following..

-denying family planning to the developing countries (overpopulation, starvation)

-denying abortions in all cases (Mexico et al)

-denying cheap prevention of AIDs in developing countries

-scaring children with threats of eternal hellfire and damnation (mental child abuse)

-deaths of children whose parents relied on faith healing

-denying stem cell research (because a cell culture has a soul)

-supporting the collective opposition to any criticism of religious beliefs (like when you got offended at a picture of Jesus)

-claiming raising a Child with one parent is paramount to child abuse (you said that, not really an equivalent to halal, but..)

-Witch Hunts (still happening in africa, thou not suffer a witch to live)

-the idea that the earth is ours to subdue and conquer (Tasmanian Tiger, Amazon)

Those are several examples of what I would say expose unnecessary discomfort upon other beings justified by you lot cause its in the scripture. I thought i'd ignore the crusades and the inquisitions because you guys seem to have got bored of that..


**(late edit, don't answer this on here as it's derailing)**
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poor relative, if you can watch the whole video I posted and tell me there is no difference between that and shooting a Roo between the eyes then there is something wrong!!..

What an uneducated crock! After I stopped laughing I handed my netbook to my wife and asked, "How would you answer this idiot?" Of course I wouldn't say that in the forum, so just asked my wife.
She read it and replied (and I quote, verbatim), "Well, you got the idiot bit right. He has nothing to say, but he still insists on saying it."
I thought, "What a good line. Quite clever with words, my wife"
She continued (and I quote, verbatim), "I really don't know why you bother. You already know you can't argue with ignorance."
Now I wouldn't say that here, so I just asked my wife.

So Barn, what is your problem? I bet you had a bad experience with a priest or something like that when you were a kid. What did I do to you? Why must you just vent venom, at me, for no apparent reason? Just inform the whole forum exactly what it is, get it off your chest and let the forum settle down to a little civility.

PS yea, orright Laurie, I understand.

dinsdale said...

So Barn, what is your problem? I bet you had a bad experience with a priest or something like that when you were a kid. What did I do to you? Why must you just vent venom, at me, for no apparent reason? Just inform the whole forum exactly what it is, get it off your chest and let the forum settle down to a little civility.

Maybe it's your thinly disguised hatred of all muslims that grates his teeth? Just guessing...

dinsdale said...

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So Barn, what is your problem?

My problem is that time you posted that you were offended by a picture of jesus, and how you are always condescending to people who don't agree with you.. Calling people who accept the probability of man made climate change dumb..

All I said is you can't condemn the Muslims for fulfilling their religions traditions when your religious traditions cause just as much pain. You must be aware that Population control is globally opposed by your religion, you do know this is causing inconceivable pain and suffering to countless people. You must be aware that the teachings of Christianity give people in Africa the Religious authority to burn Witches. Just like the teachings of Islam give people the Religious authority for Halal.



You believe in an invisible man in the sky and are lecturing me on my Ignorance?? Old man, Please..

barn said...


I didn't see the program but I'm guessing it's the same as this video for anyone else who missed it. The video starts with the Western bolt gun kill, then the Islam way..

://www.youtube.com/results%3Fsearch_query%3Dmeet%2Byour%2Bmeat%26aq%3Df&has_verified=1

This is a rundown on whats happening in the UK, halal is being allowed under the guise of 'multiculturalism' and respect for 'religious tradition'


If you are engaged in an act of cruelty, there is an easy, effective way to silence your critics and snatch some space to carry on. Tell us all that your religion requires you to do it, and you are "offended" by any critical response. Erect an electric wire fence around your nastiest actions and call it "respect".Continued..
www.johannhari.com/2010/11/19/we-should-not-tolerate-religious-excuses-for-extreme-animal-cruelty



Dinsdale again, how can you criticise another religion for being "Crack pot'.. Your all equally crackpot..
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3:43 it was still breathing

Im abit suprised that so many people were stunned , shocked etc,
what were you expecting, in a 3rd world country.
Im sure that there are far worse places in these countries. what about the abbatoirs that we dont police?
I really dont see the opportunity to bag out religion , when this just a case of cheap cost effective way to kill what they consider simply food.
Its not that far in the past that we in Australia did much the same.
keep in mind that we used to use a slaughtermans axe on cattle . this is a regular axe with a massive 6"long 1"diameter shaft on the Poll(back) of the axe.
this would be swung into the top of the skull to Kill the beast, then after all the shaking was done you would bleed it.

dinsdale said...

SomeOtherGuy said...
Maybe it's your thinly disguised hatred of all muslims that grates his teeth? Just guessing...

I have no hatred of Muslims at all, but I certainly don't attempt to disguise my hatred of Islam. Don't judge Islam by the Muslims whom you know.

bbwaahhaaaahhhaaaa!! And you called barn ignorant? Thanks man... I'll still be laughing tomorrow on that one!

dinsdale said...

I love animals too - bar-b-qued mainly .

I hunt, and I love eating meat. I'll shoot ANY feral animals on sight. I shoot roos, but only enough for my and my family and friends' consumption. I'm looking forward to my 1st camel hunt. Goat, camel and roo meats are each really nice eating.

Shooting roos is fine, its more humane than any other way of getting meat, but..

I'm going to compare this whole 'I'll shoot ANY feral animals on sight' to the practice of Halal... I used to live in Egypt, a country that Australia once banned live meat exports to for the exact practice displayed in the videos. And one of the things I noticed is they enjoyed the suffering of animals, it's some kind of macho superiority thing. I've witnessed stray dogs and cats bashed for fun, the camels were treated like **** and the horses were made to work on limp legs.. They had no idea about the sentient nature of the other animals...

I think this is another reason why they don't see any problem using the Halal method..

Now what about walking around in the bush shooting all the ferals?.. It's not protecting the environment, shooting one fox has no impact on the biodiversity, Golf Clubbing one Cane Toad is not going to save a Koala.. All it is is an excuse to be a twat to an animal..

It's not their fault they are feral, and unless its a controlled and extensive pest reduction operation there is really no point killing them...

So killing a feral cat is not doing any good, and depending on season there could be a whole litter of cats who will starve to death because you shot the mum, for fun...

I've had friends who used to put chips on their fish hooks and catch seagulls, they used to think it was Ok cause seagulls were annoying pests..

Thats all it is, killing for fun.. I have no doubt that the Halal practice started as some sick F**k getting his kicks out of the suffering of an animal.. And Shooting a fox for the fun of it is almost the same, it's just being a dick to an animal.. Some kind of superiority complex... Do you get a licence to kill just because they are feral..

tl;dr


Nobody will agree with me, Dinsdale is Old and set in his ways, but one day, being a twat by getting your kicks out of killing animals will be frowned upon..

Food Inc. was another good doco that had me thinking. The last beast watching his mates get slaughtered, those images will stay in my head for a long time.
Watching that will definitely have an effect on my diet, a lot less meat for sure.

my best mate (Vietnam vet) reckon that hunters are just cowards shouting at defenseless animals that can't shoot back. Hiding behind the" I am a hero doing lota good for this country" My opinions is hunters are c***s

Hey Dinsdale

It takes lots of skill and patience to hunt down foxes, cats and pigs, 5,000 in one
weekend was there 5000 hunters? Did you sneak up and stalk and strangle all these animals? Or did you use a 223, spotlight and 4x4 and shoot them from 200 meters away?
It takes no skill to look through a scope and crosshairs and pull a trigger and kill something you can do the same thing on a playstation.
Boof

doggie said...

boofy said...

Hey Dinsdale

It takes lots of skill and patience to hunt down foxes, cats and pigs, 5,000 in one
weekend was there 5000 hunters? Did you sneak up and stalk and strangle all these animals? Or did you use a 223, spotlight and 4x4 and shoot them from 200 meters away?
It takes no skill to look through a scope and crosshairs and pull a trigger and kill something you can do the same thing on a playstation.
Boof

You havnt done it then have you

I had my eyes opened a bit when I was in Canada, up until then I'd always thought that hunting was skillful and tough to do, but I watched a couple of local hunting programs where people jumped into golf carts, drove up a grassy trail until they saw a black bear they liked (sitting on the grass eating something) and then shot it. They then loaded it up on the back of the cart and drove back to the lodge with smiles all around.

But then I also saw people tracking miles into back country to shoot a similar looking black bear.

Depends how you do it I guess. I've never hunted so I have no idea how common either of these scenarios is.

doggie said...
Trant, the thing that got me about boofys rant "Or did you use a 223, spotlight and 4x4 and shoot them from 200 meters away?" 200m?? thats a long shot even with a teliscopic sight, and then you have to sight the gun in before you get out there, in no way is just those two things "easy". Also ever tried to hit a moving fox or rabbit? They have to be the hardest targets on the move.
So, I dont think its easy at all and I recon boofy would starv if left out in the bush..

Lol, fair enough, I didn't realise.

Given that, I'd probably starve too.

Hey Doggie
I have been hunting with my brother inlaw who is right into it, and like anything these days with technology and the equipment available the human error element can be reduced in a lot of things we do. I dont know how Dinsdale hunts or with what but when you set up a rifle, hunt with a spotlight ( which I am assuming most fox hunters do at night the fox stands transfixed in the light you put the crosshairs between the two glowing eyes and pull the trigger) also 200 meters these days with 22/250,222,223 or any other of the sniper like calibres makes it easy. A responsible hunter going for headshots in my opinion wouldnt take shots on the run. No rant mate just opinion

Cheers Boof

Hey Doggie
Next time your on the Goldy look me up we will catch some mud crabs, spin up some tailor maybe a jewie, get some fresh bushfoods and vegies out of my garden, fresh duckeggs, and I will invite an Indonesian mate over who is dying to taste malamute
cheers Boof