dinsdale said...

barn said...
Australia should be intolerant of intolerance..

Have you re-read what you've written here? You and loggie are the 2 most intolerant of all on these forums. Should we all want all Australians to be like you?
Methinks not!!

I am intolerant of homophobia

I am intolerant of sexism

I am intolerant of misogyny

I am intolerant of the over exploitation of the environment

I am intolerant of unnecessary cruelty to animals

I am intolerant of racism

I am intolerant of parents indoctrinating their gullible children into their chosen religion

I am intolerant of people preaching respect for their stupid beliefs

I am intolerant to the opposition of stem cell research

I am intolerant of Tax exemption for Religious institutions

I am intolerant of people imposing their religious beliefs upon others

I am intolerant of the notion that faith is a virtue. Believing something with no ****ing evidence is a virtue?? wtf

I am intolerant of the idea that there is an invisible man in the sky reading my brain and will send me to hell for eternity

I am intolerant of people getting offended at pictured of their prophet

So dinsdale, you are right I am intolerant. Proud of it to.

dinsdale said...

Hiko said...

Blowed if I can see where you are coming from dinsdale those you criticise seem
pretty unambiguous to me could you explain yourself ?
Unless of course you mean that being tolerant means you should turn a blind eye
to whats wrong

Get barn and loggie to tell us all about their tolerance towards Christians. I'm only talking tolerance here, not like or dislike. They're like most of the tolerance brigade. They're tolerant of those who agree with them, but watch the vitriol flow when someone disagrees with them.

Ad hominem; I don't think anyone knows what it means - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Straw man; I don't think anyone knows what this means either - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Barn and loggie; Grand masters of both of the above.

I am intolerant of the Christian ideology, not Christians.. Most Christians are very nice people.. It's the system thats the curse upon humanity, it is a morally bankrupt doctrine based on the notion that we are all born sinners because some ancient ancestor ate the wrong fruit... It's the celebration of a human sacrifice..

It's just psychopathic, absurd and no less crazy than believing in Superman.



So dinsdale, do you think I am going to hell?.. Is your God judging me?.. Do you believe in Heaven?.. Do you believe in the afterlife?... Do you believe in prayer?... Do you believe Jesus was born of a virgin?.. Do you believe in creation?.. Do you believe in witches?.. Do you believe homosexuality is a Sin?

I am not creating a strawman if you believe any of these. Rather than attack me how bout you answer a big collective NO to all these questions? Lets see how crazy you really are?

barn said...

dinsdale said...

barn said...
Australia should be intolerant of intolerance..

Have you re-read what you've written here? You and loggie are the 2 most intolerant of all on these forums. Should we all want all Australians to be like you?
Methinks not!!

I am intolerant of homophobia

I am intolerant of sexism

I am intolerant of misogyny

I am intolerant of the over exploitation of the environment

I am intolerant of unnecessary cruelty to animals

I am intolerant of racism

I am intolerant of parents indoctrinating their gullible children into their chosen religion

I am intolerant of people preaching respect for their stupid beliefs

I am intolerant to the opposition of stem cell research

I am intolerant of Tax exemption for Religious institutions

I am intolerant of people imposing their religious beliefs upon others

I am intolerant of the notion that faith is a virtue. Believing something with no ****ing evidence is a virtue?? wtf

I am intolerant of the idea that there is an invisible man in the sky reading my brain and will send me to hell for eternity

I am intolerant of people getting offended at pictured of their prophet

So dinsdale, you are right I am intolerant. Proud of it to.

Just got back from a sneaky little surf in stone cold but beautiful clear, Kennett River water ,yeah!!!. Great list Barnso. Totally agree from 1 through to 7 but I'm definitely for showing respect to ALL religions. It seems a bit churlish to disrespect. And then 9 through to finish I also agree.

barn said...
So dinsdale, you are right I am intolerant. Proud of it to.

So what?? I'm intolerant of many things too. Everybody is intolerant of some things, and some things shouldn't be tolerated. For example, I can tolerate a muslim being upset about criticism of their paedophile prophet, but I won't tolerate the violence which stems from that, and neither should you, or anyone. Your list is mostly about your grotesquely distorted idea of Christian beliefs. Most of the mind-numbing nonsense you dribble on about I'd have to say I probably agree with, but it's only because it is such nonsense.

My point (I do get sick of illiterates who won't/can't read) is that the tolerance brigade are the most intolerant. Intolerant of anybody who disagrees with them. It's not within your worldview to accept that anyone might have a legitimate right to a view different to yours. You're utterly unable to put together a cogent, coherent argument for your point of view, or against my point of view, instead simply deferring to ad hominem and straw man arguments. You think that by plucking some fanciful numbers or "so called" facts out of your rear orifice that I should lie down and adopt your point of view. I can, have been and will be in the future, swayed by intelligent argument. It's just that there won't be any coming from you (or loggie for that matter) in the foreseeable future.

As an aside, and being genuinely sympathetic, it is fairly obvious that you were "inappropriately abused" by someone masquerading as a Christian at some time in your life. You need to deal with that, as it's presently a cancer eating you out from the inside. There's no future in the level of bitterness which you harbour.

dinsdale said...


As an aside, and being genuinely sympathetic, it is fairly obvious that you were "inappropriately abused" by someone masquerading as a Christian at some time in your life. You need to deal with that, as it's presently a cancer eating you out from the inside. There's no future in the level of bitterness which you harbour.

Masquerading as a Christian?. You don't consider that they could have been genuine Christians?? ... Are you implying there is such a thing as "appropriate abuse"??

Anyway you don't need to be sympathetic to me dinsdale, I've never let any priests or their flock get near me.... . . But I went to a new school once, and the teacher made me write a letter to God, and made me attach it to a helium balloon which we released into the atmosphere.. That was pretty traumatic, I was convinced that my new school was quite insane...

I liked this thread better when were talking about shooting foxes, religion is crap at the best of times but this is out of control

dinsdale said...

barn said...
So dinsdale, you are right I am intolerant. Proud of it to.

So what?? I'm intolerant of many things too. Everybody is intolerant of some things, and some things shouldn't be tolerated. For example, I can tolerate a muslim being upset about criticism of their paedophile prophet, but I won't tolerate the violence which stems from that, and neither should you, or anyone. Your list is mostly about your grotesquely distorted idea of Christian beliefs. Most of the mind-numbing nonsense you dribble on about I'd have to say I probably agree with, but it's only because it is such nonsense.

My point (I do get sick of illiterates who won't/can't read) is that the tolerance brigade are the most intolerant. Intolerant of anybody who disagrees with them. It's not within your worldview to accept that anyone might have a legitimate right to a view different to yours. You're utterly unable to put together a cogent, coherent argument for your point of view, or against my point of view, instead simply deferring to ad hominem and straw man arguments. You think that by plucking some fanciful numbers or "so called" facts out of your rear orifice that I should lie down and adopt your point of view. I can, have been and will be in the future, swayed by intelligent argument. It's just that there won't be any coming from you (or loggie for that matter) in the foreseeable future.

As an aside, and being genuinely sympathetic, it is fairly obvious that you were "inappropriately abused" by someone masquerading as a Christian at some time in your life. You need to deal with that, as it's presently a cancer eating you out from the inside. There's no future in the level of bitterness which you harbour.

Dinsy, I thought Barns posts were OK, I didn't think he was playing the man, I thought he was grilling the Ideology. I don't think I've attacked you at all. So for example if I say, I don't want religious chaplains in schools that's not an attack on you but the policy and the idea of indoctrination of children, yeah?

log man said...
Mark, slaughter of animals in the Jewish religion also requires the slitting of the throat and the draining of blood. Are you also anti Jew?........... My guess is your not, and your not why??

As far as I can find out the Jews do stun the animal before cutting its throat - at least Jews in western countries (and that includes Israel). I only know 1 Jew and she says that's the case anyway. Seeing as no-one else knows how I'll Google it up later when I have more time.

As for animals being slaughtered for general western consumption, they have their throats cut absolutely asap after either stunning or killing. It all comes down to what that bolt thingy that they use on the animal's head actually accomplishes. I've never even been in an abattoir, but I understand that the very 1st thing which must be done is to drain all the blood. That's certainly the way all the hunters I know do game animals.

As far as I know the only religion which requires cutting the throat of a live, conscious animal is Islam, and it is required to be conscious. There may be some obscure small groups which require the same, but I'm unaware of them.

poor relative said...


This thread needs a

afraid of the truth?

Why should it be locked ? Its just a discussion
Thats what the thread is about I thought

log man said...

A pretty fair come back yourself, Mark, But I would argue that female circumcision and beatings are totally anti Islam.

Well I'd argue the exact opposite! I posted a link some time back to a Koran you can read and study on line. I do study Islam, and you're 100% wrong on that argument. No matter where they move to around the world the devout ones still do it. Islam, btw has 2 sacred texts, the Koran and the Hadith. They take doctrine from both and you must read both to piece together their doctrines. The stuff about beating women is in the Koran and the Hadith and the genital mutilation stuff is in the Hadith.

barn said...
Would they do it if they didn't think god was telling them to do it?

On the topic of circumcision, or the more accurate "mutilation" I genuinely recommend this exchange between a Rabbi and Hitchens.

Mark and Loggie, and even Doggie! and even dinsdale but I doubt my luck there, this is my youtube video for the month!!

So why would I quibble with the thrust of that, which Hitchens himself sums up as, "Genital mutilation is NO joke."? Singling me out (... and even dinsdale but I doubt my luck there) just speaks to heart of the fact that you have no idea at all about what Christians believe or do.

Where loggie thought he'd never support John Howard, I thought I'd never support Hitchens, but that little clip I'd support 99%. (He does make a couple of isolated very airy fairy generalisations, but the main thrust of what he had to say was spot on.)

NO civilized human being could possibly support genital mutilation - male or female!

A complete aside: I spent 9 years in the Oz military, during the Vietnam war. My Dad spent >4 years in the military in the islands during WW2. There are, under some circumstances, some very real health benefits to male circumcision which have no religious bearing.

I got this.. This is how you get a thread blocked.. Sit back and enjoy the carnage..

1st I'm gonna offend all the Alchemists..


All you Alchemists are wrong, there is no way to turn Lead into Gold. Your beliefs are irrational, and everything we have learnt about the physical world in the last 200 years proves your ideology is bunk. Before then, when we were ignorant of the structure of the universe, your beliefs were acceptable. But it's 2011, it's time to see your beliefs for what they are - nonsense..

Now for the Santanists..

Santa is a childhood fairy tale, snap out of it you guys, your being complete morons. There is no reason for believing in Santa, how can you believe in him when he delivers zero presents to starving Ethiopians??? reindeer cannot reach the correct airspeed velocity to carry Santas sleigh..


That should offend enough people..

Any minute now!

barn said...

I got this.. This is how you get a thread blocked.. Sit back and enjoy the carnage..

1st I'm gonna offend all the Alchemists..


All you Alchemists are wrong, there is no way to turn Lead into Gold. Your beliefs are irrational, and everything we have learnt about the physical world in the last 200 years proves your ideology is bunk. Before then, when we were ignorant of the structure of the universe, your beliefs were acceptable. But it's 2011, it's time to see your beliefs for what they are - nonsense..

Now for the Santanists..

Santa is a childhood fairy tale, snap out of it you guys, your being complete morons. There is no reason for believing in Santa, how can you believe in him when he delivers zero presents to starving Ethiopians??? reindeer cannot reach the correct airspeed velocity to carry Santas sleigh..


That should offend enough people..

Santa is real!!

dinsdale said...

log man said...
Mark, slaughter of animals in the Jewish religion also requires the slitting of the throat and the draining of blood. Are you also anti Jew?........... My guess is your not, and your not why??

As far as I can find out the Jews do stun the animal before cutting its throat - at least Jews in western countries (and that includes Israel). I only know 1 Jew and she says that's the case anyway. Seeing as no-one else knows how I'll Google it up later when I have more time.

As for animals being slaughtered for general western consumption, they have their throats cut absolutely asap after either stunning or killing. It all comes down to what that bolt thingy that they use on the animal's head actually accomplishes. I've never even been in an abattoir, but I understand that the very 1st thing which must be done is to drain all the blood. That's certainly the way all the hunters I know do game animals.

As far as I know the only religion which requires cutting the throat of a live, conscious animal is Islam, and it is required to be conscious. There may be some obscure small groups which require the same, but I'm unaware of them.

Dinso I found the article on "Judaism 101"(Really!)

log man said...

A pretty fair come back yourself, Mark, But I would argue that female circumcision and beatings are totally anti Islam.

I submit that it sure as sh!t aint Aussie or western



P.R I also wondered why this has not been locked yet but hey, the doorman has wandered off so tha club has free entry