Paducah said..

windsufering said..

Suck on that !

If that's your benchmark...

No and your point is ?

ThePhil said..

Jethrow said..
Pretty much any brand that is made in the Cobra Factory can have the LT re-badged to their brand...

Well that's fantastic, a far cry from the ending court cases of Hoyle Schweitzer's life.
Anymore details on how that works?

Minimum order of 35 boards. I don't think you even have to be a Cobra customer. Critically, there is no discount for larger orders so no one can buy 2000 at a bulk discount, undercut the market and gain control.

This thread has been going so long that it needs to change its title to " The old windsuferers Wally review, re-visited....again" lol
Surly something has come out better by now that's a progression ?

Its not what the thumbs seem to say, not me, just the thumbers. I guess the big group of sheep may follow the herd, but a good shepherd is needed to lead the way.
Surly the 2020 gear has some major upgrades ??? From the 70's style reunion.

Ok, cool, If PWA crew are riding them they must be better, sorry to get you upset, yes people were wrong then and are still wrong now, sorry again, carry on.

www.facebook.com/windsurferclass/videos/390931225114355/

5 days, 5 disciplines, more than 170 competitors, 50% competion 50% fun and a totally renewed Windsurfer Spirit back to Torbole, Garda Trentino! This is the 2019 Windsurfer World Championships Aftermovie!

Who's that ring in Finn !!!!! You think she would hide her flag in her shirt or something.

Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.

Windsurfer LT Worlds Dec. 2020 in Perth on the Swan River....get on board and enjoy.

delmar71 said..
Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.

Well said. Like you I've sailed fast stuff (Taipan, Slalom, Raceboards, fast pushbikes, etc) and slower and more simple stuff (Lasers, LTs and single speed bikes) and love them equally.

Speed is comparative; something that's fairly slow can feel just as fast and just as much fun as the quicker stuff. And if speed and being the latest design were what counted, we'd all be sailing kitefoilers, not windsurfers of any type.

That Open 60 is a good example, because the speed difference between an LT and a Formula board or foiling windsurfer is (in a breeze) about the same as the speed difference between the Open 60 monohull and an older ORMA 60 trimaran or a 100 foot supermaxi mono. Despite the fact that both of them are pretty slow when compared to the fastest things around, lots of people get excited about the Open 60 and dismiss the LT.

Just like the way that we love windsurfing despite the fact that kites are often quicker, it just shows how subjective our feeling on speed are. The strange thing is the way some people ignore that fact (and the fact that longboards are actually often faster than shortboards) in their desire to put down longboards.

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..

delmar71 said..
Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.

Lasers might be simple and low tech but are not very comfortable to sail

Lol thanks for that info I think your humour would be more appreciated in the foil forums !
your hate seems to grow as the Wally class gets bigger , quite sad actually!

Was this directed towards me ?

Chris 249 said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..

delmar71 said..
Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.

Lasers might be simple and low tech but are not very comfortable to sail

Lol thanks for that info I think your humour would be more appreciated in the foil forums !
your hate seems to grow as the Wally class gets bigger , quite sad actually!

Has 814 ever attacked the LT?

Windsuffering, plenty of people respect your passion and plenty of us are also willing to defend the class against attacks - but please don't go over the top with your own attacks.

My apologies I stuffed up

Just to point out I do own a LT, but are fortunate to also sail raceboard and foil. I like the LT but don't think it should be our Olympic class