gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg :)

1) Nope.
2) Luff length I don't know, booms are adjustable. The front of the fleet seem to set them to about 220 internal length and ease the outhaul as described above. In extreme breezes sometimes I think the boom goes to 225 and is outhauled to about 223(?) but that is very rare since that's normally too strong to race in. Personally I'm just as happy having the sail outhaul to 220 in extreme winds as it allows more twist.
3) Easily removed.
4) Yes
5) I don't know the new booms
6) My training sail stays rigged up under a tree by the water in the front field almost all the time, the racing sail is rolled around a plastic tube and never allowed to wrinkle even when rigging, and other people go somewhere between. The mylar does not like being rolled around the mast like dacron did, but I sometimes do it with training sails and they survive.

It's a great board. I thought the OD was an amazing success for something that was basically a modernised version of the first attempt at a Windsurfer, but the LT is as good in light stuff (albeit with different strengths and weaknesses), easier to sail, and much more fun in a breeze. Johnsy and the class did a great job of bringing the new board in, and the old boards are still probably very competitive most of the time if you are a skilled lightweight sailor. If you are heavier or less skilled, the new board makes a big difference.

Chris249 said..

backtotheroots said..

Hardcarve1 said..

gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg

1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex

can somebody say me:
what is the maximum boomlength inside measured (220cm ?).
Do some other trimtricks exist ?
many thanks in advance
Steven

As WS said, booms are adjustable and many sailors use old ones. The standard setting is about 220 inside measurement.

Adjusting the outhaul so that the very back of the leach is at 217cm in moderate winds is fast and high. In light winds (say 6 knots or less) you can ease it 1-2cm although it's not vital. In stronger winds (15 knots +?) you may take it out all the way to 220. Adjust the downhaul to have horizontal wrinkles until you are fully powered up and railing, then progressively tighten; sometimes I'm pulling it almost as hard as I can but that is without using a winch or harness, of course. Quite a few people use too much downhaul tension in light winds and many (most?) use too little tension in strong winds. These settings win nationals and appear to be very common at the front of the fleet.

Chris249 said..

backtotheroots said..

Hardcarve1 said..

gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg

1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex

can somebody say me:
what is the maximum boomlength inside measured (220cm ?).
Do some other trimtricks exist ?
many thanks in advance
Steven

As WS said, booms are adjustable and many sailors use old ones. The standard setting is about 220 inside measurement.

Adjusting the outhaul so that the very back of the leach is at 217cm in moderate winds is fast and high. In light winds (say 6 knots or less) you can ease it 1-2cm although it's not vital. In stronger winds (15 knots +?) you may take it out all the way to 220. Adjust the downhaul to have horizontal wrinkles until you are fully powered up and railing, then progressively tighten; sometimes I'm pulling it almost as hard as I can but that is without using a winch or harness, of course. Quite a few people use too much downhaul tension in light winds and many (most?) use too little tension in strong winds. These settings win nationals and appear to be very common at the front of the fleet.

an really excellent explanation, super ! With my 75 Kg I think maximum outhaul is 220 cm .
many thanks
Steven

with 75 Kg you need a mast 460 cm constant curve and a boom maximum 220 cm length.

gregnw44 said..

Chris249 said..

gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg :)

1) Nope.
2) Luff length I don't know, booms are adjustable. The front of the fleet seem to set them to about 220 internal length and ease the outhaul as described above. In extreme breezes sometimes I think the boom goes to 225 and is outhauled to about 223(?) but that is very rare since that's normally too strong to race in. Personally I'm just as happy having the sail outhaul to 220 in extreme winds as it allows more twist.
3) Easily removed.
4) Yes
5) I don't know the new booms
6) My training sail stays rigged up under a tree by the water in the front field almost all the time, the racing sail is rolled around a plastic tube and never allowed to wrinkle even when rigging, and other people go somewhere between. The mylar does not like being rolled around the mast like dacron did, but I sometimes do it with training sails and they survive.

It's a great board. I thought the OD was an amazing success for something that was basically a modernised version of the first attempt at a Windsurfer, but the LT is as good in light stuff (albeit with different strengths and weaknesses), easier to sail, and much more fun in a breeze. Johnsy and the class did a great job of bringing the new board in, and the old boards are still probably very competitive most of the time if you are a skilled lightweight sailor. If you are heavier or less skilled, the new board makes a big difference.

Thank you all very much!!
Ok... this is news for me... the new sail is Mylar, not Dacron, like the old days. Yes, so de-rigging fully will keep that nice "low stretch Mylar" with less wrinkles, than rolling it up along the mast. But sounds like you could roll it up against the mast, if you didn't care about crinkles and were most concerned about quick rigging / de-rigging. Easy to remove battens and a place to store them, cool. And a boom that rotates 90 degrees with a clamp, not a rope like the old days, haha!
I was asking about luff and boom length specs, cause I have a chance to buy just the board... or the board and a sail... or a full kit. There is no One Design racing here... so it's most likely I'll buy just the board and use sails I already have. But if I also buy the sail, I wanted to know what boom and mast size, the sail uses. I have lots of booms and masts, so I don't need 2 more.
Thanks again, Greg:)

If you get lots of wrinkles in the mylar you also risk delamination. I roll mine up from the foot of the sail on a pvc tube. My sail is a couple of years old and still looks like new although a bit stretched.

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A Glowing review from Starboard

WIndsurfer LT doing things better

windsurf.star-board.com/products/windsurfer-lt/

windsufering said..
A Glowing review from Starboard

WIndsurfer LT doing things better

windsurf.star-board.com/products/windsurfer-lt/

It should be if they are selling them as part of their range !

one more

Gestalt said..
alex and nash freetylin....

You named one kid after Alex Aguera and one after Robby Naish? Wow, that's dedication to the sport! :-)

normster said..
How many from aus to italy ?

Twenty something, I think. The Parkdale mob seem to be doing a great job of getting over there. And why not - it's a fantastic place.

Gestalt said..
some more from the weekend

I'm confused , your in Qld ???
Whats with the wetsuits ?
Im going to migrate and thinking of binning the ****whare .

AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..

Nice Exocet RF foil board, not sure if its the 81 or 91.Even a crappy rig will get a foil out of the water !

So you don't need those exotic expensive sails with carbon booms and mast ?

Andy Mac the inventor of the Mach moth boats was a Wally sailor and he's pretty smart designer so who knows !

windsufering said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..

Nice Exocet RF foil board, not sure if its the 81 or 91.Even a crappy rig will get a foil out of the water !

So you don't need those exotic expensive sails with carbon booms and mast ?

Pity you don't answer the Question ??

No but you need a foil board or equivalent and of course some kind of foil.You will foil with a soft sail but wont win a PWA event. Hope that answers the question

AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..

windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..

Nice Exocet RF foil board, not sure if its the 81 or 91.Even a crappy rig will get a foil out of the water !

So you don't need those exotic expensive sails with carbon booms and mast ?

Pity you don't answer the Question ??

No but you need a foil board or equivalent and of course some kind of foil.You will foil with a soft sail but wont win a PWA event. Hope that answers the question

A simple yes or no would of been ok because 99% of foilers will not be winning PWA events