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stribo

QLD

1628 posts

stribo

QLD, 1628 posts

17 Apr 2008 9:51pm

Thats why i have no urge to go there

Wet Willy

TAS

2317 posts

Wet Willy

TAS, 2317 posts

18 Apr 2008 4:35pm

STRING 'EM UP!!!!!!!!!! STRING 'EM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pierrec45

NSW

2005 posts

pierrec45

NSW, 2005 posts

18 Apr 2008 8:24pm

> String'em up

From what I've seen at my local beach, they've been doing it to each other a few times...

Red5

VIC

51 posts

Red5

VIC, 51 posts

18 Apr 2008 11:39pm

If that’s the most exciting thing those lifesaver tools could find to put on their program then they should stick to shaving and oiling each other while waiting for some tourist to stub thier toe, then pluck the speedo's from each others bum crack and tell each other what a hero they are.

What a surprise, 7 pages on this windsurfing forum about how evil kitesurfing is. If kitesurfing is too dangerous for you that’s fair enough, a man's got to know his limitations after all, but why be so critical, just break out the knitting needles, put a rug on your lap, make a nice cup of tea and be happy. Are you jealous that no one is interested enough in windsurfing anymore to put it on prime time TV?

Mark _australia

23652 posts

Mark _australia

WA, 23652 posts

18 Apr 2008 9:45pm

Sorry mate but you have lost it there. Yes abuse windsurfers for abusing kiters, fine. BUT don't have a cheap shot at surf lifesavers. Anyone who volunteers their time and has to watch a kid die in their arms deserves extreme respect. Same as volunteer firies and ambos. Those of us who get paid to do it expect it..... but don't disrepect the vollies until you have guts to get out and do it yourself.

nebbian

6277 posts

nebbian

WA, 6277 posts

18 Apr 2008 9:45pm

You don't have to read our forum Red.

Or are you like our good friend Slobberdog Miluservitch?

Here's a tissue, I think there's some dribble on your chin.

MavericK040

583 posts

MavericK040

WA, 583 posts

18 Apr 2008 9:51pm

Red5 said...

If that’s the most exciting thing those lifesaver tools could find to put on their program then they should stick to shaving and oiling each other while waiting for some tourist to stub thier toe, then pluck the speedo's from each others bum crack and tell each other what a hero they are.

What a surprise, 7 pages on this windsurfing forum about how evil kitesurfing is. If kitesurfing is too dangerous for you that’s fair enough, a man's got to know his limitations after all, but why be so critical, just break out the knitting needles, put a rug on your lap, make a nice cup of tea and be happy. Are you jealous that no one is interested enough in windsurfing anymore to put it on prime time TV?

Bad joojoo for U sir !!

nobody

NSW

437 posts

nobody

NSW, 437 posts

19 Apr 2008 12:02am

Hi Red5,

You seem so angry each time you post.
Do you want to tell us what is really troubling you?

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

18 Apr 2008 10:05pm

Mark _australia said...

Mark,
The stars of the show aren't volunteers.
They are full-time lifeguards (not regular clubbies) who get paid for their services by the Local Council.
They also would receive payment from the producers of Bondi Rescue for their acting services.

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

18 Apr 2008 10:10pm

I find it all a bit queer really.
So heres a picture of a peruvian apple cactus.

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

18 Apr 2008 10:10pm

nobody said...

Hi Red5,

You seem so angry each time you post.
Do you want to tell us what is really troubling you?

sand in his vaseline

Mark _australia

23652 posts

Mark _australia

WA, 23652 posts

18 Apr 2008 10:49pm

Sorry Mr Slave, vollie vs professional doesn't add any validity to his comments at all.

Red5 has had a dummy spit because he doesn't like windsurfers having a crack at kiters. Fine. Lets argue WS vs. kiters all day. All century for that matter...

But to make out the surf lifesavers as being poser ****ters who relish TV coverage is just plain wrong.

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

18 Apr 2008 11:01pm

Mark _australia said...

Sorry Mr Slave, vollie vs professional doesn't add any validity to his comments at all.

Red5 has had a dummy spit because he doesn't like windsurfers having a crack at kiters. Fine. Lets argue WS vs. kiters all day. All century for that matter...

But to make out the surf lifesavers as being poser ****ters who relish TV coverage is just plain wrong.

lol.
Mark,
I can tell you're touchy about this clubbie-bashing thing by Red5.
I'm guessing you were once a clubbie....but then you discovered polesurfing and you never wore your sluggos publicly ever again.
Am I right ?

nobody

NSW

437 posts

nobody

NSW, 437 posts

19 Apr 2008 1:09am

Since we're doing the kite vs windsurf thing. I thought this post from Starboards Jean-Marc was interesting:
www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3546

Just a couple of comments as well about kitesurfing or windsurfing on lakes :

1) you can go kiting in about 7 knots of wind providing you'll have a fairly big sail (20+ m2) and a kiteboard that is longer than usual. Reason is you need to build quite some speed to go forward at a reasonable pace and not just going stop and go with a short kiteboard.

2) 7 knots is the lowest planing limit with a Formula kit.

3) below 7 knots of wind, longboard windsurfing can be exciting and challenging providing you have the right high-performance gear to excell in those conditions (long and slender hull coupled with big 11 m2 sail).
Kitesurfing is a no go, however, mainly because it's extremely difficult to get the giant sail out of the water in say 5 knots wind. You'll need a helping boat to unstick and fly the sail again. And you'll drift anyway with the wind. A big kiteboard with positive floatation is of no help in that case.

Because I want to maximize my TOW from 1 to 40+ knots, windsurfing is plenty enough and up to that job so far.

Cheers !

JM

This backs up what Gestalt was saying earlier about early planing. This also challenges the claims that many kiters have about doing it because windsurfers are always waiting for wind. Yes I also wait for wind most of the time and now SUP while waiting, but if I didn't want to wait as much I could always buy formula gear. I also have two longboards so if I just need to get out, I can go any time.

Greenroom

7608 posts

Greenroom

WA, 7608 posts

18 Apr 2008 11:15pm

Hmmm no I dont think Mark use to be a clubbie. I think he has made a good point.
I too think that these blokes need respect.
Also coppers, ambos, firies all need to be respected.
It takes courage, an unselfish attitude and respect/worth for human life to do what they do.
No im not kissing Marks butt (although I wouldnt mind)

.
My best mate is a copper in Meeka. Miss you and respect brother.
People risking their lives for the safety of us as a community... huge respect

Mr. No-one

921 posts

Mr. No-one

WA, 921 posts

18 Apr 2008 11:35pm

Yeah what Greenroom said, and wearing speedos above and beyond the call of duty

Mark _australia

23652 posts

Mark _australia

WA, 23652 posts

19 Apr 2008 12:36am

waveslave said...

I have never had anything to do with surf lifesaving.
I take exception to Red5's comments as this thread is a slanging match between kiters and windsurfers.... and it is occurring in the right area / circumstances also. If kiters have a go at windsufers or vice versa, bring it on. All in good fun. BUT:

I am not touchy about "clubbie bashing" ... what I am touchy about is softc0cks who take a free shot and demean those who put their life on the line to help others.
Red5 seems to have got all narky because a TV program showed a kiter in a bad light... and instead of taking it out on the TV producers he made snide comments about those who save lives.
His comments are analagous to those people who take the p!ss out of ANZACS, firies, coppers and ambo's ..... yet they sit in the comfort of their home or office and relish in the protection afforded them by the aformentioned people. Absolutely disgusting.

I certainly hope that one day, if Red5 is in the unfortunate position of being 1km out to sea with a deflated kite and no board, he yells to the surf lifesavers "get away, leave me alone, don't save me you oiled body speedo wearing ****s."
But I doubt it.

Richiefish

QLD

5612 posts

Richiefish

QLD, 5612 posts

19 Apr 2008 8:48am

nobody said...

Hi Red5,

You seem so angry each time you post.
Do you want to tell us what is really troubling you?

it's a stick......

Spearsy

213 posts

Spearsy

SA, 213 posts

19 Apr 2008 9:32am

Typical ignorant comment.

pierrec45

NSW

2005 posts

pierrec45

NSW, 2005 posts

19 Apr 2008 12:15pm

> 7 pages on this windsurfing forum about how evil kitesurfing is.
> If kitesurfing is too dangerous for you that’s fair enough, a man's
> got to know his limitations after all, but why be so critical

Actually this thread started by laughing at some guy who didn't seem to know what he was doing. Yes I read his explanations, but then again I've seen the video.

I don't see how kiting hurts me. I ride and get in the way of their lines with the mast and watch them avoid the tangling. It's OK. And I always seem to trip over their lines and they say nothing. Nice norms actually.

I'm against paying for their hospital bills for idiocy, and the danger they represent to swimmers and by-standers.

Are we cool?

P.C_simpson

1492 posts

P.C_simpson

WA, 1492 posts

19 Apr 2008 11:00am

i'm with most guys on this thread when it comes to the lifesavers, they do a great job, i'm very happy they have helped me out on 2 occations, the first they come to the local skate park to help me out (park is next to the beach) my bike crank when almost through my calf muscle, they bandaged me up and arranged a lift for me to the hospital, the second they gave me a lift to the club house on there quad bike so i could get a lift to hospital again, i broke my foot on the local reef while sailing, i made it to the beach but could not walk.
Both times they did this with heaps of care and not one ounce of complaining. these guys do this every day and will go into the ocean in any condition to help people out, anyone who has negative comments about these guys or the great work they do, are pretty lame..

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

19 Apr 2008 11:09am

Even though Bondi Rescue is protrayed as some kind of real life docu-drama,
it's really just a mockumentry fashioned by a bunch of creative scriptwriters in the backrooms wacking-out storylines.
The TV programme showed the kook-kiter in a dangerous situation....
getting death-dragged due to a tangled rig hooked-up to a psycho-kite.
But what was missing from the script was the rescue.
Where was the Bondi rescue ?
Where are the lifeguards when you really need them ?
The director would have been instructing the cameraman to keep the film rolling...."keep it rollin".
But there was no one directing the lifeguards to rescue the kiter.
Maybe rescue-ing kiters behind psycho-kites isn't in the training manual.
Well, for the record....
This is what you do.
You jump on them.
lol.
You don't touch the bar, you don't touch the lines, you don't touch the kite.
You just jump on the kiter.
Easy.

There was a frozen moment, a pregnant pause....
when the kiter came to rest after being death-dragged for a distance.....
He had this stupid look on his face that either meant that he was totally clueless about what to do next,
or he had some kind of brain-freeze due to panic,
or he was just looking around for the right camera angle to capture his best profile.

Anyway, whatever the reason for that stunned-mullet moment,
that scene would have been the perfect opportunity for the director to send in the troops.
Three big burley lifeguards jumping on him
lol.
Now that's a great shot....that's a wrap.

Pugwash

7733 posts

Pugwash

WA, 7733 posts

19 Apr 2008 11:21am

Good, got it:

pierrec45

NSW

2005 posts

pierrec45

NSW, 2005 posts

20 Apr 2008 2:46am

> a pregnant pause

?? wtf, poetic in some way, much like the justice in the video itself.

pierrec45

NSW

2005 posts

pierrec45

NSW, 2005 posts

20 Apr 2008 4:11am

> Surley if you had some sponsership in windsurfing you have some
> snaps of that as well...

What happened with this one, did he end up posting something?

> I even have a mag cover shot!!

We weren't talking about gay mags, more interested in windsurfing.

Seriously, regarding kiting in general, I noticed last year that kiters would never ever come back exhausted from a run, as I do when I windsurf (I seldom use harness).

I'll check that out this year (it's spring here in N.A.) and let you'z know. Perhaps I didn't see the right mob...

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

20 Apr 2008 6:41am

pierrec45 said...

> Surley if you had some sponsership in windsurfing you have some
> snaps of that as well...

What happened with this one, did he end up posting something?

> I even have a mag cover shot!!

We weren't talking about gay mags, more interested in windsurfing.

hahahahah.

I just got this mental picture of Piere lurking around in the bushes spying on the kiters to "see if they are exhausted" Hohohohohohoho!

I will make sure I have my boardies on over my wetsuit !

mr plod

49 posts

mr plod

49 posts

20 Apr 2008 7:14am

user said...

Sorry Plod,I had something ,like ,usefull to do !

In answer to your question.........

We,as responsible kiters,and the AKSA (Aust kitesurfing Association) are trying our best to self regulate and promote safe kiting.

Kitesurfing is BANNED at Bondi, for good reason.At most times it is too crowded,and we don't wish to have a member of the public hurt or inconvenienced.
There are many tourists at Bondi,and unfortunately Euro kiting tourists have a reckless reputation.

The Guy that went out was experienced and knew of the bans.
Hence, RESPONSIBLE kiters are not very happy about his actions and the very public coverage.

We are trying very hard to get the message across that WE as a community will not tolerate reckless and dangerous behavior.

Hope that helps.

Oh and for those amongst you,rubbing your grubby little hands together with glee about kite bans,the windsurfers tried that on Maui. Not only didn't it work,it looks the windsurfers might now become effectively banned . There is a strong proposal in the Council to prohibit WINDSURFING within 200 ft of ANYONE in the water !Surfers included.

If it happens, ONE swimmer or Surfer out at Hookipa etc. means NO windsurfing.They have already had POLICE come down and confiscate someones gear.I understand that Josh Stone became involved.He must be worried,making a living from short term windsurf specific rentals. They are also tring to shut THAT down as well. Presumbably to get rid of the Windsurfers and make way for developers.

So be warned,you try to take down Kitesurfers you might go down with them !

They seem to be OK with kitsurfers .
No one swims at Kite Beach anyway ,and kiting is already taboo at Hookipa most of the time...so no great loss.

User, you say you act on behalf of all responsible kiters out there, trying to establish a safe and responsible image for kitesurfing with the general public. But then you get on this thread and try your hardest to piss off as many people as possible wth no other goal than to amuse yourself. A bit of a contradiction. I think its kiters like you that do more damage to your silly little sport than anything I saw on tv. Maybe if you as intelligent as you want everyone to believe you are, you should think about what you actually acheive with your crud, and the damage you inflict on the perception of your sport.

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

20 Apr 2008 7:57am

Another

dude !

I can't believe this is still going !
What was the point of this thread in the first place ?

An attempt to mock and deride kitesurfing !
When it was pointed out by me,a whole lot of serious dudes started jumping up and down !

I hope Laurie has a "pay per click" deal or something with the advertisers on this site.

This is getting plenty of hits for sure !

Me-

You-

mr plod

49 posts

mr plod

49 posts

20 Apr 2008 7:59am

not much of I reply. Guess youve never thought about it eh?

Mobydisc

NSW

9029 posts

Mobydisc

NSW, 9029 posts

20 Apr 2008 10:19am

user said...

Another

I hope Laurie has a "pay per click" deal or something with the advertisers on this site.

This is getting plenty of hits for sure !

Me-

You-

Don't try and claim the high moral ground. Plenty of times you come into this forum trolling in threads that have nothing to do with people putting kiting down.

If you only contributions here are to tell us how great you are and how stupid windsurfing is then why don't you go away until you have something else to say?

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