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kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
27 Jan 2008 12:48pm
Yep, have to agree with what most of the whingers have to say. Please keep in mind thought, it's not just windsurfers that are getting taken out.
Kiting will be banned at most beaches in the future unless something is done about it. Everytime I bring it up though, I get shot down in flames!
It's not kiting in general that is causing the dramas. It's the blokes that buy gear off ebay or the internet and don't have lessons or get their friends to teach them. Unfortunatley the sport also seems to attract a lot guys interested only in showing off...will almost always kite in front of a crowd. I've been kiting breaks up north with the territorial Euro windsurfers (who have seen 1000% worse congestion back home) but by the end of the session are happy to share the water with me. In other words, it's the kitesurfing, it's a few individuals. This can be controlled but there is no institution that can do it.
I am personally hoping that it will evetually go the way of windsurfing where the popularity of the sport died after booming in the 80s (everyone was doing it!)
And for the record...kiting has it over windsurfing for freestyle (without a doubt) but windsurfing owns the waves...but this is/will change!
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:45pm
Yeah - freestyle dragging along the beach - freestyle lack of consideration for other water users and freestyle arrogance - too afraid to lose a bit of ground and stick to the rules of the surf!

There are a few good crew around but theres a s**tload that just seem to want to own the hundred metres around em.

I've had a few experiences at Kent reserve and seacliff with out of control kiters - - they seem to get out of control so easy and its me / windsurfers that has to drop my sail and drop in the water & hope that my heads not taken off by the lethal strings. What response - all smiles like hey I m good at this - who gives a rats I'm a tea bagger so I am cooler so I can do what I want.

That feels better now - I've been watching this thread for a while and just couldn't hold back any longer

ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
27 Jan 2008 3:30pm
kiterdan said...

Yep, have to agree with what most of the whingers have to say. Please keep in mind thought, it's not just windsurfers that are getting taken out.
Kiting will be banned at most beaches in the future unless something is done about it. Everytime I bring it up though, I get shot down in flames!
It's not kiting in general that is causing the dramas. It's the blokes that buy gear off ebay or the internet and don't have lessons or get their friends to teach them. Unfortunatley the sport also seems to attract a lot guys interested only in showing off...will almost always kite in front of a crowd. I've been kiting breaks up north with the territorial Euro windsurfers (who have seen 1000% worse congestion back home) but by the end of the session are happy to share the water with me. In other words, it's the kitesurfing, it's a few individuals. This can be controlled but there is no institution that can do it.
I am personally hoping that it will evetually go the way of windsurfing where the popularity of the sport died after booming in the 80s (everyone was doing it!)
And for the record...kiting has it over windsurfing for freestyle (without a doubt) but windsurfing owns the waves...but this is/will change!


you guys have been singing that same old story for years about kite waveriding. If kiting is getting to big why dont you help out and quit
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
27 Jan 2008 1:56pm
user said...

I windsurfed for years,then got sick of watching kiters ripping it up in 12 knots. gave it a go and never looked back.



User,
Your pride is clouding your judgement.
Tell these poleys nothing....take them nowhere.
Pimping kites to polesurfers is pissing into the wind.
Poleys are scared rabbits caught in the headlights.
If by chance a few brave ones venture across the road....
to the darkside,
Is kiting any richer for it ?
A few extra kite-kooks in the break is a nett loss.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:12pm
It's that attitude that causes bad blood mate. If I quit kiting to help kiting, perhaps you should shoot yourself to help humanity...then we're even?

As I said, it's unfortunate that kiting attracts these crowds. Believe me when I say, there is crew on both sides of the fence that feel the same.

See you on water...instead of these forums.
ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
27 Jan 2008 4:23pm
ok then you quit first
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:33pm
Looks to me reading all this that the kite crew are a very sensitive bunch of people regarding their chosen sport. So I took a look at the kite forum and my suspicions vindicated when you read the argument style for and against in this topic.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34575

There are amateurs on both sides who are still learning, and showoffs who think its cool to be crashing and banging close to other water uses.
We should try to respect the "other" water users one hundred percent of the time.
Regardless of what sport you have chosen, or switched too, good for you, at least your doing something you enjoy.
I think TonyC just went fishing for kiters, and by the looks of it without too much bait[}:)][}:)]
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
27 Jan 2008 5:42pm
This is better than TV any day
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
27 Jan 2008 6:00pm
wind brothers unite against the common enemy...the JETSKIERS.............
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
27 Jan 2008 5:01pm
For crying out loud, lets stop this crap, where's the Seabreeze humour we all love

And as for who's sport is better, I still can't work out why anyone would play golf
brady
brady
TAS
454 posts
TAS, 454 posts
27 Jan 2008 7:15pm
the abuse hurled at kiters on this thread makes me feel too sad to be angry. A whole lot of personal insults flying back and forth.

Unfortunately at least a proportion of the grief directed at us is deserved. I see bad behaviour pretty commonly. But I see it from both sides.

The fact that so much venom towards kiters exists suggests that a few kiters need to take a serious look at some of their behaviour. Obviously a few toes have been trodden on. But do not make the mistake of assuming all kiters are like this - I've been on the receiving end, and it seriously wrecked my day, and left me feeling gutted and angry for a week or so

I think I'm glad I left Perth. Loved the wind, but the bedlam on the river sounds terrifying, and I think I would be spending most of my time worrying when some tosser's bad behaviour is going to result in the banning of my favourite pass-time. Well, if it's gonna happen, make sure it doesn't happen before October, coz I'm coming over for a few weeks.

One of the prevailing attitudes among some windsurfers, evident on this thread is "we were here first". What's with that? That is SO not a rational or defensible argument. A small proportion of windsurfers need to improve their attitutdes. Kiting is a very rapidly growing sport, and the waters will be becoming more congested whether you like it or not (and I know I don't). If bad attitudes keep up, it will gnaw away at you souls, turning your still beating hearts blackened and shrivelled, and ultimately leaving you empty inside.

Of course, that does leave more room for beer, so it can't be all bad!

I just love melodramatic writing!


Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
27 Jan 2008 6:16pm
To quote a common line from Moe of the Three Stooges. SPREAD OUT!
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
27 Jan 2008 9:39pm
kiterdan said...

And for the record...kiting has it over windsurfing for freestyle (without a doubt) but windsurfing owns the waves...but this is/will change!

I'd refute those claims. Kite freestyle whilst there are a lot of 'tricks' they are almost all the same or some small variation of another. There is a picture floating around on here which lists all the grabs, each one corresponding to a different trick. To be honest I thought it was a piss take but apparently it's not. Freestyle windsurfing whilst it probably doesn't have as many tricks, the variety and difference between a lot of the moves is massive requiring an incredibly wide skill set. It takes years and years to learn even some of the basic freestyle tricks in windsurfing (unless you live in bonair) you can't say the same about kiting. There's a bloke at my local break, been kiting 1.5 years and i'd class him incredibly advanced.

Waves..well watch the PWA event from '07 at Carbo Verde, kitesurfing will never ever achieve anything like that in terms of wave riding.

That all said I have no problem with kiters in general and their choice of sport. I'm out numbered 6:1 at my local break but all the guys are pretty advanced so we never have any problems. As has been said previously, there are idiots in both sports who do nothing but tarnish their respective sports reputation with their lack of common courtesy and respect.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
27 Jan 2008 9:59pm
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:Edit as I hit the wrong key.

The problem with board kiting, as I have said before is the amount of space it takes up. Spatial inequality is a real issue on crowded beaches and the amount of space board kiting takes up is at the expense of other users of the beach.

Added to this is some kite boarders have a selfish attitude. If we have three beach users. The first, Bill, wants to go for a swim. The second, Jim, wants to go windsurfing. The third, Ian, wants to go kite boarding.

So Bill goes to the beach. He takes up the space his body occupies. He can be selfish and spread out his towel. He can act like an idiot and throw sand at people. However the amount of problems he can cause on his own is small unless he is criminally minded. Chances are he is not going to cause a problem and other beach users will not mind Bill being there.

Jim turns up at the beach. He needs some area to rig up, maybe 20 square meters. He goes out for a sail. He takes up a fair bit more room than Bill the swimmer, with his gear. If he acts like an idiot he might gybe in areas where people are swimming. He might go charging out through the break and back, pissing off people waiting for waves. At worst he will hit someone and cause injury or death. Despite this its probable Jim won't do these bad things and will go sailing responsibly. So Jim might piss some people off because his gear gets in their way on the beach or when he is rigging, but thats about it.

Finally Ian turns up. He gets his kite out. Ian needs a fair bit of room to setup his kite. Then he has to fly it, to get down to the beach. His board is small but his kite is huge. If Ian acts like an idiot he could start doing jumps close to people. Ian's kite might go horizontal, thereby taking up a large amount of space, and creating potential danger to many people on the beach. However chances are Ian will kite responsibly. Despite this some people will get pissed off as they have to get out of the way of Ian and his kite, which takes up so much room.

It doesn't matter how responsible a kite boarder is. The amount of room their kit takes up is the problem.





Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
27 Jan 2008 10:15pm
lets unite and fight against 25+ foot boats with less than 4 people on board from cruising the SE QLD broad-water hour after hour, drinking 30+litres of juice per 100km never have i seen so much wasted petrol until today
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
28 Jan 2008 12:51am
Richiefish said...

wind brothers unite against the common enemy...the JETSKIERS.............


Yeah[}:)]

Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
28 Jan 2008 1:30am
Brothers, the time has come to arm ourselves...

I think I can get a nice deal on some used AK-47s
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
28 Jan 2008 1:38pm
Well i am into lawn bowls and i think your all ****s.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
28 Jan 2008 4:28pm
Lawn Bowls - don't start us on lawn bowlers - hat wearing beer swilling sipping old folks - driving there commodores - disregarding water restrictions so they can chuck some wobbly balls down a bit of grass - using there club staus to sell cheap beer and food - while the women folk sip on sherry and chardie

S**t - think I fit most of the criteria - Where can I sign up
trevor1
trevor1
WA
598 posts
WA, 598 posts
28 Jan 2008 5:15pm
yawn
brady
brady
TAS
454 posts
TAS, 454 posts
29 Jan 2008 12:44am
CJW said...

kiterdan said...

And for the record...kiting has it over windsurfing for freestyle (without a doubt) but windsurfing owns the waves...but this is/will change!

I'd refute those claims. Kite freestyle whilst there are a lot of 'tricks' they are almost all the same or some small variation of another. There is a picture floating around on here which lists all the grabs, each one corresponding to a different trick. To be honest I thought it was a piss take but apparently it's not. Freestyle windsurfing whilst it probably doesn't have as many tricks, the variety and difference between a lot of the moves is massive requiring an incredibly wide skill set. It takes years and years to learn even some of the basic freestyle tricks in windsurfing (unless you live in bonair) you can't say the same about kiting. There's a bloke at my local break, been kiting 1.5 years and i'd class him incredibly advanced.




If it takes that many years to develop the skills for top freestyle pole-boarding, how good will the kiters be after that long?[}:)]
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
28 Jan 2008 11:25pm
brady said...

CJW said...

kiterdan said...

And for the record...kiting has it over windsurfing for freestyle (without a doubt) but windsurfing owns the waves...but this is/will change!

I'd refute those claims. Kite freestyle whilst there are a lot of 'tricks' they are almost all the same or some small variation of another. There is a picture floating around on here which lists all the grabs, each one corresponding to a different trick. To be honest I thought it was a piss take but apparently it's not. Freestyle windsurfing whilst it probably doesn't have as many tricks, the variety and difference between a lot of the moves is massive requiring an incredibly wide skill set. It takes years and years to learn even some of the basic freestyle tricks in windsurfing (unless you live in bonair) you can't say the same about kiting. There's a bloke at my local break, been kiting 1.5 years and i'd class him incredibly advanced.




If it takes that many years to develop the skills for top freestyle pole-boarding, how good will the kiters be after that long?[}:)]


incredibly strung out!c'mon guys we're all wind driven so let's go after the irresponsible ones[}:)]
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
921 posts
WA, 921 posts
29 Jan 2008 1:39am
It seems to me that this thread represents the same thing as what's happening on the water. In both cases this is our little area to surf and express ourselves but a small handful of kiters just can't keep to their forum or patch of water and feel the need to intrude on our space to stir things up to make themselves feel good without giving a damn about the friction and dangers they cause.
I would like to thank the kiters who respect our space but their the ones who don't visit here as I don't belong there.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
29 Jan 2008 5:09pm
Mr. No-one said...

It seems to me that this thread represents the same thing as what's happening on the water. In both cases this is our little area to surf and express ourselves but a small handful of kiters just can't keep to their forum or patch of water and feel the need to intrude on our space to stir things up to make themselves feel good without giving a damn about the friction and dangers they cause.
I would like to thank the kiters who respect our space but their the ones who don't visit here as I don't belong there.


Mr No One you will always be a nobody !!

What a whiner!
Kiters "intruding on your little space"
Gimme a break !

I check this forum to catch up with the windsurfing news and what my old windsurfing buddies are up to,like the great shots from the Nats in Tassie. So,thank you very much for the welcome.

I like windsurfing. I like windsurfers (most of them)but I just kite now,and am happy to share the water and the Forum with Windsurfers.
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
29 Jan 2008 8:44pm
User said:
Mr No One you will always be a nobody !!

And what wrong with that??
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
29 Jan 2008 7:36pm
Nothing!

Its cool !
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
921 posts
WA, 921 posts
29 Jan 2008 10:17pm
Calm down princess, I used to like reading your comments but somethings got your panties in a bunch in this thread long before my post.For one you mention that kites will own the waves, what's more provoking than these kind of comments to wavesailers. Having been one yourself you should know better than most. User, your've changed man, you used to be cool.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
30 Jan 2008 9:08am
Mr. No-one said...

User, your've changed man, you used to be cool.



Its all that looking up in the sun.


choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
30 Jan 2008 9:34am
firiebob said...

For crying out loud, lets stop this crap, where's the Seabreeze humour we all love

And as for who's sport is better, I still can't work out why anyone would play golf


What's wrong with golf Firiebob i haven't played for about 12 months but i have won a club championship
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
30 Jan 2008 12:04pm
Richiefish said...

wind brothers unite against the common enemy...the JETSKIERS.............


Yup. They're loud and they stink! So do their jetskis!!
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