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greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
15 Oct 2005 12:46am
the great thing about the ocean is the fear of the unknown. keeps a lot of people from entering it.
those of us who are in "the know"
live for every second.
whether it be kiting,windsurfing,fishing,swimming,diving etc.
sharks?
share and be aware.
or move to the gold coast.
still plenty of shark nets here.
they kill lots of marine life.
corey pulled a drowning turtle out of one a couple of years ago.can anyone help the gold coast with this issue?
lots of by catch.dolphins,whales.
tragic!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
15 Oct 2005 3:03am
quote:
Originally posted by windangoesoff
i hear they don't like yellow ??


4 what its worth
Ive asked around a few fisher mates & overwhelming concensus is that least favoured lure colour is Green (unless ur squidding).
SO - uber, gls & other sharkanoids out there.
GO GREEN - green board, green booties, green boardies over green wetty, green vest, green gath & green kite. Totally safe
Hey gls - does the shark zapper come in green if it dont it should
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
16 Oct 2005 10:56pm
Not green Puppet, but all the same I've had plenty of people asking me about it. I should have set myself up as a dealer :-)

I solved a mystery last night. The day after the shark attack at Scarborough beach a few weeks ago, it was Dale Stanton who saw a shark coming in towards him as he was heading out. I had thought was Ryland (sorry mate). He turned his kite and went straight back to the beach. We had the opening season the following day.

Yesterday I heard that some girls in a surf ski at Cottesloe were circled and nudged by a bronze whaler.

This is seriously important guys. Cottesloe is my favourite beach. Just imagine if those girls were not in a boat. Would the shark have just nudged them. It was obviously interested enough to come close enough to bump them.

I'm not going out without a fully charged battery in my Shark Shild. And I'm going to wait a few more weeks for the water to warm up and the shark patrols to start up. And no more kiting at dusk (dinner time).

Graeme
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Oct 2005 11:05pm
In Bali Green wearing green boardies surfing/in the water are unlucky dunno why but i've never worn green boardies rashie etc since just in case.
wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
17 Oct 2005 1:49am
In Bali a few years back an Amercian student got chomped at Green Balls, luckily for him it wasnt a shark that bit him but a big barracuda, and he was ok, but with a nasty chomp out of his leg for his souvenir.
wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
17 Oct 2005 1:57am
Dunno if he was wearing green boardies or not. In indo I have seen heaps of sharks, and some big weird looking sharks, as big as 15 foot at least that look like a tiger shark but have a big tail like a thresher shark, maybe someone knows more on this?
wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
17 Oct 2005 2:12am
Also here in Nth NSW there are heaps of sharks with the last two fatals by Great Whites. Recently some blokes were fishing in there tinny when a great white circled their boat and then began harassing them. They were freaked a bit but took a couple of photos and it was in the paper. There have been stories of local shark fishermen hooking up to big sharks and then they get hit and they reel in the head and part of the body of a 12" Tiger Shark. That means there must be some big *%#@*F!!^$#**!! sharks!
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
17 Oct 2005 4:38am
.... and they are very attracted to yellow.......
... and there most sensitive method of finding prey is actually sound... then scent, then sight, which is why whenever there has been a shipwreck in history ( lots of big noises and bangs) the sharks show up within 20-30 minutes and then frenzy when they see all the blood in the water.

they have two main bites... the exploritory which involves puncturing the flesh, and the devouring , which can be either holding onto the flesh indefinately , or a deep bite, when their hungry with lots of thrashing to strip the flesh and bone off completely.

When sharks are in the "questioning" mode and they feel the need to test bight , and they get close then feel the electronic zap of the shark zapper... they tend to get timid.. but if they are in hunting mode ( bight and rip), there is nothing that will stop them and the zapper may even add to the excitement for the shark... as noted by the abalone diver who had his legs ripped off, and when they pulled him aboard.. the zapper was still on and still zapping the water as they retrieved the rest of him.

and think why the chances of getting bitten are worse than lotto..a plane crash or anything..... it's because out of the australian population of 17 million that almost 100% drive in a vehicle every day... how many actually go in the water..... probably less than .001%, if it's a rainy cold day... maybe 1,000 people? australia wide... and how many of those people swim in shark infested waters...... probably even less.....10 people? i donno... then look at your average kiter during the summer months who manages to kite more hours than they spend in the car...is much further out than the standard deviation of people on the beach... , and doesn't dare jump and crach ontop of a known shark hotspot.... because... the statistics don't mean anything... if your a pilot flying a cropduster in a coiuntry with bad mechanics and bad fuel... your chance of having a plane crash just went up 10 000%.

The best thing to do if you see a shark is get the &%^% out of the water, and tell the life guards.., and don't kite at stockton .... cause statistics and eletronic zappers arent gonna save you!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
17 Oct 2005 11:02am
quote:
Originally posted by dachopper
.........and the devouring , which can be either holding onto the flesh indefinately , or a deep bite, when their hungry with lots of thrashing to strip the flesh and bone off completely.


Good work DH - just reduced summer kite crowding on every Oz beach by 33% at least wtg
airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
WA, 814 posts
17 Oct 2005 11:29am
kiting off leighton this last week has seen my mind play a number of cruel tricks on me after the close encounters/sightings around cottesloe

shags suddenly poping up in front of me, splahing noises, shadows from kites etc. are all playing havoc with my mind

certainly concentrating hard on those outside transitions. nothing too flambouyant!!
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
17 Oct 2005 1:10pm
33% less traffic :) i might be able to try a jump then
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
17 Oct 2005 1:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by dachopper

33% less traffic :) i might be able to try a jump then


Reckon U had better try a few - before you come home
You gotta at least TRY to keep up with the Stantons of this world
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
17 Oct 2005 1:58pm
Dont reckon the F1's will really cut it against the XBows though
You can always blame your equipment
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
17 Oct 2005 3:05pm
we'll see, he's headed over my way this week, and if he jumps bigger, thats because im using 05 gear and not 06 gear :)

the f1s have got eliptical tips so they sorta look like a bow, and have a 5th line bridal also , sadly i'm only getting 3 weeks to visit this christmass... managed to scam 8 somehow last year
Hammerhead
Hammerhead
NSW
118 posts
NSW, 118 posts
17 Oct 2005 5:31pm
quote:
The best thing to do if you see a shark is get the &%^% out of the water, and tell the life guards.., and don't kite at stockton .... cause statistics and eletronic zappers arent gonna save you!


Come on Chopchop, it's not that bad at Stockton!!!

Just think of them as moving sliders, with two kickers on their back.....
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
18 Oct 2005 10:59pm
Chopper, I have to admit I'm biased now, having invested in the Shark Zapper. But I did read the Coronors report about the diver in Adelaide and although he was wearing a zappe they found he wasn't wearing it properly which had rendered it ineffective. He didn't have it turned on while at the bottom and when the shark was probably swimming around and getting excited, and when he surfaced he had one end of it attached to the top of his regulator which protruded out of the water - again making it ineffective.

I hope I've convinced you ... that will help me help convince myself, something I really need to do.

I totally agree with your statistical analysis. I worked that one out for myself a long time ago.
Graeme
Uber
Uber
NSW
482 posts
NSW, 482 posts
19 Oct 2005 3:24pm
Hey Graeme, How have you found the Shark Shield so far? Is it zapping you much when your riding? I was floating around Boat Harbour the other day for over 1hr trying to relaunch in light winds.

Then after a couple of days I was talking to some locals and they were telling me very scary stories in that area like it is a Breeding ground for GW's in Summer and that there have been heaps of shark sitings in those waters.

I was lucky not to get chomped. I didnt look down into the deep so I didnt freek. Not a nice feeling!
ADS
ADS
WA
365 posts
ADS ADS
WA, 365 posts
19 Oct 2005 1:27pm
Get some counselling Uber, or don't enter the sea...
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Oct 2005 3:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by ADS

Get some counselling Uber


Good idea. Y not head to Pt. Lincoln for some of that 'get to know your fear' exposure type therapy
Reminds me of the tale of the Al Qiada terrorist instructor standing in front of his platoon, TNT strapped round his gut, plunger in hand saying "Now everyone watch carefully! Im only gonna show you this once"
full.contact
full.contact
NSW
89 posts
NSW, 89 posts
19 Oct 2005 6:55pm
I was thinking I was pretty close to 100% safe kiting on Central Coast, 3 big coastal lakes joined together with only a 15 metre opening to the ocean perhaps 1-2 meters deep (you can walk right across it) there have always been tales of big sharkies caught in there but last month a little Great white was caught 500m off canton beach (popular for weekenders and a nice kite spot) inside the lake system then today I see that a bull or bronze whaler was found swimming upstream at the entrance. One was coincidence enough!
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
19 Oct 2005 11:49pm
Hi Uber
I've only used it the one time so far but on that journey spent a lot of time off my board. The jolly thing did zap my trailing foot once and gave a kick big enough to make me fall off. It also did kick me a few times while I was swimming around. But it is not an issue and in fact is more reasurring to know that its turned on and really giving out a good pulse. It certainly wasn't a problem although I'll probably wear booties next time (I wear them when I kite in the river anyway but I don't think I need the shield there).

Two days beforehand we had a shark attack (small shark) at the beach, and the day after Dale Stanton (I posted it as being Ryland before) saw a shark at the same beach. But I felt perfectly happy swimming around 300m or so off shore. It gave me a heck of a lot more confidence.

Have you got one yet Uber?
Graeme
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
NSW, 609 posts
20 Oct 2005 10:16am
This post is quite funny he he

There are so many friggen sharks out there the paranoid folk would be horrified

You need to go out on a proffesional/commercial fishing boat to really see how many there really are, he he he, and how big they really get and how big they look in real life.

my best so far a 12 foot Oceanic blue shark what an absolutely incredible and impressive animal

The reality is there numbers are decreasing through illegal fishing/poaching from our Northern neighbours while our numbers (humans) are increasing rapidly leading to more bodies/humans (bait whatever) using/frequenting the water ways

Worldwide estimates state that 30 to 100 people a year are attacked. Analysis of over 1,000 case histories world wide, from the International Shark Attack File suggests an average of 30% are fatal.
This is consistent with Australian figures.

Earliest Australian recorded attack was in 1791, an indigenous female on the North Coast of NSW (fatal).

The following statistics are the compilation of reported shark/human interactions over a 200 year period. Note: Last fatal attack in Sydney Harbour - Marcia Hathaway (1963).

State Total

Attacks
Fatal Attacks Last Fatal Attack
NSW 243 72 1993 Byron Bay
QLD 223 71 2004 Opal Reef
VIC 34 7 1977 Mornington Peninsula
SA 49 21 2005 Glenelg Beach
WA 72 13 2005 Houtman Abrolhos Is.
NT 12 3 1938 Bathurst Island
TAS 21 5 1993 Tenth Is, Georgetown
Total 654 192 (as of Sept. 2005)

As of September 2005 for all Australian States combined:

In the last 20 years, there have been 25 recorded fatalities due to shark attack = averages 1.25 per year. (QLD = 7, SA =10, NSW = 1, TAS = 1, VIC = 0, WA = 6, NT = none).

In the last 20 years, there have been 26 recorded fatalities due to shark attack = averages 1.3 per year. (QLD = 7, SA = 11, NSW = 1, TAS = 1, VIC = 0, WA = 6, NT = 0).

In the last 30 years, there have been 38 recorded fatalities due to shark attack = averages 1.26 per year. (QLD = 13, SA = 13, NSW = 2, TAS = 3, VIC = 1, WA = 6, NT = 0).

In the last 40 years, there have been 45 recorded fatalities due to shark attack = averages 1.1 per year.
(QLD = 15, SA = 15, NSW = 3, TAS = 3, VIC = 2, WA = 7, NT = 0).

In the last 50 years, there have been 61 recorded fatalities due to shark attack = averages 1.2 per year. (QLD = 21, SA = 17, NSW = 8, TAS = 4, VIC = 3, WA = 8, NT = 0).

SHARK ATTACKS IN PERSPECTIVE:
There is an element of risk in any activity we undertake. To put the risk of being killed by a shark attack into perspective the following statistics illustrate the number of deaths associ-ated with water related activities in Australia.

Australian Bureau of Statistics


Total Accidental Drowning & Submersion Surfboard Riding Rock Fishing Skin Diving Drowned while swimming at an ocean beach, a river, lake, & SCUBA harbour, estuary, bay, or lagoon.
1994 419 of which 3 14 27 79 were FATAL
1995 441 of which 2 13 14 68 were FATAL

There were no recorded fatalities from shark attack in Australia in 1994 and 1 in 1995.

Compared to fatalities from any other form of water related activity the number of fatal shark attacks, from all reported shark encounters in Australia, is extremely low.

During the period 1968-91, in NSW alone, 121 rock fishermen were swept off the rocks and drowned and 37 surfboard riders drowned. In that same period 32 shark encounters were recorded with only 1 fatality reported.

Diving related deaths in Australia 1945 - 1987 = 292 (quote from Diving Accident Management in Australia, 1988). “Eleven Australi-ans were killed by lightning in the years 1983 to 1986”, (John Sedgwick, Lightning Natures Terrible Swift Sword, Readers Digest, January 1990).

On average there are 2-3 deaths per year from Bee stings in Australia (Dr van Nunen Royal North Shore Hospital Allergy Unit. Feb 3rd 1989. Manly Daily). Three people died from bee stings in 1995 (Aust. Bureau of Statistics). On average, there is less than one person per year killed by shark attack in Austra-lia over the last 200 years.

* Note: reduction in Tasmanian fatalities related to new evidence in 3 cases from the early 1800’s. Although initially recorded as fatal they were actually related to: 1) a drowning not a shark attack, 2) a recovery not a fatality, and 3) the initial report was later dismissed as a shark attack by shark experts. The new evidence has been added to the ASAF data resulting in 3 less fatalities in Tasmanian waters as of 28.12.2000.



puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
20 Oct 2005 9:48am
WOW
Dr. Bevo step up & collect ur funny black hat
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
NSW, 609 posts
20 Oct 2005 12:07pm
Hey puppy

I already got one

I love stats brings reality to the situation but I humbley admit I

feel a little uneasy at times surfing some of the "black water"

spots on the South Coast or spear fishing off the West end of Rotto

I have a video of some very ballsy fellows spearfishing off steep point these guys are seriously hardcore could you imagine floating in the water column chopping up tuna to attract fish to spear??

you should see what comes sniffing around Holy SH!T







Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
20 Oct 2005 4:58pm
stats smats.....

anyone want to do some fishing sometime, i was thinking we can introduce the same policy with carp to sharks.

to be more *legal* we can just say we are doing some research, similar to how Japan does so much research on whales.
Uber
Uber
NSW
482 posts
NSW, 482 posts
20 Oct 2005 6:49pm
Nice 1 Carl Thanks for those stats! Keep the stories coming Im almost cured!!!
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
20 Oct 2005 6:09pm
the grey nurse is considered harmless to humans, still that didnt stop me from swiming for the shoar at lightning speed
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
20 Oct 2005 8:20pm
We kill around 8000 tonnes of them in Australia each year. They kill how many of us? Fair's fair! I think kiters are way more likely to kill themselves than be eaten.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
20 Oct 2005 8:26pm
everyone knows the chances of being eaten, i am not worried about it really but this is how i look at it.
- kitesurfers are amognst the most frequent water users (inc chance)
- go out to deeper waters (inc chance)

The fact is that not that many people per year are actually that much i risk from being attacked compared to our total population. surfers are a lot more at risk admitably

i think people are just scared about the unknown, u cant tell me tobes u never ever think about sharks whilst ur kiteboarding.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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WA, 4263 posts
20 Oct 2005 7:21pm
You can never find a Thread Killer when you really need one.

Poor Relative, where are you ??
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