If people want i will contact him and ask?
(just a trivial side note thats all)
Well that adds a heap of confusion to the subject...
They may have had a few fatalities, but looking at their website, they seem to have had a lot of success, and it seems to be the only place making the location data freely available.
Another thing, it's been said a lot here that very little is known about the GWs, but that link is making some interesting claims which would refute that completely, such as;
They know-
- where the GWs congregate
- where they give birth
- where they feed
- where they go and where they'll go next
And apparently this knowledge has been around long before Ocearch.
So why are we told we know very little about the GWs?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
So why are we told we know very little about the GWs?
Some group wish to keep/ get more funding maybe?
Lets say the cull has happened, 20 x 3m+ sharks have been killed/culled of the WA coast.
Two days later another attack happens, kills a surfer in lets say Mandurah.
What do we do then? Kill 20 more just to sure?
Yep. The 20 found in that immediate area.
They are fish...we have to remember this very important fact. We are all okay with eating other species of fish, even vegetarians often count fish as something other than meat.
Maybe the problem here is the language - we need to introduce some fish management / we need to cull great whites...
Time for the cotton wool fellas, we need to modernise this debate.
Select to expand quoteRex said..kiterboy said..
So why are we told we know very little about the GWs?
Some group wish to keep/ get more funding maybe?
Finally we are getting somewhere...
My point has been always the same, that our state government has kept us very much in the dark on this issue. Its effecting business's, its effecting tourism in a massive way, its even effecting our school kids. Yesterday my daughter 12years old went to the beach of Quinns with her class. Most of the kids were too scared to swim past there knee's. My daughter was so completely gob smacked and said she was the only one to swim out deep. One of her friends started to cry as she was so sacred for my daughter. So a teacher and my daughter spent the rest of their time talking about the real issue. Drowning, rips currents.. One of the teachers made comment and my daughter explained it as "But its called living, if you just sit there on the beach not enjoying yourself, Then you're not living" Sounds like good advice to me
Sound advice. The sort of stuff the media is telling us the last two shark victims might have said.
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..
Yep. The 20 found in that immediate area.
They are fish...we have to remember this very important fact. We are all okay with eating other species of fish, even vegetarians often count fish as something other than meat.
Maybe the problem here is the language - we need to introduce some fish management / we need to cull great whites...
Time for the cotton wool fellas, we need to modernise this debate.
Thats fine but when do you stop the killing? 50? 100? 200?
Its a problem that isnt going to go away with knee jerk reactions.
Thing is more people will get taken, that Im sure of.
I don't get why you consider it knee jerk. Nothing has been done about it for a decade, other than sitting down with our knees under control and watching the news for the next victim. How long does it take before action is considered to be considered and not knee jerk?
We agree, more people will be taken. So you stop the killing when the killing stops. Or at least when it slows back down to what has been considered acceptable odds for the last very long time.
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I don't get why you consider it knee jerk. Nothing has been done about it for a decade, other than sitting down with our knees under control and watching the news for the next victim. How long does it take before action is considered to be considered and not knee jerk?
We agree, more people will be taken. So you stop the killing when the killing stops. Or at least when it slows back down to what has been considered acceptable odds for the last very long time.
Nothings been done because, well what the hell do you do? Its knee jerk because nobody has any idea how to fix it.
So if the killing keeps going you just keep killing sharks until it stops 
I can hear the banjoes from here 
Personally I dont think its the way but if it happens it happens, I wont try and stop it but I wont like it ether.....
Has anything been said yet regarding the fatality in Coffs I thought i heard it was a tiger, but i think not that far south
We've not really heard much about it TBH.. (Not saying we should have but compared to Gracetown, but I'm curios as to why that is, and if the guys n the East get as much media when its a WA attack)
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Has anything been said yet regarding the fatality in Coffs I thought i heard it was a tiger, but i think not that far south
We've not really heard much about it TBH.. (Not saying we should have but compared to Gracetown, but I'm curios as to why that is, and if the guys n the East get as much media when its a WA attack)
They really dont get that many attacks over there, bit rare. But they do have sharks, I did hear it was tiger as well.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
My point has been always the same, that our state government has kept us very much in the dark on this issue. Its effecting business's, its effecting tourism in a massive way, its even effecting our school kids. Yesterday my daughter 12years old went to the beach of Quinns with her class. Most of the kids were too scared to swim past there knee's. My daughter was so completely gob smacked and said she was the only one to swim out deep. One of her friends started to cry as she was so sacred for my daughter. So a teacher and my daughter spent the rest of their time talking about the real issue. Drowning, rips currents.. One of the teachers made comment and my daughter explained it as "But its called living, if you just sit there on the beach not enjoying yourself, Then you're not living" Sounds like good advice to me
Whether it's reasonable or not, the normal reaction from almost everybody is to stay very close to the shore when swimming at a beach where there has been a recent shark attack.
I clearly remember this being the reaction some years ago when there was a fatality at my local swimming hole.
Specially from tourists. For a year or two almost everybody stayed in knee deep water because the person who was attacked was in waist deep water.
I have noticed even now, not may people swim out deep.
This was reinforced when yet another got eaten more recently a few hundred metres from shore.
Like it or not, current events and how effectively we deal with them, will have a bad effect on WA as a tourist destination.
People do not come here with the expectation of being eaten, no matter how unrealistic that expectation is.
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..
I don't get why you consider it knee jerk. Nothing has been done about it for a decade, other than sitting down with our knees under control and watching the news for the next victim. How long does it take before action is considered to be considered and not knee jerk?
We agree, more people will be taken. So you stop the killing when the killing stops. Or at least when it slows back down to what has been considered acceptable odds for the last very long time.
Knee jerk reaction? Now that's funny.
This was the term splashed around last year in the same discussion.
And here we are more than a year later having still done NOTHING, and the proposition that we finally do SOMETHING is considered a "knee jerk reaction".
Geeeez! How slow does a response have to be before it is not considered a knee jerk reaction?
The present rate of action makes a glacier look fast.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Well that adds a heap of confusion to the subject...
They may have had a few fatalities, but looking at their website, they seem to have had a lot of success, and it seems to be the only place making the location data freely available.
Another thing, it's been said a lot here that very little is known about the GWs, but that link is making some interesting claims which would refute that completely, such as;
They know-
- where the GWs congregate
- where they give birth
- where they feed
- where they go and where they'll go next
And apparently this knowledge has been around long before Ocearch.
So why are we told we know very little about the GWs?
I'm not from WA but I can't help posting in this personalised WA thread.....just would like to ask the Question how many surfers and beach users do you think you have on the West coast? It would be great to get the stats. Has the surf been good? WaterTemperature? Lots of wildlife?
Select to expand quotesouthace said..kiterboy said..
Well that adds a heap of confusion to the subject...
They may have had a few fatalities, but looking at their website, they seem to have had a lot of success, and it seems to be the only place making the location data freely available.
Another thing, it's been said a lot here that very little is known about the GWs, but that link is making some interesting claims which would refute that completely, such as;
They know-
- where the GWs congregate
- where they give birth
- where they feed
- where they go and where they'll go next
And apparently this knowledge has been around long before Ocearch.
So why are we told we know very little about the GWs?
I'm not from WA but I can't help posting in this personalised WA thread.....just would like to ask the Question how many surfers and beach users do you think you have on the West coast? It would be great to get the stats. Has the surf been good? WaterTemperature? Lots of wildlife?
I've been wondering the same, thought by now someone may have had a guestimate on the numbers from the mid west to Esperance.
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ThinkaBowtit said..
I don't get why you consider it knee jerk. Nothing has been done about it for a decade, other than sitting down with our knees under control and watching the news for the next victim. How long does it take before action is considered to be considered and not knee jerk?
We agree, more people will be taken. So you stop the killing when the killing stops. Or at least when it slows back down to what has been considered acceptable odds for the last very long time.
Nothings been done because, well what the hell do you do? Its knee jerk because nobody has any idea how to fix it.
So if the killing keeps going you just keep killing sharks until it stops
I can hear the banjoes from here
Personally I dont think its the way but if it happens it happens, I wont try and stop it but I wont like it ether.....
I always thought knee jerk reactions were fast and furious, so a decade of blah blahdy blahing hardly fits the description, but it is getting people dead. Time for a new tactic.
It's not my banjo you can hear, but I admit I'm wary of people who have a higher opinion of fish than they do of humans...Actually, no, I can understand that, it's just that it's the wrong category of humans that are being picked off one by one.
I'm not promoting a cull that wipes out the species, no one else is either that I've seen. Seems it's a near impossible task anyway even if you wanted to, if past efforts are anything to go by.
I watched a doco last night on foxtel discovery, shark week every show is related to sharks.
Anyway I was amazed to see so many points of view and a or proof/research.
One that stood out was an underwater torpedo that followed a great white that had just been tagged and this thing honed in on the gw.
For a few hours this shark just cruised up and down the coast and what I always feared at many times was less than a 100 meters from swimmers. The scientists that were following it were about to phone the lifeguards to clear the water but the shark showed absolutely no interest.
I think a lot of us have been surfing in the water and had a great white around without knowing it, I'd hate to know how many times but I'm now convinced it would have happen to each one of us more than once
A fisho years back told me that he believed gracetown was where the gws had their young and that the sharks come here year after year..
I read today that in wa they weren't sure of where the gws nursery was, I am convinced it is around gracetown, and if you were to cull sharks in that area you would be actually killing a whole ecosystem the gws one...
The attacks I think without researching in this area have been between August and January... This is probably the times to take precaution in the south west..
I am in Albany ATM and jeez it really looks and feels sharky, I have spoken to a few people and when the salmon are running there are lots of sharks around. Now this coastline is not surfed by many, and many waves and spots go unridden everyday. If the number of people which surf the south west we're to surf the south coast I'm sure the number of attacks would greatly increase...
To sum up our governments and or experts know a little more than they are letting out, there are tons of sharks out there and 99% of the time you will be safe, I believe though that most of us here have been within a hundred meters of a great white and never knew.
Why hasnt some smart bastard come up with a bite proof wetty or at least areas in the wetty to stop teeth puncturing vital arteries.Kevlar is pretty light and strong.Seen a doco years ago with Valerie taylor testing out chainmail suit and worked well on smaller sharks.(obviousley no good for surfing).If you had something like this , may be the difference between an attack being fatal or not. Seems to me most attacks involve the lower limbs and the ones that dony make it bleed out through severed femoral artery or complete limb loss.Also if the shark took a test bite and found it not palatable another chance it wont bite a second time.Would be interesting to know what modern materials could witstand or at least limit the force of a large shark bite. I know this is a bit crazy , but i never said i was sane
Some interesting points in this..
www.supportoursharks.com/en/News/Miscellaneous/Articles/20131129/How_Stop_Shark_Attacks.htm
I also thought this might interest people a little as to why our oceans are dwindling in stocks. HK$4500 fine for a catch that sells for HK$30000…
www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1369919/marine-activists-say-fines-breaching-trawling-ban-are-too-low
And lastly it seems we aren't the only ones having trouble. Hawaii as well with 2 fatalities recently..
www.cbsnews.com/news/kayaker-killed-by-shark-in-hawaii/
Select to expand quoteharrysurfer said..
I watched a doco last night on foxtel discovery, shark week every show is related to sharks.
Anyway I was amazed to see so many points of view and a or proof/research.
One that stood out was an underwater torpedo that followed a great white that had just been tagged and this thing honed in on the gw.
For a few hours this shark just cruised up and down the coast and what I always feared at many times was less than a 100 meters from swimmers. The scientists that were following it were about to phone the lifeguards to clear the water but the shark showed absolutely no interest.
I think a lot of us have been surfing in the water and had a great white around without knowing it, I'd hate to know how many times but I'm now convinced it would have happen to each one of us more than once
A fisho years back told me that he believed gracetown was where the gws had their young and that the sharks come here year after year..
I read today that in wa they weren't sure of where the gws nursery was, I am convinced it is around gracetown, and if you were to cull sharks in that area you would be actually killing a whole ecosystem the gws one...
The attacks I think without researching in this area have been between August and January... This is probably the times to take precaution in the south west..
I am in Albany ATM and jeez it really looks and feels sharky, I have spoken to a few people and when the salmon are running there are lots of sharks around. Now this coastline is not surfed by many, and many waves and spots go unridden everyday. If the number of people which surf the south west we're to surf the south coast I'm sure the number of attacks would greatly increase...
To sum up our governments and or experts know a little more than they are letting out, there are tons of sharks out there and 99% of the time you will be safe, I believe though that most of us here have been within a hundred meters of a great white and never knew.
They call that having a positive shark interaction and most people would be unaware I will be down surfing Albany for two weeks over xmas and If i have to have a encounter with a GW i'll go with this method thanks To be honest I'm still more scared of drowning down that way..
I just can't understand how anyone can say that the increase in incidents is purely down to the number of people using the water, of course there are more GWs, it is a simple conclusion to reach being that they are a protected species.
Even if some cultures still kill them, there's still a whole bunch more including us, that used to kill them, not killing them anymore.
Seems to be a self delusion to even suggest that GW numbers haven't gone up.
Even if the experts say that 'there is no evidence to show numbers have increased', well it goes both ways, and hence there is no evidence to show that they haven't increased.
Anyway...
GWs apparently have excellent vision, smell and hearing etc, so it makes me wonder why nothing has been developed to play on those senses as a deterrent.
Surely a device or wetsuit which emits an odor or other type of signal which tells the GW that 'this is really distasteful' could be made.
Nothing likes to eat something which it finds horrible tasting and learns to avoid eating it, there's plenty of examples in the marine animal world which inspiration could surely be taken from.
It's been said before that we taste horrible to GWs...
...using that same logic - most humans don't like brussel sprouts, that doesn't stop many from eating them still.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
I just can't understand how anyone can say that the increase in incidents is purely down to the number of people using the water, of course there are more GWs, it is a simple conclusion to reach being that they are a protected species.
Even if some cultures still kill them, there's still a whole bunch more including us, that used to kill them, not killing them anymore.
Seems to be a self delusion to even suggest that GW numbers haven't gone up.
Even if the experts say that 'there is no evidence to show numbers have increased', well it goes both ways, and hence there is no evidence to show that they haven't increased.
Anyway...
GWs apparently have excellent vision, smell and hearing etc, so it makes me wonder why nothing has been developed to play on those senses as a deterrent.
Surely a device or wetsuit which emits an odor or other type of signal which tells the GW that 'this is really distasteful' could be made.
Nothing likes to eat something which it finds horrible tasting and learns to avoid eating it, there's plenty of examples in the marine animal world which inspiration could surely be taken from.
That gets me thinking. I have a pet lizzard at home (Bearded Dragon) and we feed it crickets etc. Few weeks ago I found a grasshpper and put it in the tank. He gets feed crickets alot and I thought the grasshopper would be ok. Didnt touch it and I couldnt work out why.
The hind legs of the grasshopper were bright red and this is the reason that the lizzard wouldnt touch it because red is bad in the lizzard world.
Red = poison.
So I wonder if there is a colour that sharks dont like?
Select to expand quoteSailhack said..
It's been said before that we taste horrible to GWs...
...using that same logic - most humans don't like brussel sprouts, that doesn't stop many from eating them still.
Gee, really thinking outside the box there. Good work.
Who said it and where's the proof that we taste horrible?
Regardless, there must be some other things GWs don't like eating and recognize on sight or smell.
Select to expand quoteWA71 said..kiterboy said..
I just can't understand how anyone can say that the increase in incidents is purely down to the number of people using the water, of course there are more GWs, it is a simple conclusion to reach being that they are a protected species.
Even if some cultures still kill them, there's still a whole bunch more including us, that used to kill them, not killing them anymore.
Seems to be a self delusion to even suggest that GW numbers haven't gone up.
Even if the experts say that 'there is no evidence to show numbers have increased', well it goes both ways, and hence there is no evidence to show that they haven't increased.
Anyway...
GWs apparently have excellent vision, smell and hearing etc, so it makes me wonder why nothing has been developed to play on those senses as a deterrent.
Surely a device or wetsuit which emits an odor or other type of signal which tells the GW that 'this is really distasteful' could be made.
Nothing likes to eat something which it finds horrible tasting and learns to avoid eating it, there's plenty of examples in the marine animal world which inspiration could surely be taken from.
That gets me thinking. I have a pet lizzard at home (Bearded Dragon) and we feed it crickets etc. Few weeks ago I found a grasshpper and put it in the tank. He gets feed crickets alot and I thought the grasshopper would be ok. Didnt touch it and I couldnt work out why.
The hind legs of the grasshopper were bright red and this is the reason that the lizzard wouldnt touch it because red is bad in the lizzard world.
Red = poison.
So I wonder if there is a colour that sharks dont like?
Exactly, hopefully there's a GW equivalent.
What about maybe a shark shield device that instead of transmitting an electrical signal, broadcasts the sounds of orcas?
That could attract orcas though I spose ;)
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..WA71 said..kiterboy said..
I just can't understand how anyone can say that the increase in incidents is purely down to the number of people using the water, of course there are more GWs, it is a simple conclusion to reach being that they are a protected species.
Even if some cultures still kill them, there's still a whole bunch more including us, that used to kill them, not killing them anymore.
Seems to be a self delusion to even suggest that GW numbers haven't gone up.
Even if the experts say that 'there is no evidence to show numbers have increased', well it goes both ways, and hence there is no evidence to show that they haven't increased.
Anyway...
GWs apparently have excellent vision, smell and hearing etc, so it makes me wonder why nothing has been developed to play on those senses as a deterrent.
Surely a device or wetsuit which emits an odor or other type of signal which tells the GW that 'this is really distasteful' could be made.
Nothing likes to eat something which it finds horrible tasting and learns to avoid eating it, there's plenty of examples in the marine animal world which inspiration could surely be taken from.
That gets me thinking. I have a pet lizzard at home (Bearded Dragon) and we feed it crickets etc. Few weeks ago I found a grasshpper and put it in the tank. He gets feed crickets alot and I thought the grasshopper would be ok. Didnt touch it and I couldnt work out why.
The hind legs of the grasshopper were bright red and this is the reason that the lizzard wouldnt touch it because red is bad in the lizzard world.
Red = poison.
So I wonder if there is a colour that sharks dont like?
Exactly, hopefully there's a GW equivalent.
What about maybe a shark shield device that instead of transmitting an electrical signal, broadcasts the sounds of orcas?
That could attract orcas though I spose ;)
Fricken heck bigger fish with bigger teeth
