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Shooting the breeze.

jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

7 Dec 2013 2:00pm

kiterboy said..

jbshack said...

kiterboy said..

Interesting...

~~http://www.thesharkstopper.com/~~

~~http://www.thesharkstopper.com/~~research.html

"To demonstrate the effectiveness of Sharkstopper???s repellent technology, the research team attached a big bloody tuna to the speaker that emitted the repellent sound. The tuna???s stayed intact for the duration of testing. Very few things can stop a Great White, so Sharkstopper was pleased with the results."

I like this bit

The company is currently designing a device that will assist Commercial Fishermen retain more of the fish that they catch. Twenty to thirty percent of the Commercial Fishing industries catch is destroyed by sharks.

They say later in that the sharks are destroying the commercial industry because the sharks are killing all the fish

But yes interesting, i hand't heard about Sharkstopper.. I guess there could be loads of products out there. I do like Katana's set up and the videos he has on his site are fairly conclusive

The surfsafe thing looks good, imagine something like that used in conjunction with an acoustic thing like the sharkstopper.
Double whammy on the sensory deterrent devices could be twice as effective.

Cool, so no need for a cull then

Its settled

rod_bunny

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rod_bunny

WA, 1089 posts

7 Dec 2013 4:14pm

Everyone loves sharks....

Fruit Salad Sharks!

Certainly all the kids at my boys 4th birthday party anyways

southace

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southace

SA, 4803 posts

7 Dec 2013 11:14pm

Dam missed a chat with Vic Hislop he was just 5 minutes from my current position.....The shark killer! how awesome would that of been....apparently my surfer mate that was speaking to him says he's gone all consavational.....but as I have no proof it's all a mystery for now.

southace

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southace

SA, 4803 posts

7 Dec 2013 11:44pm

kiterboy said..

At the end of the day, most people would like to avoid more attacks if possible, how are we going to achieve this?

Here's my attempt at a summary of options, feel free to add to it;

- Tagging - methods/techniques/technology = various
Purpose - early warning of sharks' locations to allow us to 'get out of their way'
Effectiveness - only as good as the number of sharks tagged and the system used to detect tagged sharks, not 100% effective.

- Stay out of the water completely
Purpose - take the fun out of life ;)
Effectiveness - 100%

- Deterrents - methods based on = visual, smell, taste, vibration, hearing, electroreception.
Purpose - avoid attacks completely by making us unappealing
Currently developed - shark shield type devices (electroreception), camouflaged wetsuits (visual)
Effectiveness of existing methods still in question, but hope exists for a 100% effective method to be developed.

- Culling (Selective slaughter) - methods = shooting, catching, shark nets, drumlines etc
Purpose - thin the numbers and or remove individual sharks perceived as a threat by proximity to an attack, identified as the culprit of an attack, or as a 'preventative' measure ie seen as posing an immediate threat.
Effectiveness - only 100% effective if all sharks are killed.

What say you guys?

What we think ? That's all a joke! How old are you? Do you actually process the boat people or do you just sweep the path what is your trade? You don't seem to give much away!

Toph

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Toph

WA, 1881 posts

7 Dec 2013 9:22pm

southace said..

Dam missed a chat with Vic Hislop he was just 5 minutes from my current position.....The shark killer! how awesome would that of been....apparently my surfer mate that was speaking to him says he's gone all consavational.....but as I have no proof it's all a mystery for now.

Southace, I think (from not the best of memory) that Vic Hislop has been consavational now for longer then being a shark killer. I was at his museum in Harvey Bay about 15 odd years ago and I certainly got that impression back then.

kiterboy

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kiterboy

2614 posts

7 Dec 2013 11:31pm

southace said...

What we think ? That's all a joke! How old are you? Do you actually process the boat people or do you just sweep the path what is your trade? You don't seem to give much away!

Shouldn't you be setting up your awesome tagging and receiver network?

Or at least you should be taking it to the authorities, they'll listen to you cause you're such a winner and have it all figured out.

Put your money where your mouth is, ~~champ~~ chump.
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jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

9 Dec 2013 2:24pm

www.facebook.com/events/437799746343352/

Just in case anyone wants any details on the Anti Cull protest

Im a little more released. It seems the Fisheries minister hasn't even talked to the Federal Government to get any sort of clarifications or approval for a cull. So it would seem an Culling to be done would still be in violation of Federal law..I believe that is why Barnet is talking about private contractors, because then he would not be breaking the law, the contractors would..

Luckily this state government couldn't organise a root in a broth-ell

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

9 Dec 2013 3:10pm

jbshack said..

www.facebook.com/events/437799746343352/

Just in case anyone wants any details on the Anti Cull protest

Luckily this state government couldn't organise a root in a broth-ell

Yes they can, and are very good at it

jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

10 Dec 2013 1:43pm

Well i ask you this question, seems everyone has moved on from this thread but sadly I'm still stuck here.

SO today the Powers to be have announced new plans to deal with the problem.

Tell me if you like them

First they will now permanently have BAITED drum lines at local beaches from January to April. 24 hours a day..So you will now be surfing with baited drums lines around you..Well to be far less than 1 km off shore..That should make you feel safe.

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

More boats, wahoo, my mate will be happy, more profit for him..Saw him the other night at a Industry night and he had the biggest smile from ear to ear..He said he'll retire sooner thanks to Sharks..

They have also announced a further $20 million dollars for the 2015 to 2016 program..$20 million dollars, but we can't afford to fix the roads, or the promised extension to the Children's hospital

I lost a Brother who was born with Cystic Fibrosis. I have a sister who has the CF as well. Do you know how much money our state government puts into fighting and research this decease yearly? Under $400,000..

SOme years the figure is half that..

~~http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8023~~

subasurf

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subasurf

WA, 2154 posts

10 Dec 2013 1:46pm

I was there this morning at the protest (filming) in the city.
The decision and the sheer stupidity of Barnett is truly astounding.

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

10 Dec 2013 1:46pm

^^ Far out the whole thing is a joke, baited drums, what next

jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

10 Dec 2013 1:59pm

subasurf said..

I was there this morning at the protest (filming) in the city.
The decision and the sheer stupidity of Barnett is truly astounding.

But it will be welcomed by surfers who want a cull..

I can't believe anyone would support $20 million to bait our beaches

subasurf

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subasurf

WA, 2154 posts

10 Dec 2013 2:02pm

jbshack said..

But it will be welcomed by surfers who want a cull..

...whom make up the extreme minority of surfers.

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

10 Dec 2013 2:13pm

jbshack said..

subasurf said..

I was there this morning at the protest (filming) in the city.
The decision and the sheer stupidity of Barnett is truly astounding.

But it will be welcomed by surfers who want a cull..

I can't believe anyone would support $20 million to bait our beaches

You and I could do it for half the cost JB

kiterboy

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kiterboy

2614 posts

10 Dec 2013 2:21pm

That's pretty messed up.

Did they say exactly how the 20mil will be spent?
That amount of money could definitely be better spent elsewhere.

Seems like more of a statement to placate the masses more than anything.

BUT, they are at least doing something, may not be ideal and probably a waste of money, but it is something, they can't be seen to be doing nothing, I do believe that like most of the time, they are out of touch with what the public want.

Has anyone got the answer?

Why hasn't a petition been made to state what the public doesn't like about the way Barney is handling the situation and how the public would actually like to be done about it?

The guys lobbying for the NBN did a similar thing and seem to be getting traction by starting some action here;
www.change.org/en-AU

You can't just say ' no culling' and leave it at that, the government is out of touch as always and should be told want the people want.

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

10 Dec 2013 2:40pm

I recon George Costanza could do a better job than Barnett

oz surf

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oz surf

WA, 407 posts

10 Dec 2013 3:09pm

jbshack said..

First they will now permanently have BAITED drum lines at local beaches from January to April. 24 hours a day..So you will now be surfing with baited drums lines around you..Well to be far less than 1 km off shore..That should make you feel safe.

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

The article said there will be baited drum lines 1Km from shore and surf breaks. That to me is not really surfing with them around you.

kiterboy

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kiterboy

2614 posts

10 Dec 2013 3:19pm

WA71 said..

I recon George Costanza could do a better job than Barnett

That must mean you have an opinion on what should be done.

What do you think should be done that would be better handled than Barney has done?

mickeeH

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mickeeH

WA, 71 posts

10 Dec 2013 3:43pm

WA71 said..

I recon George Costanza could do a better job than Barnett

It's been stated that it's "not a cull". so what's the problem guys?

southace

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southace

SA, 4803 posts

10 Dec 2013 6:30pm

Shark drums work great in Qld! just see on news beach evacuation in Stradbroke island maybe he's the one "that got away". Anyway yes 20 million should boost employment perhaps 5 more unemployed Ozzies might get some work!

subasurf

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subasurf

WA, 2154 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:00pm

It is essentially a cull. They are actively trying to lure in and catch sharks to kill them. Unfortunately they will also wind up catching a lot of non targeted sharks too...and not have any effect on public safety.
The east coast being a primary example.

burnsy11

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burnsy11

WA, 122 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:04pm

Fantastic News by the Barnett Government - best $20mil spent in a longtime -
will save a lot of lives & boost tourism. Hopefully the meat is put to good use in local restaurants, fish & chips & the asian export market.

Woodo

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Woodo

WA, 792 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:13pm

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

Are you then not concerned about the hundreds of cray pots deployed and baited daily all along our coast from 15th of October to the 30th of June every year?
There's just as much bait in 1 or 2 craypots if not more as there will be on 1 baited drum...

subasurf

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subasurf

WA, 2154 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:22pm

Woodo said..

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

There is a huge difference between the two, the biggest difference which is the part of the water column that the baits occupy.

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:28pm

kiterboy said..

WA71 said..

I recon George Costanza could do a better job than Barnett

That must mean you have an opinion on what should be done.

What do you think should be done that would be better handled than Barney has done?

If this works, and thats a big if, the amount of upkeep of the system will be massive.

Then what happens if there is another attack??

jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:29pm

oz surf said..

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

The article said there will be baited drum lines 1Km from shore and surf breaks. That to me is not really surfing with them around you.

Re read my quote. I said to be far less than a 1km offshore..

For the record i don't want to be surfing with in 1 km of a baited drum designed to attack large sharks..Do you

Dawn Patrol

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Dawn Patrol

WA, 1991 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:32pm

burnsy11 said..

Fantastic News by the Barnett Government - best $20mil spent in a longtime -
will save a lot of lives & boost tourism. Hopefully the meat is put to good use in local restaurants, fish & chips & the asian export market.

Don't know what they'll do with the meat, but you sure can't eat it!

WA71

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WA71

WA, 1382 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:32pm

Cant eat big sharks, give it a try if you like

jbshack

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jbshack

WA, 6913 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:32pm

Woodo said..

Not me in fact I'm not very happy about that at all

If you read back through my posts you will see I'm am concerned. But i normally don't surf with 1 km of cray pots..

I also said i don't like surfing when a recreational fishing boats drifts past leaving me sitting in his burly slick

pweedas

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pweedas

WA, 4642 posts

10 Dec 2013 4:33pm

jbshack said..

subasurf said..
I was there this morning at the protest (filming) in the city.

The decision and the sheer stupidity of Barnett is truly astounding.

But it will be welcomed by surfers who want a cull..

I can't believe anyone would support $20 million to bait our beaches

I hope you're not surprised jbhack.
I did say last year and again this year in the discussion on this topic, if nothing was done then the final result would be all all out cull.
Well, nothing was done except spend money on a lot of long term and mostly useless projects, so now we have the all out cull.

All along, if you really supported the preservation of the majority of sharks, you should have supported a very targeted removal of just a very few sharks in close proximity to, and immediately after the fatal attacks.
At least then you could have argued against the all out cull by saying something was being done, specially since by now it would have made a significant difference to the attack rate.
However, as it is, it was clear to everyone that nothing was being done, so we have the current anouncement of an all out cull.

I would have preferred the targetted cull but I'm still happy with the present announcement in comparison the the 'nothing' we had for the last ten years.

I wont be complaining.
Specially since the job will be given to commercial fishermen and not Fisheries.

Merry christmas.

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