MickPC said..
The first lockdowns were said to "flatten the curve". If you believe your local government was so concerned about access to hospital care, check their latest budget for health (hospital) spending, did it increase significantly? Here in West Oz I guess McClownman thought upgrading roads would improve the conditions for people waiting hospital admittance stuck in paramedic ambulance care out on curbside....maybe we've progressed to "flatten the curb".....on a serious note though, check worldwide deathrate, it remains unchanged, only the reason for death. No I will not take dodgy MRNA drugs for no reason. I will continue eating a healthy diet, exercising & taking C, D zinc vitamins. My fear is for the people having the MRNA drugs.....

Hey Mick,

I've been pretty tired the last couple of days cos of teething baby.

But I realise that most of us have just been jumping to a rather antagonistic response to your post.

We haven't actually addressed any of the actual (and valid) concerns you might have about this disease and the new vaccines.

So, if you want, tell us what is worrying or most concerning to you right now.

And some of us will actually try respond in a mature manner (as much as is possible on this forum)

Full disclosure, I'm not a medical professional or statistics guru. So some of my responses will contain links to people or organisations who are

Pugwash said..
First Pfizer done. So easy. No pain. No side effects.

Not sure why Bill Gates was administering it though... I guess it's part of his philanthropy efforts...

He has to do it personally so that no one else sees the microchips.

Are you sure there was no pain? Microchips are pretty big and very hard to get into a syringe.

MickPC said..
The first lockdowns were said to "flatten the curve.........

Did you see what the Queensland Chief Health Officer said today about the AZ vaccine ?

She advised under 40s don't have it (despite what ScoMo said earlier) because :

Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die....

So -....... is she saying the risk from the vaccine, whilst very small, is still greater than the acceptable risk from the disease for anyone under 40 ??? 'cause it sure seems like it comes across that way.....

The states can pile onto the feds for the vaccine schmozzle all they want (and pretty fair that they do) but when statements like this are made in press conferences, I don't think the states have much to throw at the feds really.

Actual epidemiologist short update on AZ and risk of specific blood clots.

yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/update-astrazeneca-and-blood-clots

"In younger people (<55 years) there remains concern, related in particular to CVST and DIC. For DIC, the committee expected <1 case among people under 50 within 14 days of receiving the vaccine. But 5 cases were reported. For CVST, the committee expected ~1 cases among this age group. But 12 were reported. This imbalance was not visible in the older population given the vaccine. "A causal link with the vaccine is not proven, but is possible and deserves further analysis."The benefits of the vaccine continue to outweigh the risk of side effects, even among those aged <55 years. We know that COVID19 causes blood clots. We know that the vaccine prevents hospitalization and death. And, we now know that there is a extremely small likelihood of developing DIC or CVST."

Carantoc said..

MickPC said..
The first lockdowns were said to "flatten the curve.........

Did you see what the Queensland Chief Health Officer said today about the AZ vaccine ?

She advised under 40s don't have it (despite what ScoMo said earlier) because :

Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die....

So -....... is she saying the risk from the vaccine, whilst very small, is still greater than the acceptable risk from the disease for anyone under 40 ??? 'cause it sure seems like it comes across that way.....

The states can pile onto the feds for the vaccine schmozzle all they want (and pretty fair that they do) but when statements like this are made in press conferences, I don't think the states have much to throw at the feds really.

President of the AMA said the same thing.

Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
...Microchips are pretty big and very hard to get into a syringe.

WTF ?

Are you not well read in the architecture of secret military grade nano-technology, mormon ?

It's so obvious even a child can see it. Do your own research.

It is meant to be a S E C R E T and you are doing a poor job of keeping it. Haven't you been reading your 'disinformation notes' for July? There is an update, so get on it. If the general public think microchips are too big for needles, we have won.

Just don't ask for any info on long-covid!

tarquin1 said..
My wife has bad blood circulation. She was told not to take the Astra by her friend that is a doctor.
Thats why they tell you to take aspirin before and for a few days after with the Astra. Aspirin thins your blood and reduces the risk of clots.
There was a womens movement group in the UK saying more women die from blood clots from the pill each year and no one cares. No idea if this is true.

In the UK 16,000-20,000 people die of the flu most years and no one takes much notice.

The real problem is we actually don't know a great deal.
Their are crack pot tin foil crew on one side and totally captured big pharma (and that includes the entire health system as a whole) profit driven motivations. And of course everyone else in between.
I see three disqualifying supports for the vaccine.


1. I've had it and it's fine. Just wait - we really don't know as yet.


2. my doctor said it's okay (or not okay for that matter. They are part and parcel of the system and also only human - very busy people - who generally will tow the line of what the health "agencies" are saying.

3. The WHO and also countries health agencies have changed their official stance on COVID matters more time than hot dinners. They to are prone to capture for less philanthropic ideals.


And the worst part of all of this is the blatant and obvious cencorship of any parties that run counter to what these large health agencies say is gospel.


that there is the biggest worry of all for COVID and just about any other important situation that arises in the future.


the bottom line is whatever stance you take, to say you are categorically correct - well that's the worst kind of ignorance.
we really just don't know.

Ian K said..

eppo said..
the bottom line is whatever stance you take, to say you are categorically correct - well that's the worst kind of ignorance.
we really just don't know.

So what problems can you see with the message given by the graph Driazone has posted ?

I'll have a crack at the problem(s) with a simple graph.

A graph like that represents a small fraction of the story.
What other health factors are involved with the people in the ICU that contributed?
How many people in the ICU are there for only having COVID, otherwise being completely healthy prior?
What are the exposure factors between all the people represented in the graph?

When will we get a graph representing the potential results from point 1 that Eppo made?

I got vaccinated today, and it was good to see so many people happy to do it. As you can imagine there are more people wanting it than there are spots, so the second shot will be in August.

I do seem to be liking the Liberal government more now and understand their policies a lot better. Hmmm... maybe there is something to this vaccine being a way to control us..?

The nurse was saying it would be nice if they could just line people up and vaccinate them all in a row. I understand her point as the waiting and checks take much longer and the actual injection is a whole 1 second of your time. I think it took about 3 minutes all up once you get to see the nurse, but I guess the limiting factor now is the supply of vaccines.

I thought that big red graph was going to scare some sense into me.
But just 180 people in a city of four and a half million, I still like my chances.
And I maintain, the best way to reduce the Covid toll is, stop smoking, lose weight, and stop aging or just get a grip and appreciate that old people die.

@IanK & @drlazone

You are right, to hell with critical thinking, let's not look into it at all, better to accept on face value right?

kiterboy said..

Ian K said..

...we ain't going to be back to normal until...

See this where you are mistaken; we're never going back to 'normal'.

Well whatever the new normal is we're a long way off joining it if vaccination turns out to be part of it. We've got 6% fully vaccinated, GB, US are at 50% Europe not far behind.

Carantoc said..

MickPC said..
The first lockdowns were said to "flatten the curve.........

Did you see what the Queensland Chief Health Officer said today about the AZ vaccine ?

She advised under 40s don't have it (despite what ScoMo said earlier) because :

Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die....

So -....... is she saying the risk from the vaccine, whilst very small, is still greater than the acceptable risk from the disease for anyone under 40 ??? 'cause it sure seems like it comes across that way.....

The states can pile onto the feds for the vaccine schmozzle all they want (and pretty fair that they do) but when statements like this are made in press conferences, I don't think the states have much to throw at the feds really.

Yes it was refreshing to hear a politician talking some sense for a change & I hope this line of thought continues before the idiots consider giving these drugs to children & adolescents.

When you look at the graph located here "COVID-19 deaths by age group and sex"
www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#cases-and-deaths-by-age-and-sex

And consider the deaths were people who died "with" covid, not so much "of" covid. These were vulnerable people with pre existing poor health, respiartory issues, immune defiency etc

Young people are not dieing from C19 because they tend to have good health. If your unlikely to be at risk from C19, putting yourself at risk from a C19 experimental drug is taking an unnecessary risk.