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Shooting the breeze.

japie

NSW

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japie

NSW, 7146 posts

7 Aug 2021 11:17pm

Mr Milk said..

japie said..

Mr Milk said..

japie said..

FormulaNova said..

japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"

Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.

Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?

If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.

P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.

The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.

Had the information been disseminated at that stage this thread would never have been started and Covid, along with all the scaremongering, would be history.

No vaccines, no injuries, lived saved, no lockdowns, no protests.

So you think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?

No Mr Milk I don't think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?

Otherwise how would we know about Ivermectin? And HCQ? And Zinc, and corticol steroids.

What I do know is that the doctors who came up with these protocols have had to fight tooth and nail against the WHO, the CDC, in Australia the TGA, MHRA in the UK (and pretty much every government health agency throughout the western world), to try to get the message out to the wider medical community.

Aided and abetted by the main stream media who are pretty much just an echo chamber for the WHO.

There are a number of countries who chose to ignore the recommendations who have had astounding results. All documented on the FLCCC website along with the trial results and the meta analysis.

No university hospitals or corporate medical organisations will entertain anything other than the WHO recommendations. Which is basically do nothing until you cannot breathe then present yourself at hospital where we will intubate you until you join the statistics.

Why won't they entertain anything else?

Look to their funding.

Relatives of dying Covid patients in state hospitals in the US have had to resort to court injunctions in order to force doctors to prescribe a harmless and effective medicine.

The reason is really simple to deduce.

The "vaccines" have emergency approval only as they circumvented the standard procedures usually involved in vaccine development.

The reason they have emergency approval is because there is supposedly no effective cure.

If you cannot get your head around that then you are seriously lacking in comprehension skills.

You are bonkers.
If hydroxychloroplacebomectin worked then it would have been adopted immediately. Do you think that thousands of doctors who are in treatment research forget the Hippocratic Oath when they gain their positions?
I'm comfortable with "emergency" authorisation of vaccines against an emergent virus. You think we should wait years before we deal with it?
And why would I care if American idiots sue doctors to make them use a meme drug on their relatives?

But I must yield to your superior knowledge. You've clearly been spending many years analysing public health economics and know that the funding mechanisms have been perverted to the benefit of Big Pharma. Do you put your money where your mouth is and own lots of shares in them?

You're a funny!

Have a little squiz at the money the pharmaceutical industry spends on lobbying in Washington alone.

Its quite a lot.
In fact it's more than double the amount spent by the next highest industry.

Then take a little squiz at how much they donate to hospitals.

And doctors

And medical learning centre

Billions and billions and billions of reasons as to why a large proportion of the medical fraternity are prepared to remain shtum at the expense of their conscience.
This worldwide push to "vaccinate" is a cash cow bigger than any cash cow they've ever dreamt of.

Except it was planned. Not dreamt.

FormulaNova

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FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

7 Aug 2021 9:44pm

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"

Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.

I know one in India
He was giving 12mg after meals for 3-5 days as a prophylactic for close contacts and all health care workers. Vipul is a gynaecologist but he ended up doing a lot with Covid. The image is the treatment protocol he sent me a while ago. I should see how he's going now.

So, from what was written there, he says that attributing the results to only Ivermectin would be a mistaken belief and that its a combination of things.

You should see if he has tried Ivermectin only to see if the results differ, or the same protocol without Ivermectin to see if they differ as well.

theDoctor

NSW

5786 posts

theDoctor

NSW, 5786 posts

8 Aug 2021 5:29am

japie said..
This worldwide push to "vaccinate" is a cash cow bigger than any cash cow they've ever dreamt of.

Except it was planned. Not dreamt.

this, this and only this.
you are profit and nothing else.
well, the willing indoctrination to the police state is an added bonus.
but if you truly believe this is all for public health, you are delusional

theDoctor

NSW

5786 posts

theDoctor

NSW, 5786 posts

8 Aug 2021 5:31am

theDoctor

NSW

5786 posts

theDoctor

NSW, 5786 posts

8 Aug 2021 5:32am

Brent in Qld

1475 posts

Brent in Qld

WA, 1475 posts

8 Aug 2021 5:59am

Love the laughs keep them coming. The skills at twisting information into self serving fictions is wasted on Seabreeze, you should run for parliament or be CEOs of multinationals.
Not up to your standard but here's another giggle for when you get back from church this morning. Oh sorry... lockdown... my bad.

finsup

208 posts

finsup

NT, 208 posts

8 Aug 2021 7:44am

"... but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes, and conspiracy theories"

-Benjamin Franklin, 1789

warwickl

NSW

2360 posts

warwickl

NSW, 2360 posts

8 Aug 2021 8:58am

finsup said..
"... but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes, and conspiracy theories"

-Benjamin Franklin, 1789

This is out of date, need to add

And 'change', nothing stays the same well almost nothing

TonyAbbott

924 posts

TonyAbbott

924 posts

8 Aug 2021 7:24am

Everytime I go to a doctor I notice particular pharmaceutical merchandise in his room. Things like pens, notebooks and other little knick knacks.

I assume he received these items in a goodies showbag at a conference or 'training' presentation. I wonder what else he received that I don't see. I wonder why a drug company is doing do this shows, what's in it for them.

Mr Milk

NSW

3137 posts

Mr Milk

NSW, 3137 posts

8 Aug 2021 9:28am

If we're "following the money" like we're trying to bring down the mafia, can someone tell us how much it costs to take prophylactic hydroxychloroplacebomectin for the rest of your life? Is that going to be cheaper than getting vaccinated?

Mr Milk

NSW

3137 posts

Mr Milk

NSW, 3137 posts

8 Aug 2021 9:38am

TonyAbbott said..
Everytime I go to a doctor I notice particular pharmaceutical merchandise in his room. Things like pens, notebooks and other little knick knacks.

I assume he received these items in a goodies showbag at a conference or 'training' presentation. I wonder what else he received that I don't see. I wonder why a drug company is doing do this shows, what's in it for them.

Maybe the companies are competing to get the doctors to prescribe their products instead of a competitor's?
They certainly seem to have been effective with hydroxychloroplacebomectin. Out of the multitude of antihelminths and antivirals that have been shown to work in vitro, that's the dynamic duo that get talked about.

japie

NSW

7146 posts

japie

NSW, 7146 posts

8 Aug 2021 9:55am

Mr Milk said..
If we're "following the money" like we're trying to bring down the mafia, can someone tell us how much it costs to take prophylactic hydroxychloroplacebomectin for the rest of your life? Is that going to be cheaper than getting vaccinated?

Why would you even consider taking anything to protect you from a disease which has a mortality rate which is seriously embarrassing in comparison to heart disease and cancer?

Is it beyond your comprehension that you and you alone should take full responsibility for your health?

Covid is like all conditions which lead to mortality. It is an established fact that zinc and vitamin d deficiency are massive contributors as is stuff your face and sit on your arse disease.

Take control of your life and stop expecting the government to do it for you thereby screwing up the lives of those who live consciously.

And whilst you're at it face the fact that you've fallen victim to what will go down in history as the most successful propaganda campaign ever devised.
Turn the bloody idiot box off!

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

8 Aug 2021 8:06am

Mr Milk said..

What, you mean pharmaceutical sales reps are often good looking girls because they are trying to get doctors to prescribe their brand of drugs. Surely there is a conspiracy theory that answers that? It can't be just normal market behavior can it? Good looking sales people trying to influence their customers?

I think Japie is suggesting that you take your zinc, your vitamin D supplements or sunshine, a couple of packets of horse ivermectin, and go and try your chances in the middle of a covid ward. Surely they will protect you, and the nurses will just look at you with admiration as you show them how it should be treated.

The doctors will murder you though as they are in on it. None of them go into the profession to save lives and just want the stream of money.

Mr Milk

NSW

3137 posts

Mr Milk

NSW, 3137 posts

8 Aug 2021 10:10am

japie said..

Why would you even consider taking anything to protect you from a disease which has a mortality rate which is seriously embarrassing in comparison to heart disease and cancer?

Maybe, but it takes a long time to "catch" heart disease or cancer and few people get either twice. Nobody knows how often people of average health can catch covid or what the mortality rate is for 3rd, 5th, 7th or 11th cases will be. The cumulative rate might be much higher than the current rate of ~2% worldwide. It might eventually turn out to be a common cause of death in the infirm elderly.

Wasn't it you who was advocating deworming as a preventative measure?

Main

QLD

2338 posts

Main

QLD, 2338 posts

8 Aug 2021 10:17am

Didn't realise there were so many highly educated healthcare professionals in here !

That said it sounds like my 19 year old explaining why his "international finance" subject is different to any form of structured finance.! Lots of quoting others with no real understanding...

japie

NSW

7146 posts

japie

NSW, 7146 posts

8 Aug 2021 11:17am

Mr Milk said..

japie said..

Why would you even consider taking anything to protect you from a disease which has a mortality rate which is seriously embarrassing in comparison to heart disease and cancer?

No Mr Twisty I wasn't advocating anything.

I am drawing people's attention to the irrefutable fact that there are thousands of doctors worldwide who are using protocols to treat coronavirus which include ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine that have been demonstrated to reduce the already minuscule chance of dying from Covid by 86%.

This fact alone should be sufficient evidence for even the most unintelligent humans to figure out that Covid is treatable, contrary to the assurances of Fauci and his band of thieves, thus rendering null and void the emergency authorisation for experimental gene therapy which has already injured and killed way more people than has ever been tolerated in any previous novel drug or vaccine.

Mark _australia

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Mark _australia

WA, 23652 posts

8 Aug 2021 9:32am

^^^ that may all be true but I'm getting sick of the term 'experimental gene therapy'
This method of producing a vaccine has been around since around the mid 90's and used before. It doesn't 'change genes'

It is not gene therapy and your other points look doubtful when you repeat the 'gene therapy' mantra that one uneducated buffoon put online and it spread like wildfire.

psychojoe

2241 posts

psychojoe

WA, 2241 posts

8 Aug 2021 10:57am

Mark _australia said..
^^^ that may all be true but I'm getting sick of the term 'experimental gene therapy'
This method of producing a vaccine has been around since around the mid 90's and used before. It doesn't 'change genes'

It is not gene therapy and your other points look doubtful when you repeat the 'gene therapy' mantra that one uneducated buffoon put online and it spread like wildfire.

Should we introduce them to CRISPR? CT nutters'll be freaking out everywhere. Exciting technology with some success already but I see it as a non starter. Learning to switch genes on and off is where it's at.

micksmith

VIC

1701 posts

micksmith

VIC, 1701 posts

8 Aug 2021 1:54pm

finsup said..
"... but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes, and conspiracy theories"

-Benjamin Franklin, 1789

He didn't say that actually, he did say however that "taxes are as certain as death"
and you do realise he was a rebel.

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

8 Aug 2021 2:22pm

Paradox said..

Kamikuza said..

Thanks. Updated March 2021 at the top of the page.

The page was updated in March and it highlights the minor changes they made to the page. If you look at the references for Table 1 the data it uses is early 2021 at best, most 2020.

Estimates not statistics, so it doesn't matter

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

8 Aug 2021 2:32pm

Well, anyone, and everyone can post links and some are more believable than others. Adding a voice to support the content of a link does add some credibility.

Is this the mindset of a CTer? Post a link only because the link just points to statements of fact? Oh okay, I get it now.

Less is not more. Less is less.

You can choose whether or not you believe facts, cos facts aren't strengthened or weakened by belief in them: you're thinking of faith.

If you need your facts accompanied with a statement of belief, you're doing facts wrong: the facts are in and of themselves interesting enough. Your issue here seems to be that I've posted links that contain facts about a comment and expressed no opinion about the facts... After moaning that people don't provide sources. And we're taking specifically about fact statements, not op-eds. You gonna eat that cake or what?

Make a point clearly and concisely then shut up. The more talk, the less listening gets done. Maybe read the facts then ask specific questions if you have them...

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

8 Aug 2021 2:39pm

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"

Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.

Double-blind study it's what you want. Here's one:
.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8101859/

Haven't read it at all, just posted to show that there are such things out there.

Sometimes things work better together then on their own...

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

8 Aug 2021 1:39pm

Kamikuza said..
Make a point clearly and concisely then shut up. The more talk, the less listening gets done. Maybe read the facts then ask specific questions if you have them...

What forum are you on? Make a point clearly and then shut up? Certainly not on this one, and who do you think is listening? No one here is really expecting to get their Covid understanding from this topic.

You don't make points when you just post a URL. You are in effect just posting a quote from someone else about something. It's just like providing a quote from someone notable and then expecting it to justify something without any substantiation.

I do agree that less talk and more listening is generally a good thing in person, but again, as long as the person doing the talking actually provides information that's useful.

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

8 Aug 2021 1:40pm

theDoctor said..
this, this and only this.
you are profit and nothing else.
well, the willing indoctrination to the police state is an added bonus.
but if you truly believe this is all for public health, you are delusional

I don't understand it. Can you put it in a meme from someone random I have never heard of please?

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

8 Aug 2021 1:46pm

Kamikuza said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"

Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.

Cool, looks like 'with Ivermectin' is better and reducing effects by a third or so?

I would have expected to see much better than this, and a comment describing that the subject group was stronger after discharge than before

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

8 Aug 2021 2:29pm

Sure, but hasn't it only been used up till now as a therapy tailored to the individual, not as a 'one size fits all'?

theDoctor

NSW

5786 posts

theDoctor

NSW, 5786 posts

8 Aug 2021 6:45pm

Main

QLD

2338 posts

Main

QLD, 2338 posts

8 Aug 2021 7:06pm

FormulaNova said..

I don't understand it. Can you put it in a meme from someone random I have never heard of please?

Lots of "too clever" people supporting Darwinism atm. Especially in Mississippi, West Virginia, Alabama and on here ..!

IanR

NSW

1342 posts

IanR

NSW, 1342 posts

8 Aug 2021 8:20pm

japie said..

IanR said..

japie
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.

What exactly are the protocols for taking an equine form of ivermectin
What are the protocols for taking human grade ivermectin as a prophylactic.
Can you use ivermectin made for ruminants

Your fixation on ruminants is decidedly unhealthy.

You should visit a therapist.

Ask a CT'ist hard question and the response is abuse
I really thought you would have a dosage protocol for Ivermectin.
The FLCCC do have a guide to dosage for when someone has the virus on their website. But nothing for use as a prophylactic
Kami mentioned something about one study where people took 12mg for three or four days. How long does that give them protection form the virus before they have to take enough coarse

A horse is not ruminant, it has a different digestive system to a cow or a sheep
Ivermectin can be purchased as a sheep drench or as injection for cows.
I thought that maybe some of you Wellness Brothers like snoidberg might start using other freely avalible sources of ivermectin

It amazes me the Wellness type that take vitamins and health supplements that won't get the vaccine but would rather use Veterinary grade medication and think they are in control of there health

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

8 Aug 2021 6:31pm

IanR said..

japie said..

IanR said..

japie
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.

What exactly are the protocols for taking an equine form of ivermectin
What are the protocols for taking human grade ivermectin as a prophylactic.
Can you use ivermectin made for ruminants

Your fixation on ruminants is decidedly unhealthy.

You should visit a therapist.

well, to be fair, some of them are sheep.

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