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Shooting the breeze.

evlPanda

NSW

9207 posts

evlPanda

NSW, 9207 posts

5 Aug 2021 12:18pm

That's even more amazing!

Gboots

NSW

1321 posts

Gboots

NSW, 1321 posts

5 Aug 2021 1:59pm

evlPanda said..

eppo said..
This vaccine hijacks your cells DNA production systems to then produce the spike covid protein. THEN the bodies immune system attacks the spike protein that YOUR body has produced.

Anyone else got an issue with injecting something that manipulates your DNA to protein synthesis systems?? First time in medical science history this has been used.

that is we have to stop thinking about this vaccine as similar to other vaccines used in the past because it isnt. The underlying mechansim is vastly different.

I could be wrong above but thats my understanding thus far.

This mechanism is amazing. There is no other way to put it.

Just to be clear the mRNA vaccines do not hijack your DNA. They use the CELLS, not the cell's DNA. The DNA is not touched, or interacted with, at all. Doesn't need to be.

In your body, naturally, it works like this: DNA > mRNA > Cell > protein.

The mRNA method injects mRNA into the cells instead of your DNA doing it.

VOX has a 5 minute overview of how it works for the layman:

That we can use our own bodies as a pharmaceutical factory is the future. This will be used for so much more than just vaccines.

Heil Gates!

...where did that come from?

The last 30 seconds is most interesting where they talk about the potential to "manage" cancer risks once it is in your body. That "management" could be to the benefit of the person or the pharmaceutical companies that treat cancers

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 1:00pm

Of course, there's no money in cures, but plenty to be made in ongoing treatment.

Look at how the world has been going, everything is or is moving to being subscription based.

We're moving into subscription based health care. For life.

psychomub

448 posts

psychomub

448 posts

5 Aug 2021 1:38pm

Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93

This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.

So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.

Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 1:50pm

Called it.

sgo

VIC

215 posts

sgo

VIC, 215 posts

5 Aug 2021 4:26pm

psychomub said..
Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93

This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.

So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.

Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.

The article you refer to says "his family" had a history of heart problems, no mention of his heart situation.
He would have had previous tests as positive, that's why he was being treated for covid. Your article also explains the negative result.
The story started out about a man with covid, not someone "perfectly healthy"

But you are right on one point, we are being "deceived and lied to"...

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 2:38pm

sgo said..

'Mr Alaskar was being followed up daily by nursing staff and had relatively mild symptoms until he "suddenly deteriorated" around lunchtime on Tuesday...'

Why do you suppose he was being cared for by nursing staff if he only had relatively mild symptoms?

psychojoe

2241 posts

psychojoe

WA, 2241 posts

5 Aug 2021 2:43pm

The part that gets me is "after a few minutes there were police cars everywhere". Why?!

"At first I heard crying, then shouting and howling," she told the ABC.
"After that two ambulances came and after a few minutes there were police cars everywhere."

Mr Alaskar's cousin, Bash Mnati, said his cousin collapsed in the shower about 2pm and his wife called an ambulance.

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

5 Aug 2021 3:00pm

Are you sure you are reading that article correctly?

Where did you get that information about 'history of heart conditions'? From a different article somewhere else?

The article does mention that Covid can affect the heart... but you are referring to this poor guy as already having a heart condition?

chrispy

9675 posts

chrispy

WA, 9675 posts

5 Aug 2021 3:02pm

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

FormulaNova

15100 posts

FormulaNova

WA, 15100 posts

5 Aug 2021 3:03pm

sgo said..

But you are right on one point, we are being "deceived and lied to"...

We are being lied to by the media and then told the truth by the same media?

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 3:18pm

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Mr Milk

NSW

3137 posts

Mr Milk

NSW, 3137 posts

5 Aug 2021 6:07pm

psychomub said..

So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.

Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.

Good, psychomub is telling us that the Royal Commission into veteran suicides is not needed. They used to be in uniform, but weren't when they killed themselves. Clearly not related.

So what if a negative test was returned? Isn't there a possibility of false negatives?
I reckon psychomub must have returned a series of false positive test results for comprehension while in school.

chrispy

9675 posts

chrispy

WA, 9675 posts

5 Aug 2021 4:26pm

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Pffft ,same old conspiracy response

You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.

Poida

1922 posts

Poida

WA, 1922 posts

5 Aug 2021 4:36pm

I asked a senior immunologist for some facts to argue with the anti vax/trumpers/qanon/conspiracy theory nuts. He said it is impossible to argue with them. They morph the argument when their facts are proven wrong. Reponses like - "do your own research, my gut feeling, my intuition, Bill Gates, your going to die if you have the vaccine, the cabal, the corporations, big pharma, They, Them, etc etc"

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 4:44pm

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Pffft ,same old conspiracy response

You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.

What argument?
The one you are making with your dribbling?

I mean, I really feel sorry for you, for your complete lack of reading and comprehension skills.

Don't feel bad that you don't know what nurses are for.

chrispy

9675 posts

chrispy

WA, 9675 posts

5 Aug 2021 4:57pm

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Pffft ,same old conspiracy response

You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.

More points than a porcupine and still got nothing

It is your comprehension that is lacking,or more so you swerving my original question

People like you prove our education system is broken

psychomub

448 posts

psychomub

448 posts

5 Aug 2021 5:16pm

FormulaNova said..

His family said there was a history of cardiac issues.
You seem quite desperate to pin this on Covid.

kiterboy

2614 posts

kiterboy

2614 posts

5 Aug 2021 5:17pm

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Pffft ,same old conspiracy response

You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.

More points than a porcupine and still got nothing

It is your comprehension that is lacking,or more so you swerving my original question

People like you prove our education system is broken

Keep trying little fella, you might be able to string a sensible thought together one day.

chrispy

9675 posts

chrispy

WA, 9675 posts

5 Aug 2021 5:21pm

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

chrispy said..

kiterboy said..

sgo said..

Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality

If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.

Pffft ,same old conspiracy response

You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.

More points than a porcupine and still got nothing

It is your comprehension that is lacking,or more so you swerving my original question

People like you prove our education system is broken

Keep trying little fella, you might be able to string a sensible thought together one day.

And the boi still has nothing

Buster fin

2598 posts

Buster fin

WA, 2598 posts

5 Aug 2021 5:31pm

kiterboy said..

Keep trying little fella, you might be able to string a sensible thought together one day.

Truely, your schoolyard bully-esque barbs are rather boorish and do nothing to further your argument or provide any useful observations. Go and take your tantrum to the sandpit, and you can have a cookie once you've had a think about yourself and calmed down. Off you run.

TonyAbbott

924 posts

TonyAbbott

924 posts

5 Aug 2021 5:41pm

Poida said..
I asked a senior immunologist for some facts to argue with the anti vax/trumpers/qanon/conspiracy theory nuts. He said it is impossible to argue with them. They morph the argument when their facts are proven wrong. Reponses like - "do your own research, my gut feeling, my intuition, Bill Gates, your going to die if you have the vaccine, the cabal, the corporations, big pharma, They, Them, etc etc"

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

lotofwind

NSW

6451 posts

lotofwind

NSW, 6451 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:10pm

Why do I get the feeling that Kiterkid would be the person who stumbles across a peaceful protest, that he has no idea what its even for, but will join in anyway and be the one who throws pot plants and punches horses. lol

Im glad I took the "blue pill and not the red one " and live in ignorant bliss, if the government are controlling and tracking me now, I hope they saw the barrel I got today.

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:27pm

Why do I get the feeling that lotofwind would be the person who keeps repeating nonsense like "punches horses" even when it's been proven to not be the case?

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:31pm

Kamikuza said..

sgo said..
From ABC news today:
"Two COVID-related deaths, including a man in 20s NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the man died in his home overnight."Obviously our deepest condolences to his family and loved ones," she said."But it demonstrates again how this disease is lethal, how it affects people of all ages. Unfortunately the gentleman wasn't vaccinated, hadn't had any dose of the vaccine. As we understand the death happened quite suddenly."Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said the man was isolating at home and was being treated by south-western Sydney local health district during his isolation period and had reached day 13. "He was being followed up daily by nursing staff and suddenly deteriorated," Dr Chant said."

Yes, I think I'll follow the experts here.
No need to worry, just the flu.

I'm sorry, but the media and politicians have continue to prove themselves to be absolute and utter bald-faced shameless liars when they've got an agenda to push, or at best refuse to include context or background details when it matters.

These days, I remain agnostic about anything broadcast until there's been corroboration and additional details.

Case in point: apparently the poor lad had severe pre-existing health conditions that may or may not have been exacerbated by COVID-19. Considering he did 13 days of a 14 day quarantine then "suddenly deteriorated", I'm going to tentatively call a false positive on this one...

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:34pm

Gboots said..
I wish this was true Japie. But they have us by the balls. Remember the scientific reports into Weapons of Mass Destruction ? Well we didn't learn (or care enough) so they learnt that they can do what they want . 9/11 was the real tipping point in freedoms no matter what narrative of that event you believe . It was used - just like Covid - to pursue certain controls

Didn't we do this already? Saddam played himself: there *were* WMD but they were relics, and his posturing and uncooperativeness put the nails in his coffin. He did have a nuclear weapons program, but they had no chance to get close to producing anything -- thanks, Israel. But the region is well-rid of him anyway, so there's that too.

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:40pm

evlPanda said..

That we can use our own bodies as a pharmaceutical factory is the future. This will be used for so much more than just vaccines.

Heil Gates!

...where did that come from?

Urgh, Vox. Now I need a penicillin jab.

But yeah, mRNA vaccines could be ****ing brilliant -- you could literally run up a new vaccine in a weekend.

The problem is still, this is new technology with no long-term data.

Actually, that's not the problem. The problem is the dishonest scumbags in the chain of supply: you just can't trust anything they say because they just can't stop lying and distorting the facts.

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:48pm

kiterboy said..
Of course, there's no money in cures, but plenty to be made in ongoing treatment.

Look at how the world has been going, everything is or is moving to being subscription based.

We're moving into subscription based health care. For life.

I want to call BS on that cos I can't believe that all those involved in medicine, knowing that one day they'll be in the patient's seat, are happy to keep people sick...

And Netflix is so much better than broadcast TV.

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:52pm

Oh you beat me to it. Nice one.

So the question is, how many of these are there in the "COVID fatalities" statistics?

Have alook at excess mortality figures in places where COVID hasn't been locked down like Australia and NZ... say Japan.

Well, ****.
www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/02/23/national/coronavirus-japan-deaths-2020/

Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

Kamikuza

QLD, 6493 posts

5 Aug 2021 8:55pm

You've never had to argue with a BlueAnon then either. Extremists are extreme. Those of us still here in the thread are the rational ones -- and our opinions still vary.

Well, most of us. There's at least one CT foil hat wearer who refuses to acknowledge facts when presented, and I'll bet dollars to donuts they don't consider themselves a Trumper/Qanon.

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