Pugwash said...

What is the Labs primary vote up to now, 24% or 26%. Pretty impressive. Did you say support for the Labs is at an all time low.

Was that Libs leading 61 per cent to Labs 39 per cent on the two-party preferred

Was that Mr Rabbit leading 51 per cent to Red Rangs 40 per cent on preferred PM

Did you say 56 per cent of voters want a fresh election --> Pugwash is so mainstream, man!

Soooo???? Are we supposed to have an election every time a government is down in the polls? We'd never do anything else!

Your side lost pugsie. Learn to live with it.

C'mon loggy, we have been here before, lil' piggy dullard is not to my liking. Neither was Howard, swine.

Guys, for me, it's not the tax. It is the MANY taxes, and most importantly, the history of mismanagement of money by THIS government.

The economy is not a path, it's cyclical, and it will feedback! This tax may mean we spend $10 a week more in 2012. This may double in 2013 - who knows? We do know it will increase. These are piddly little number we can palate - right!?! I doubt that the treasury modelling is correct - remember - they are trying to sell us something that will cost us! I also have doubts about the forecast impacts on the economy. How about some real facts on the costs and reliability of clean power? Post-****ushima, Germany announced they are replacing their reactors - with what - coal!

The global economy is not that healthy - US, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland... heard it all before. The one good thing here is that the massive US private sector is now more competitive internationally as their dollar is busted! I can't see much thinking from the Labs on this one. Perhaps no thinking at all.

The Australian economy is strong because of that tall poppy, the resources sector. It must be pulled back to the same place as other sectors such as construction and tourism. What were the latest construction industry figures - was it -12 or -15%?

The MRRT and carbon tax, the ol' boxing one two, are a good attempt at doing this, and this will feedback through the economy, the direct tax will reduce as there is less money available, and eventually the income tax pool will also reduce.

Are you telling us about a squandered opportunity? And are you also telling us that you think government shall do as it pleases, and ignore magic mandates for massive policy change... Excellent

Pugwash said...

Are you telling us about a squandered opportunity? And are you also telling us that you think government shall do as it pleases, and ignore magic mandates for massive policy change... Excellent

Of COURSE a government should do as it pleases. Or at least what the houses of parliament allow it to do. You and I get to rate them and have our say every 3 years (4 in some states), not every time some unelected prick like Murdoch or Alan Jones decides they want better ratings.

That's our political system. It's served us pretty well in the past 110 years.

ROFL...

I remember Malcolm Turnbull saying something funny on Q and A about the Libs will help you do what you think is best for you, the Labs will help you do what they think is best for you

I don't think this government spends more wisely then me either - I drive a holden commodore not a ferrari california. It is not pretty, it is not fast, but it gets me from A to B. NBN = ferrari california. It's a real quick ride that will take me a very long time to pay off - particularly when the cost doubles due to mismanagement, poor quoting, high labor/labour costs and time over-runs.

How is Heathen Scripture different from Murdoch or Alan Jones? It's all just opinion. Perhaps you agree with one lot more than the other, and get all warm and fuzzy when you read it?

Macroscien said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

FlySurfer said...

SomeOtherGuy said...
OH RIGHT! Engineer... sewerage engineer is just another name for plumber isn't it?

Maybe you can understand this...

Why? Did you want me to explain it to you?

Naaah , WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS !!!

in idiocy

IF YOU ARE AFRICAN LEADER THAT RECEIVED 3.5 BLN DOLLARS FOR NOTHING FROM AUSTRALIAN (i) CHAMPIONS
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS MONEY ???
-buy ak-47 for whole nation to kill neighbours?
-build a new (bigger) palace?
-import some gold ?
-plant a tree?
-get yourself and whole family 12 cylinder cars instead of 8 cylinder now?
-invest in US bonds?
-buy aircraft carrier (even if don't have access to sea)?
.....
you must agree that options are limitless

Even for me that could only imagine max Power Ball 30 mil that too much to swollow

What will you do

Chris 249 said...
So not only do you know all about climate science, you can also do remote-controlled IQ testing. Wow.....


BTW about your medical discoveries - google "placebo".....

I can see reason is a completely foreign concept to you. Reason is a requisite for system theory. System theory is a way of thinking. To some System theory comes naturally and to others it's a learnt trait.
Basically what it boils down to, is taking things apart bit by bit and then reassembling them in to the system in order to understand it and properly categorize the memory for future retrieval.

You don't need to be an expert in anything you just need to know how to understand it as a system.

In Australia and a lot of other places we put a lot of emphasis on memorizing facts and not on understanding the system.

So regardless of what you do for a living, you can be an expert in what ever field you choose as long as you understand the system, and in most cases better than somebody who has relied on repetition to gain experience.

If you put everything in the "Too hard to understand, without trying" bucket, then you'll need to refer to experts for everything.

At the end of the day, if you believe a higher cost of living is beneficial to your family sit back relax and wait for it to happen.

If you don't think a higher cost of living is going to be good for your family, then let people know.

And if you think the government is going to cover your increased living costs, when it can't afford to pay nurses, cops, other public servants and for desperately needed infrastructure.... then you're hopelessly naive.

There will be no carbon tax under my government.....

FlySurfer said...

At the end of the day, if you believe a higher cost of living is beneficial to your family sit back relax and wait for it to happen.

If you don't think a higher cost of living is going to be good for your family, then let people know.

And if you think the government is going to cover your increased living costs, when it can't afford to pay nurses, cops, other public servants and for desperately needed infrastructure.... then you're hopelessly naive.

That even is not the worst .
If we need we could tighten our belts , so our tonques and eyes balls will pop up




but we lack a VISION.

If J F Kennedy in 1961 address to Congress said: " ok guys, maybe we should have some more space programs , lets start taxing all US citizens and maybe we can build a rocket even. See what's happens. Worst case scenario we will give Russians 3.5 billion dollars so they could land a man on the moon if we could not....I propose now to vote in congress for $10.000 tax on every citizen and once we have your money will see what can be done...

instead of BOLD: " national goal of "landing a man on the Moon" by the end of the decade" at what-ether cost

we still be waiting for China to put there first one as 2011.

That's as I can see our carbon future - without VISION there are only mirages on the horizon...


PS> If you are all tired with all this LAB-NAT quarry lets wait for somebody that will promise you SOMETHING BIG and DELIVER.

Well a good point it Wranger has curbed an interest rate rise (pending inflation) and has really taken money from banks . If you own assets they have just gone up 2 percent.

Carbon Tax basically placed struggling people over the edge Be asured that an interest rate rise is off the cards now ordinary people cant afford it This will curb retail spending thus unemployment.
I think its a conspiracy between the reserve bank rate payers and a good head job to the greens
Nothing to worry about.
Think the fact that the labor party blatantly lied and stuck back hander deal with the greens hurt more people than the tax.
Rich get richer poor get poorer.
Just remember Everything is relative>

FlySurfer said...

At the end of the day, if you believe a higher cost of living is beneficial to your family sit back relax and wait for it to happen.

If you don't think a higher cost of living is going to be good for your family, then let people know.

And if you think the government is going to cover your increased living costs, when it can't afford to pay nurses, cops, other public servants and for desperately needed infrastructure.... then you're hopelessly naive.

That is the most "hopelessly naive" summary I've ever seen

laceys lane said...

ok. i'm an idiot compared to most of you lot on this forum. i'm from the gold coast, qld. i'm a builder/carpenter. this the worse reccesion i've ever seen in all my time. the domestic sector is almost none existent on the goldie- has been for over two years.
a lot of people are really struggling. handouts to the goverment building secter- nice one, that'll get things going.

master builders have quoted up to 10% extra to housing costs- we're dead and we've got to find more money to survive. this goverment, our state goverment just doesn't get it- no one has got any money.

and i'm not convinced it's going to make one jack of any difference and as sure as i'm alive we will pay more and more after the trinkets stop

there must be another way.

i'm out of my depth here, but has anyone got any ideas for a better green plan or is this the real deal long term

I wouldn't sell yourself short.

There are no quick fix solutions. With regard to the environment our activities cause the damage.
So reducing them would benefit it. But the way we do things while maintaining or improving our standard of living should be the goal.

Take for example our internal transport, it's a huge energy consumer. Every day millions of people move around from one place to another just to perform a location independent task... like in Log Man's case answering the phone .

Globalization has created an enormous amount of waste. We ship garlic from Australia to China, and China to Australia... and for what purpose? Sure American cherry's taste real nice, but they could sell us the technique and seeds.

A very high percentage of things are produced in China only to take advantage of an artificial trading construct, in actual planetary resource cost it is more expensive to ship raw material from Australia to China than to manufacture the item close to the resource location or consumption location.

If we wanted to decrease the impact we have on Earth we would.
1.- Change the education system, by valuing solutions over memorization.
2.- Encourage local manufacturing and farming... by imposing tariffs to limit the amount of wasteful transportation.
3.- Decentralize employment hubs... stop people needing to go in to some CBD to answer emails.
4.- Stop wasteful alimentary practices... we kill millions of animals only to not consume them and put them in land fills.
5.- Tax non biodegradable packing.
6.- Introduce mandatory warranty periods of 5 years for consumer goods. This will encourage better quality and modularization.
7.- Ban these Chemicals: www.wwf.org.au/knowledge-centre/resource-library
8.- Use recycled water for farming.
9.- Limit the use of fertilizers close to water ways... fertilizers encourage algae blooms which suffocate aquatic life creating dead zones and massive jelly fish infestations.
10.- Tighten fishing quotas ... I remember as a kid the ocean was full of life, now all I see are jelly fish and the odd cuttlefish.
...

DON"T MAKE ME ANGRY

I WANT MY TAX NOW

OTHERWISE ...



I WILL SHOT THE PIGGY

FlySurfer said...

laceys lane said...

ok. i'm an idiot compared to most of you lot on this forum. i'm from the gold coast, qld. i'm a builder/carpenter. this the worse reccesion i've ever seen in all my time. the domestic sector is almost none existent on the goldie- has been for over two years.
a lot of people are really struggling. handouts to the goverment building secter- nice one, that'll get things going.

master builders have quoted up to 10% extra to housing costs- we're dead and we've got to find more money to survive. this goverment, our state goverment just doesn't get it- no one has got any money.

and i'm not convinced it's going to make one jack of any difference and as sure as i'm alive we will pay more and more after the trinkets stop

there must be another way.

i'm out of my depth here, but has anyone got any ideas for a better green plan or is this the real deal long term

I wouldn't sell yourself short.

There are no quick fix solutions. With regard to the environment our activities cause the damage.
So reducing them would benefit it. But the way we do things while maintaining or improving our standard of living should be the goal.

Take for example our internal transport, it's a huge energy consumer. Every day millions of people move around from one place to another just to perform a location independent task... like in Log Man's case answering the phone .

Globalization has created an enormous amount of waste. We ship garlic from Australia to China, and China to Australia... and for what purpose? Sure American cherry's taste real nice, but they could sell us the technique and seeds.

A very high percentage of things are produced in China only to take advantage of an artificial trading construct, in actual planetary resource cost it is more expensive to ship raw material from Australia to China than to manufacture the item close to the resource location or consumption location.

If we wanted to decrease the impact we have on Earth we would.
1.- Change the education system, by valuing solutions over memorization.
2.- Encourage local manufacturing and farming... by imposing tariffs to limit the amount of wasteful transportation.
3.- Decentralize employment hubs... stop people needing to go in to some CBD to answer emails.
4.- Stop wasteful alimentary practices... we kill millions of animals only to not consume them and put them in land fills.
5.- Tax non biodegradable packing.
6.- Introduce mandatory warranty periods of 5 years for consumer goods. This will encourage better quality and modularization.
7.- Ban these Chemicals: www.wwf.org.au/knowledge-centre/resource-library
8.- Use recycled water for farming.
9.- Limit the use of fertilizers close to water ways... fertilizers encourage algae blooms which suffocate aquatic life creating dead zones and massive jelly fish infestations.
10.- Tighten fishing quotas ... I remember as a kid the ocean was full of life, now all I see are jelly fish and the odd cuttlefish.
...

Gee, imagine the taxes needed to fund all this!!!!!!!!!!