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FlySurfer
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7 Aug 2011 12:18pm
laceys lane said...

some other guy must be somewhere else today or working on nifty retort


Na he's still recovering from his night out with log man
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 12:18pm
Thanks for the vote of confidence, lacey.

Working today till around lunch time at least... so yes I have seen all that stuff. Glorious sunshine outside and I'm stuck indoors. But nifty retort? Nah! Like I tried to point out once before, it's like groundhog day around here. Everyone just keep coming up with the same arguments. On both sides! We can all cut 'n' paste till we're old and tired. Doesn't prove much.

All that's left to do is to troll FlySurfer occasionally.
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 12:19pm
See?
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 12:42pm
OK... blame lacey...

dinsdale, WSJ is a closed site and I'm not about to stump up cash to go check it out, especially not to Murdoch. But you do realise that WSJ is owned by News Corp?? And that article looks like it was lifted straight out of the Australian??? It's an opinion piece that reports a little of what's been going on and then parrots all the same arguments as Murdochs other papers.

Same bull, just a different title at the top of the page. So it proves... what?
FlySurfer
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7 Aug 2011 12:58pm


Common sense and I share Patrick's view.
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 12:58pm
I mean... really, just look at this rubbish...

The government plans to use some of the carbon tax receipts to triple the income threshold before the income tax hits.

Triple the income tax free threshold. Tick. Correct on that one.

In other words, this is in part a scheme to redistribute income from energy users to Labor voters.


How does increasing the tax-free threshold which reduces tax for all income earners benefit just Labor voters? Hmm? Anyone??

It is an odd kind of tax reform that narrows the tax base.

No it doesn't. In fact it widens the tax base by reducing the dependancy on income tax and instead gathering that money from elsewhere (ie the CO2 emitters).

Honestly, if this was really published as an article in WSJ then you'd just have to shake your head and wonder. How did one of the world's most respected newspapers sink so quickly to the level of being toilet paper?
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 1:02pm
FlySurfer said...

Common sense and I share Patrick's view.


Common sense tells me that if the ice caps are melting then it probably means the planet is getting warmer. I don't need yoochoob to tell me that FlyBoy!
FlySurfer
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7 Aug 2011 1:02pm
FlySurfer
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7 Aug 2011 1:41pm
SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 1:42pm



Work is done and sun is shining! I'll leave you to your yoochoob existence FlySpot.
log man
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7 Aug 2011 1:46pm
FlySurfer said...

laceys lane said...

some other guy must be somewhere else today or working on nifty retort


Na he's still recovering from his night out with log man



Nah! those days are over
cisco
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7 Aug 2011 1:58pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

FlySurfer said...

Common sense and I share Patrick's view.


Common sense tells me that if the ice caps are melting then it probably means the planet is getting warmer. I don't need yoochoob to tell me that FlyBoy!


Trouble is they are not melting. They are getting bigger.

laceys lane
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7 Aug 2011 2:23pm
FlySurfer said...




classic
log man
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7 Aug 2011 7:19pm
ADS
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7 Aug 2011 7:53pm
cisco said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

FlySurfer said...

Common sense and I share Patrick's view.


Common sense tells me that if the ice caps are melting then it probably means the planet is getting warmer. I don't need yoochoob to tell me that FlyBoy!


Trouble is they are not melting. They are getting bigger.



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SomeOtherGuy
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7 Aug 2011 10:53pm
Great! Seems voting on it will fix the problem. Let's all vote for bigger ice caps. That'll fix it!

Laurie.. how do we create a poll on here??

1. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving the planet bigger ice caps
2. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving all women bigger boobs

Tough choice, eh?
log man
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7 Aug 2011 11:01pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

Great! Seems voting on it will fix the problem. Let's all vote for bigger ice caps. That'll fix it!

Laurie.. how do we create a poll on here??

1. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving the planet bigger ice caps
2. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving all women bigger boobs

Tough choice, eh?


can I buy a vowel?
ADS
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8 Aug 2011 8:54am
SomeOtherGuy said...

Great! Seems voting on it will fix the problem. Let's all vote for bigger ice caps. That'll fix it!

Laurie.. how do we create a poll on here??

1. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving the planet bigger ice caps
2. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving all women bigger boobs

Tough choice, eh?


The Polar ice caps may be expanding or contracting depending on who's agenda (science???) you listen to. Having surfed the same spots for 30-35 years though, one thing I can say for certain - the sea levels have not risen at all, despite the earth's climate heating or cooling (depending on who you listen to).
Green Socialism is the new Fundamentalism
SomeOtherGuy
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8 Aug 2011 11:33am
ADS said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

Great! Seems voting on it will fix the problem. Let's all vote for bigger ice caps. That'll fix it!

Laurie.. how do we create a poll on here??

1. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving the planet bigger ice caps
2. I want to help mankind live a better life by giving all women bigger boobs

Tough choice, eh?


The Polar ice caps may be expanding or contracting depending on who's agenda (science???) you listen to. Having surfed the same spots for 30-35 years though, one thing I can say for certain - the sea levels have not risen at all, despite the earth's climate heating or cooling (depending on who you listen to).
Green Socialism is the new Fundamentalism


So... just out of interest, what WAS your mean sea level measurement for 8th August 1982?
Little Jon
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8 Aug 2011 2:14pm
If the ice caps melt may be the farmers can use more water
FlySurfer
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8 Aug 2011 2:16pm
SomeOtherGuy said...
So... just out of interest, what WAS your mean sea level measurement for 8th August 1982?


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FlySurfer
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8 Aug 2011 2:38pm
We pay for a Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency.
No issue with Energy Efficiency, but it should change it's name to Department of climate change propaganda to better reflect its role.

Advisors to that department is an "independent" climate commission.

http://climatecommission.gov.au/about/

Tim Flannery (Australian of the Year 2007): failure to act on climate change may eventually force the creation of a global carbon dictatorship, which he calls the "Earth Commission for Thermostatic Control"

This post isn't for or against the Tax... just saying.

Gizmo
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8 Aug 2011 2:23pm
Little Jon said...

If the ice caps melt may be the farmers can use more water


More water = more space to sail on
More ocean = more places to fish
Deeper water= less likely to run aground

And the problem is.......
SomeOtherGuy
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8 Aug 2011 3:16pm
FlySurfer said...

SomeOtherGuy said...
So... just out of interest, what WAS your mean sea level measurement for 8th August 1982?


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Nice photo, FoolSurfer but you should try to learn how to drink out of a bottle! Here give it to me, I'll show you how it's done.
FlySurfer
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8 Aug 2011 3:32pm
SomeOtherGuy said...
.. bottle! Here give it to me, I'll show you how it's done.

No thanks, I'm not in to the kind of stuff you do with bottles... you can keep it for your weekends with Log Man.
SomeOtherGuy
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8 Aug 2011 4:00pm
Hey, you know the rule... what happens on the weekend stays on the weekend.
SomeOtherGuy
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8 Aug 2011 4:02pm
...or was it that the first rule of bottle club is that we don't talk about bottle club?

I forget.
log man
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8 Aug 2011 9:30pm
ADS said...

cisco said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

FlySurfer said...

Common sense and I share Patrick's view.


Common sense tells me that if the ice caps are melting then it probably means the planet is getting warmer. I don't need yoochoob to tell me that FlyBoy!


Trouble is they are not melting. They are getting bigger.

Which pole?, Area or volume?, Winter or summer?

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