Purchase 10 items from Big W and look at where is is manufactured.

Sequester:- seclude, isolate, set apart

"This country is already buckling under the weight of welfare hand outs and now hardly is the time to be increasing them".Is it????, If you look at the entirety of government spending do you think that unworthy welfare recipients are such a huge drain on the public purse? And by unworthy, are we talking about tax breaks given to family trusts, are we talking tax breaks to negatively gear, what about the money we pay to millionaires to help them with their health insurance? What about eliminating funding to my local school, you know the school that has just built their second water polo pool, to match their new underground carpark,and their new performing arts centre????? no fair enough pick on single mums, disability pensioners and the unemployed.....easy targets

pweedas said...

nebbian said...

A point that a lot of people seem to be missing is...

This system is revenue-neutral.

I think that's because most people believe it will be effect neutral.

In any case, you should have said "overall revenue neutral"

By the governments own announcements, 7 out of 10 households will be no worse off or even better off.
Nine out of ten households will get at least some compensation.

Logically then, this means the final one out of ten households will have to pay for the whole program.
Sounds like another socialist wealth re-distribution program to me.

Yeah that's right, bring it on now, I want my tax cuts, whatever is best for me is how I vote, same as everyone else except those who care about the environment and voted green.

busterwa said...

Purchase 10 items from Big W and look at where is is manufactured.

Yes, but a lot of the companies that make the stuff in that country (with a manipulated currency to under cut everyone) are western, so the profit is repatriated.
Except for those middle farkers in our malls.

They buy cheap Chinese crap by the kg... yes clothes by the kg then sell it to us for $90... Kathmandu comes to mind.

^^^

It's also weightless according to Mr Abbott!

Best interview on Lateline for quite a while was on last night. Don't think it's on Yoochoob but with any luck, this link should play it for you:

www.abc.net.au/reslib/201108/r808784_7199324.asx

otherwise, go to www.abc.net/lateline and look for the Joe Hockey interview.

Gotta love Joe... honestly! If only he'd spend as much time studying his party's policies as he does putting the boot into the other guys he'd probably do really well.

cisco said...

I do love Joe. I didn't see that he was putting the boot in but that he was pointing out how much better the coalition's policies are.

When you have a guy that says:- "It is a good idea for an individual to pay down debt and it is also a good idea for government to pay down debt.", you have a bread and butter treasurer which is what we need.

He who has the cash wields the power. Gillard's lot are spending money on worthless things like there is no tomorrow and need the carbon tax to fund their handout policies.

I suppose if you PLAN on being one of the FORTY you would want to get as many of the handouts as you can before you step off the end of the plank.

I was thinking more about the bit where he was being asked about the "Green Army". Clearly, he wasn't on top of it - after all, what's 750 mill or so?

I got the feeling Abbott had a thought bubble and sprung that one on them and now they're all hoping it'll just fade away.

"Gillard's lot are spending money on worthless things like there is no tomorrow" Given that the NBN is a communication system for the next century, and high speed rail is a transport system for the next century, it makes sense to try to make sure there IS a next century by putting a price on carbon.

log man said...
it makes sense to try to make sure there IS a next century by putting a price on carbon.

log man said...

"Gillard's lot are spending money on worthless things like there is no tomorrow" Given that the NBN is a communication system for the next century, and high speed rail is a transport system for the next century, it makes sense to try to make sure there IS a next century by putting a price on carbon.

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laff77 said...

cisco said...

I think we should build the Darwin to Melbourne high speed mag lev goods rail line through the heartlands first.

It will reduce the turnaround time of cargo ships coming to Australia from six weeks to six days.


Care to back that up with some facts?

Have you seen the port infrastructure in Darwin and compared to the likes of a Melbourne or Sydney container terminal? We won't even touch on general cargo or motor vehicle handling and storage facilities.

Since when did it take six weeks to sail from Darwin or even Singapore for that matter to Melbourne?

Then Cisco said:-


I have read a report on it but sorry can't give you a reference to it.

Yes of course a new container terminal in Darwin has to be part of it. Darwin's proximity to Indonesia and the huge port there (actually two very close together but regarded as one) is one of the defining factors.

No it does not take six weeks to sail from Darwin or Singapore to Melbourne. A week would probably do it.

What takes time is negotiating the Great Barrier Reef, visiting Newcastle or Sydney on the way through, negotiating the Pinch Gut at Port Phillip Bay and having to anchor off the roads while waiting their turn to enter and dock at different ports.

The Darwin to Melbourne through the Heartlands Rail Line is based on it being an arterial route with collection and distribution points along the way and the whole thing would be co-ordinated by a sophisticated supply, distribution and tracking hardware and software system.

It is not pie in the sky stuff. What is pie in the sky is getting a government with enough political will to do it. It has been talked about but they want private enterprise to build it. That wont happen.

It would be a far greater Nation Building Project than the NBN and the NBN would have to be attached to it figureatively speaking.

The benefits of it are huge and include reducing the damage risk to the G. B. Reef, reducing pollution from ship's ballast water that has killed Port Phillip Bay, removeing heavy transport trucks from interstate highways and placeing them on local distribution routes and revitalising the outback rural towns.

Google it up and see what you get. Back to you laff77.

log man said...
Yep I reckon it's a great idea Cisco

So does this constitute a bipartisan agreement?

Cisco for prime minister and log man keeping the busturd honest?? LOL

FlySurfer said...

log man said...
it makes sense to try to make sure there IS a next century by putting a price on carbon.

FlyBoy, you idiot. Haven't you learned yet?

That picture only works when you are looking at it!



By the way, your ma says says hi

Copy/paste:

Even the WSJ criticises Julia!

Yes, the Wall St Journal has had a piece on how NO-ONE else is doing carbon taxing (or the schemes are failing) - and how this carbon tax will cripple the economy.
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The Last Carbon Taxer

Wall St Journal, REVIEW & OUTLOOK ASIA - JULY 17, 2011,
# Carbon cap and trade is dead in America, the Chicago emissions trading exchange has folded, and European nations keep fudging on their Kyoto Protocol promises. But Al Gore's great green hope still has a champion: Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who announced last week that her government will impose a cap-and-tax regime.

Her Labor Party-led coalition wants 500 of the country's "biggest polluters" to buy carbon permits issued by the government, starting next year. Canberra would then create new bureaucracies to re-allocate that money to interest groups and selected businesses, to the tune of billions of dollars annually.

The news has caused a public uproar—not least because Ms. Gillard ran and won last year on an explicit promise not to pursue such policies. She ousted her predecessor in a backroom coup after his popularity tanked because of climate-change boosterism and promises to raise taxes. But Ms. Gillard's Green coalition partners hold the balance of power in parliament and pushed hard for cap and trade. The PM caved and has now been labeled "Juliar" in the popular press.

The Gillard government estimates its plan will increase electricity costs by 10% and gasoline by 9%—increases it calls "modest." That's easy for politicians to say. In a nationwide poll taken after the announcement, 60% of voters opposed the tax and 68% said they'd be financially worse off because of it. Ms. Gillard's popularity has plumbed new lows.
The plan is economically damaging enough that even the normally timid business lobby—many of whose members originally supported climate-change legislation—is speaking up. Opposition leader Tony Abbott slammed the plan as "socialism masquerading as environmentalism," and he has a point. The government plans to use some of the carbon tax receipts to triple the income threshold before the income tax hits. In other words, this is in part a scheme to redistribute income from energy users to Labor voters. It is an odd kind of tax reform that narrows the tax base.

All of this for negligible environmental benefits. Australia emits 1.5% of the world's greenhouse gases. Even if the country cut its emissions to zero, the move would do little to reduce global emissions. Australia's per-capita emissions are high compared to other developed nations because it's a sparsely populated continent blessed with an abundance of natural resources. Aussies have developed profitable, world-class natural resource and energy businesses that have lifted incomes at home and helped supply developing countries like China and India. This is bad?

It is if you believe in the theology that loathes carbon fuels and wants government to allocate the means of power production. In a speech Thursday, Ms. Gillard vowed to press forward with cap and tax and said that her convictions are "very deeply held." We'll see if her government can survive them.

some other guy must be somewhere else today or working on nifty retort