Incoming sciencey reply from a scientist on the topic of dark matter
Yes that's how we know it exists, despite not being able to observe it. Think of galaxies like a wheel, spinning on an axis. The speed at which they spin means there's gotta be some matter there - gravity isn't enough to explain the speed of their rotation.
Says a smarter person than me.
But didn't Newton work out gravity/orbits on the basis of ordinary matter? Dark matter would make a mess of the calculations.
My daughters thoughts below, she is PHD student on the subject
Well the movements of planets are well predicted by general relativity (GR) - if they weren't it might mean some other non visible planet (made of normal matter) or dark matter mass could be perturbing the orbits, or perhaps that GR is wrong. The fact we think dark matter exists actually mostly comes from evidence on larger scales than our solar system such as the rotation of galaxies or movements of galaxies in clusters. People have tried to come up with a theory of gravity that might allow observations in our solar system (which agree with GR) to also agree with those on larger scales instead of needing to explain the rotation speeds of galaxies with the presence of dark matter - however these theories haven't been very successful. So dark matter is the more accepted theory.
More accepted than a modified gravity theory, such as MOND
Normally I think I would get along with people in real life even if I disagree with them on here, but some people here are just so different that i would dislike them in real life too.
Not that it matters. I block them, they talk into a void, we are all happier that way.
For several years I had to work with a guy that was extremely caustic. It was all via email as he was in an interstate office. Every message full of vitriole, bordering on verbal abuse, not just to me, but to others in my office to. Then after about 5 years, there was a day where he was in Sydney and we had a face-to-face meeting arranged in my office. I really wasn't looking forward to it. He ended up being the most sincere, likeable, reasonable person you'd ever hope to work with. It still bewilders me how this could possibly have been the same guy that wrote all those emails.
It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.

Incoming sciencey reply from a scientist on the topic of dark matter
Yes that's how we know it exists, despite not being able to observe it. Think of galaxies like a wheel, spinning on an axis. The speed at which they spin means there's gotta be some matter there - gravity isn't enough to explain the speed of their rotation.
Says a smarter person than me.
But didn't Newton work out gravity/orbits on the basis of ordinary matter? Dark matter would make a mess of the calculations.
Yes, however he was right and accurate with the tools of his era and within the bounds of collective thought of his time contributing enormously to the advancement of scientific theories. Once we started observing with better equipment at ever increasing size/distance and with greater understanding of time (thanks Einstein), discrepancy starts to occur within Newtonian thought and leads to new calculations indicating something else is at play.
Who knows what's around the corner but scientific knowledge is neither static or dogmatic. If one is after absolutes and certainties, best to steer clear of the ever changing landscape of astronomical sciences. Particularly with what the James Webb will hopefully throw our way in the coming years.
Scientism - Wikipedia
While the term was defined originally to mean "methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to natural scientists", some scholars have also adopted it as a pejorative term with the meaning "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)".
To the Truth community which has massively increased over the last 3 years the word scientism is science that is BS.
Fabricated 'evidence' to push their perspective on the masses.
You have a whole bunch of people who think vast parts of the U.S are going to be under water by sea level rise. And this is by the end of this century
Scientism - Wikipedia
While the term was defined originally to mean "methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to natural scientists", some scholars have also adopted it as a pejorative term with the meaning "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)".
To the Truth community which has massively increased over the last 3 years the word scientism is science that is BS.
Fabricated 'evidence' to push their perspective on the masses.
You have a whole bunch of people who think vast parts of the U.S are going to be under water by sea level rise. And this is by the end of this century
Science - Wikipedia
Science is a neutral, rigorous, systematic endeavor that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.
Rather than just trusting your beliefs and spiritually to explain things you don't understand.
www.skynews.com.au/opinion/piers-morgan/anthony-fauci-engaged-in-very-suspicious-activities-regarding-covid/video/644a29ea3974eee3c4a955091a7500ab
Piers morgan walking back on his fear induced zealotry .
You have a whole bunch of people who think vast parts of the U.S are going to be under water by sea level rise. And this is by the end of this century
That would only make sense if the earth were flat, everyone knows that wont happen on a round earth, it would drain off the sides.

Oh no! Some celebrities are arse holes.
That's enough for me to accept the pandemic was a hoax

You are missing your audience there. What you want is memes.
With the memes though, keep the words to a minimum. They have short attention spans and low IQs. The more memes, the lower the IQ, so think quantity not quality.

You are missing your audience there. What you want is memes.
With the memes though, keep the words to a minimum. They have short attention spans and low IQs. The more memes, the lower the IQ, so think quantity not quality.
Wipe your chin good sir, your dribbling again with intelligence..
THE DEATH OF EXPERTISE - Tom Nichols
LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU
As Bruni pointed out, "The anti-vaccine agitators can always find a renegade researcher or random 'study' to back them up. This is erudition in the age of cyberspace: You surf until you reach the conclusion you're after. You click your way to validation, confusing the p presence of a website with the plausibility of an argument."
This kind of Internet grazing - mistakenly called "research" by laypeople - makes interactions between experts and professionals arduous. Once again, confirmation bias is a major culprit: although many stories on the Internet are false or inaccurate, the one-in-a- billion story where Google gets it right and the experts get it wrong goes viral. In a tragic case in 2015, for example, a British teenager was misdiagnosed by doctors who told her to "stop Googling her symptoms." The patient insisted she had a rare cancer, a possibility the doctors dismissed. She was right, they were wrong, and she died.
The British teen's story made big news, and a rare mistake likely convinced a great many people to be their own doctors. Of course, people who have died because they used a computer to misdiagnose their heart disease as indigestion never make the front page. But none of that matters. These David-and-Goliath stories (a teenager against her team of doctors) feed the public's insatiable confirmation bias and fuel their cynicism in established knowledge while bolstering their false hopes that the solutions to their problems are just a few mouse clicks away.
Once upon a time, books were at least a marginal barrier to the rapid dissemination of misinformation, because books took time to produce and required some investment and judgment on the part of a publisher. "I read it in a book" meant "this probably isn't crazy, because a company spent the money to put it between two covers and publish it." This was never entirely true about books, of course; some of them are carefully fact-checked, peer reviewed, and edited, while others are just slammed between covers and rushed to bookstores.
Nonetheless, books from reputable presses go through at least a basic process of negotiation between authors, editors, reviewers, and publishers, including the book you're reading right now. Books from self-published "vanity presses," by contrast, are looked down upon by reviewers and readers alike, and with good reason. Today, however, the Internet is the equivalent of hundreds of millions of vanity presses all cranking out whatever anyone with a keyboard wants to say, no matter how stupid - or how vile. (As National Journal's Ron Fournier has said, in the age of the Internet, "every bigot is a publisher.") There's a fair amount of wisdom and information hiding out there, but there's no escaping Sturgeon's Law.
Accessing the Internet can actually make people dumber than if they had never engaged a subject at all. The very act of searching for information makes people think they've learned something, when in fact they're more likely to be immersed in yet more data they do not understand. This happens because after enough time surfing, people no longer can distinguish between things that have flashed before their eyes and things they actually know.
Seeing words on a screen is not the same as reading or understanding them. When a group of experimental psychologists at Yale investigated how people use the Internet, they found that "people who search for information on the Web emerge from the process with an inflated sense of how much they know even regarding topics that are unrelated to the ones they Googled."" This is a kind of electronic version of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, in which the least competent people surfing the web are the least likely to realize that they're not learning anything.
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Hey FN that funny thing has happened again. It says 717 replies to this topic but I only count 687.
It could be server cache.
What comes up for you in incognito mode?
Man, I got sucked into doing that again! Stop it!
I guess it does remind me why I block certain people. The 'unclean' are consistently rubbish and I expect they are the same in real life too. Probably the same sort of guy that sits at the bar by himself, hammered, only to yell out random responses to conversations he is not part of, and with very simplistic thoughts.
Just then I accidentally saw hitch hikers response to my post. I can't believe people think that these replies are clever or insightful. Heck, I could insult people for 13654 posts, but it just makes me a 13654 times loser. I guess it is my fault though; I insulted memes and without memes, what have these people got? Insults?
Hey FN that funny thing has happened again. It says 717 replies to this topic but I only count 687.
It could be server cache.
What comes up for you in incognito mode?
Man, I got sucked into doing that again! Stop it!
I guess it does remind me why I block certain people. The 'unclean' are consistently rubbish and I expect they are the same in real life too. Probably the same sort of guy that sits at the bar by himself, hammered, only to yell out random responses to conversations he is not part of, and with very simplistic thoughts.
Just then I accidentally saw hitch hikers response to my post. I can't believe people think that these replies are clever or insightful. Heck, I could insult people for 13654 posts, but it just makes me a 13654 times loser. I guess it is my fault though; I insulted memes and without memes, what have these people got? Insults?
smiles - cause we made you - high and mightiest of key board warriors - bash at that keyboard again
Its terrible that the paid off celebrities lie.
But its worse when the paid off and voted in politicians lie and dont follow through on there promises.
This guy below is similar to me but obviously can still undertake his work. Almost 2 years to get offered 20k after being lied to and poisoned?
umbrellanews.com.au/featured/2023/06/government-stalls-on-compo-for-covid-vaccine-injuries/?fbclid=IwAR2SCylwLE77bum9nsvD5ueFEoqzcKW_xOnbPazG5yoaE97k-84Dj_KjKdU
Im 2 years into the scheme and yet to be offered anything and my condition is worse and medical bills more expensive then the above.
At what point do I go to the rifle cabinet ?
Cant wait for Formulanobrains to call the vaccine injured man above out or try to discredit him or the journalist to continue his clearly ignorant narrative..
.... I can't believe people think that these replies are clever or insightful. Heck, I could insult people for 13654 posts, but it just makes me a 13654 times loser. I guess it is my fault though; I insulted memes and without memes, what have these people got? Insults?
... Probably the same sort of guy that sits at the bar by himself, hammered, only to yell out random responses to conversations he is not part of, and with very simplistic thoughts.
13655 ?
Cant wait for Formulanobrains to call the vaccine injured man above out or try to discredit him or the journalist to continue his clearly ignorant narrative..
Hold your breath.
I'll be right back....
"Heart inflammation or myocarditis has been identified as an extremely rare side effect of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Professor Jason Kovacic is the lead author on a COVID information document published in the journal Vascular Medicine. The document describes that an estimated 12 myocarditis cases have been reported to occur per one million people aged 12 - 39 years following the second dose of an mRNA vaccine against COVID. This is compared to an estimated 450 cases per million who tested positive for COVID-19 (males under the age of 20)."
www.victorchang.edu.au/myocarditis
The Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute is renowned for the quality of its scientific discoveries and is dedicated to finding cures for cardiovascular disease through world-class and cutting-edge medical research.
The team at the Institute is working urgently to discover better ways of understanding, diagnosing, treating, and preventing the onset of heart disease and is committed to ensuring its research breakthroughs are translated into advances in clinical care.
Founded in 1994, the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute was established in honour of the legendary heart transplant surgeon, Dr Victor Chang AC. In 1996, the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute was officially opened in Sydney Australia, by the late Diana, Princess of Wales.
Beginning with just two scientists, it now has over 230 scientists, doctors, and staff working together across 23 laboratories across the country. Regarded as Australia's home of heart research, the Institute has earned its place on the global stage as one of the most respected medical research facilities in the world.
Its terrible that the paid off celebrities lie.
But its worse when the paid off and voted in politicians lie and dont follow through on there promises.
This guy below is similar to me but obviously can still undertake his work. Almost 2 years to get offered 20k after being lied to and poisoned?
umbrellanews.com.au/featured/2023/06/government-stalls-on-compo-for-covid-vaccine-injuries/?fbclid=IwAR2SCylwLE77bum9nsvD5ueFEoqzcKW_xOnbPazG5yoaE97k-84Dj_KjKdU
Im 2 years into the scheme and yet to be offered anything and my condition is worse and medical bills more expensive then the above.
At what point do I go to the rifle cabinet ?
Cant wait for Formulanobrains to call the vaccine injured man above out or try to discredit him or the journalist to continue his clearly ignorant narrative..
OK, have you contacted the AAT ? I have had recent dealings with them and I must say the process was outstanding on their behalf. Give them a call, it's much less painful that services Australian, you will be put in contact with legal advice. At worst you might find there's no compensation scheme and you'll be in a knowledgeable position to sue for compensation
US Government just released this.
www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Report-on-Potential-Links-Between-the-Wuhan-Institute-of-Virology-and-the-Origins-of-COVID-19-20230623.pdf
The good ol' days when we trusted the science.
"Scientists dispel theory COVID-19 escaped from lab".
www.smh.com.au/national/scientists-dispel-theory-covid-19-escaped-from-lab-20200424-p54mun.html
Will the ABC apologise for misinformation?
US Government just released this.
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Will the ABC apologise for misinformation?
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Speaking of apologies, where is your apology for making me think that Pfizer said its vaccines didn't stop transmission? I was really almost fooled by that one and had doubts about the vaccines. Until I did my own research.
No need to apologise though. Things move on where we all learn.
Copied from the above...
"The National Intelligence Council and four other IC agencies assess that the initial human infection with SARS-CoV-2 most likely was caused by natural exposure to an infected animal that carried SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor, a virus that probably would be more than 99 percent similar to SARS-
CoV-2.
The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons.
The Central Intelligence Agency and another agency remain unable to determine the precise origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, as both hypotheses rely on significant assumptions or face challenges with conflicting reporting.
Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.
It was over two years ago and still is. However, in more recent news....
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ODNI News Release No. 16-23 June 23, 2023
"The report said that while "extensive work" had been conducted on coronaviruses at the Wuhan institute (WIV), the agencies had not found evidence of a specific incident that could have caused the outbreak. We continue to have no indication that the WIV's pre-pandemic research holdings included SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor, nor any direct evidence that a specific research-related incident occurred involving WIV personnel before the pandemic that could have caused the Covid pandemic," the report said."
www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Report-on-Potential-Links-Between-the-Wuhan-Institute-of-Virology-and-the-Origins-of-COVID-19-20230623.pdf
It was over two years ago and still is. However, in more recent news....
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ODNI News Release No. 16-23 June 23, 2023
"The report said that while "extensive work" had been conducted on coronaviruses at the Wuhan institute (WIV), the agencies had not found evidence of a specific incident that could have caused the outbreak. We continue to have no indication that the WIV's pre-pandemic research holdings included SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor, nor any direct evidence that a specific research-related incident occurred involving WIV personnel before the pandemic that could have caused the Covid pandemic," the report said."
www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Report-on-Potential-Links-Between-the-Wuhan-Institute-of-Virology-and-the-Origins-of-COVID-19-20230623.pdf
I have come round to the other way of thinking and now think it was an attempt by China to destroy its entire marketplace in the world so that it didn't need to sell dinky crap to so many people world wide ![]()
One thing that I am a bit intrigued by was the supposed report by the US intelligence agencies (one of them?) that the Wuhan lab seemed to have had a sudden drop in cars parked there and mobile phone activity. This seemed to suggest an 'oh sh1t' moment. Did they have an accident with something 'natural'?
Of course, I am a cynic and don't believe for a moment that the USA would be monitoring the carparks and mobile phone activity of a research facility that the Chinese kicked everyone else out of ![]()
Dr. Mike Yeadon, a former vice president at Pfizer, on how digital ID-in conjunction with CBDCs-could be used to depopulate the planet, with plausible deniability:
"When I saw the design of the vaccines, I knew they were going to injure and kill people, so these are people who don't mind bumping off a few million, a few tens of millions."
"The oncoming digital ID and the necessity to have it for all purposes, and the cashless CBDC... If there was someone who was of bad intent running that, they can make you do anything, like going to get an injection that you don't need, that might be poisonous, which is what I think they'll probably do." "A condition of continued validity, which you require to get money, or enter shops, buy an air ticket, or even get on a train, is dependent on you staying up to date... And I think most people would just keep getting the jabs and hoping it wouldn't get them this time." Full interview: rumble.com/v2v487s-dr.-michael-yeadon.html.
twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1672547732433653761?s=20
Dr. Mike Yeadon, a former vice president at Pfizer, on how digital ID-in conjunction with CBDCs-could be used to depopulate the planet, with plausible deniability:
"When I saw the design of the vaccines, I knew they were going to injure and kill people, so these are people who don't mind bumping off a few million, a few tens of millions."
"The oncoming digital ID and the necessity to have it for all purposes, and the cashless CBDC... If there was someone who was of bad intent running that, they can make you do anything, like going to get an injection that you don't need, that might be poisonous, which is what I think they'll probably do." "A condition of continued validity, which you require to get money, or enter shops, buy an air ticket, or even get on a train, is dependent on you staying up to date... And I think most people would just keep getting the jabs and hoping it wouldn't get them this time." Full interview: rumble.com/v2v487s-dr.-michael-yeadon.html.
twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1672547732433653761?s=20
You lost me at rumble
Dr. Mike Yeadon, a former vice president at Pfizer, on how digital ID-in conjunction with CBDCs-could be used to depopulate the planet, with plausible deniability:
"When I saw the design of the vaccines, I knew they were going to injure and kill people, so these are people who don't mind bumping off a few million, a few tens of millions."
"The oncoming digital ID and the necessity to have it for all purposes, and the cashless CBDC... If there was someone who was of bad intent running that, they can make you do anything, like going to get an injection that you don't need, that might be poisonous, which is what I think they'll probably do." "A condition of continued validity, which you require to get money, or enter shops, buy an air ticket, or even get on a train, is dependent on you staying up to date... And I think most people would just keep getting the jabs and hoping it wouldn't get them this time." Full interview: rumble.com/v2v487s-dr.-michael-yeadon.html.
twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1672547732433653761?s=20
Oh goody, we are aiming for another suspension. I am guessing this is the sort of stuff that had you locked out for a while.