I seem to recall that myocarditis from the vaccine is 14 in a million, myocarditis from COVID is over 400 in a million. I know which odds I prefer.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..snoidberg said..Shifu said..snoidberg said..
Anyone on here still boosting?
Apart from the propaganda bot FormulaNova.
58 years old and boosted to the hilt - covid and influenza and all the rest. Work in a hospital so get freebies. I'm fit strong, capable, and sail faster and longer and better than all of my comrades. Never had covid and don't get the flu.
Brainless crackpots spreading FUD need to get in the room full of mirrors and reflect on the harm they are causing in the name of satisfying their fragile egos with a few moments of noteriety.
Work in a hospital...
How many people at your hospital have been murdered with ventilators and remdesivir?
How many previously young healthy people now have heart inflammation and blood clots?
Sounds like your in denial about the harm your work has done.
The truth is beginning to come out.
Have you checked your head lately for brain swelling? ?? Symptoms are thinking your way better than you actually are.
Sounds like you are in denial about what a pandemic is and why vaccines pretty much resolved it.
Its not comforting to those affected, but in all the studies that have looked at it, these heart problems are more common in people with Covid than those vaccinated.
Of course, would we all have had Covid if there were no vaccines? Would the same people that got heart problems from vaccines have had the same heart problems from Covid itself? Clearly there is no way of knowing, but...
We'll what are you waiting for go line up for your 8th shot.
Select to expand quoteShifu said..snoidberg said..
Work in a hospital...
How many people at your hospital have been murdered with ventilators and remdesivir?
How many previously young healthy people now have heart inflammation and blood clots?
Sounds like your in denial about the harm your work has done.
The truth is beginning to come out.
Have you checked your head lately for brain swelling? ?? Symptoms are thinking your way better than you actually are.
What I saw is hundreds, if not thousands, of highly educated, highly trained professionals come to work day after day in full PPE (including n95 masks) and attend to people in the covid ward and to lines of sick people stretching out onto the street. They got vaccinated, put on their masks and worked their arses off preventing people from dying from a highly contagious and deadly respiratory disease.
What incentives did your hospital get for each (fraudulent) PCR tested covid positive patient admission?
What incentives did your hospital get for each covid patient that got put on remdesivir?
What incentives did your hospital get for each human life put on a ventilator?
When did hospitals stop caring about human life and only about following protocols to make maximum profit.
I had people pickup ivermectin from me in hosptal carparks. I didn't wear a mask and I would talk to them face to face and I didn't get sick. I was told all about the disgusting inhumane things going on in the hospitals.
Highly educated and trained, more like highly indoctrinated and money hungry.
You are trained like a dog to take commands without critical thinking or questioning. You wanted to keep your job and pay your mortgage even tho it went against your ethics.
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I seem to recall that myocarditis from the vaccine is 14 in a million, myocarditis from COVID is over 400 in a million. I know which odds I prefer.
This is what my immunologist quotes every time I visit him. I then ask him what people in these studies were the control group? If Australia is 96% percent vaccinated how did you get the 6% to partake in a study ? It tends to be an awkward conversation especially when he contradicts himself saying vaccines are effective and work and then I remind him I got a heart condition from the jab and then got covid months later as well. So they either work or don't work or the numbers and statistics these people are regurgitating are WRONG.
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What incentives did your hospital get for each (fraudulent) PCR tested covid positive patient admission?
What incentives did your hospital get for each covid patient that got put on remdesivir?
It's just a guess, but I can sort of seeing where you are coming from....
You are swallowing down rubbish from the US where the hospitals there are highly geared towards profitability. I am sure they need to be profitable here too, but not the same as the level that the US seems to think is fair in a 'free' country.
Now, just to yourself, consider whether you got this info from someone in the US and others have just repeated it verbatim without thinking about it. Socialised medicine removes a lot of this greed. They give you the treatment you need, not just the treatment that you can pay for or try to upsell you to something.
No need to tell me your answer, as I think its obvious to me even if not to you.
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It tends to be an awkward conversation especially when he contradicts himself saying vaccines are effective and work and then I remind him I got a heart condition from the jab and then got covid months later as well. So they either work or don't work or the numbers and statistics these people are regurgitating are WRONG.
I think the vaccines work. Every medication has side affects and will affect individuals differently. So little is known about COVID, it might take a few years to unravel what went down, but I'm sure many people think they just know. You said it yourself: you were unlucky.
I hope you get well soon.
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We'll what are you waiting for go line up for your 8th shot.
It's an idiot that takes a stance and refuses to change it based on evidence and knowledge.
I am an idiot, but even I look at it and consider the danger of the current variants versus any risk from vaccination. Do you think "we" hear about the people that have had bad reactions and ignore it? If "we" did, we would be idiots like you.
Instead, its more information to use to weigh up the risks.
I am still not sure, and may get another one.
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It tends to be an awkward conversation especially when he contradicts himself saying vaccines are effective and work and then I remind him I got a heart condition from the jab and then got covid months later as well. So they either work or don't work or the numbers and statistics these people are regurgitating are WRONG.
I think the vaccines work. Every medication has side affects and will affect individuals differently. So little is known about COVID, it might take a few years to unravel what went down, but I'm sure many people think they just know. You said it yourself: you were unlucky.
I hope you get well soon.
IF they work so well why do we have so many excess deaths? Why did Sweden have less people die ?
During the Covid-19 pandemic, 2.4 cases of definite or probable myocarditis and 4.1 cases of definite, probable, or possible myocarditis have been reported per 1000 patients hospitalized for Covid-19. Finally, analysis of currently available data on Covid-19 messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine-related myocarditis suggests an overall incidence of 0.3 to 5.0 cases per 100,000 people in the United States and Israel. The Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency have recently estimated that the risk of myocarditis is about 1 case in 100,000 people vaccinated against Covid-19, with a higher risk among young males.
N Engl J Med 2022;387:1488-500. DOI: 10.1056/NEJMra2114478
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IF they work so well why do we have so many excess deaths? Why did Sweden have less people die ?
Sweden, with a population of 10 million, has had 24,000 COVID deaths so far.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
During the Covid-19 pandemic, 2.4 cases of definite or probable myocarditis and 4.1 cases of definite, probable, or possible myocarditis have been reported per 1000 patients hospitalized for Covid-19. Finally, analysis of currently available data on Covid-19 messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine-related myocarditis suggests an overall incidence of 0.3 to 5.0 cases per 100,000 people in the United States and Israel. The Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency have recently estimated that the risk of myocarditis is about 1 case in 100,000 people vaccinated against Covid-19, with a higher risk among young males.
N Engl J Med 2022;387:1488-500. DOI: 10.1056/NEJMra2114478
Exactly, thank you Remery.. FN seems to be having doubts. The evidence is clear. You're much more likely to get myocarditis if you don't get the 5th shot.
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You said it yourself: you were unlucky.
There is no such thing as luck. If you took the vaccine you took the risk of an adverse reaction. The scandal here is the authorities downplayed the risks of adverse reactions therefore giving the public a distorted sense of the safety. When people were starting to have problems they were ridiculed, called anti-vaxxers & often ignored. This made it hard for the public to make an informed decision based on the risk/reward. Now we have FN seeing that the risks are real and he is hesitating on getting his 5th jab. Good for him. And this is happening because people like ok have spoken up.
A Bayesian network analysis quantifying risks versus benefits of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in Australia
The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is associated with increased myocarditis incidence. Constantly evolving evidence regarding incidence and case fatality of COVID-19 and myocarditis related to infection or vaccination, creates challenges for risk-benefit analysis of vaccination. Challenges are complicated further by emerging evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness, and variable effectiveness against variants. Here, we build on previous work on the COVID-19 Risk Calculator (CoRiCal) by integrating Australian and international data to inform a Bayesian network that calculates probabilities of outcomes for the delta variant under different scenarios of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine coverage, age groups (?12 years), sex, community transmission intensity and vaccine effectiveness. The model estimates that in a population where 5% were unvaccinated, 5% had one dose, 60% had two doses and30% had three doses, there was a substantially greater probability of developing (239-5847 times) and dying (1430-384,684 times) from COVID-19-related than vaccine-associated myocarditis (depending on age and sex). For one million people with this vaccine coverage, where transmission intensity was equivalent to 10% chance of infection over 2 months, 68,813 symptomatic COVID-19cases and 981 deaths would be prevented, with 42 and 16 expected cases of vaccine-associated myocarditis in males and females, respectively. These results justify vaccination in all age groups as vaccine-associated myocarditis is generally mild in the young, andthere is unequivocal evidence for reduced mortality from COVID-19 in older individuals. The model may be updated to include emerging best evidence, data pertinent to different countries or vaccines and other outcomes such as long COVID.
npj Vaccines volume 7, Article number: 93 (2022)
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
There is no such thing as luck. If you took the vaccine you took the risk of an adverse reaction. The scandal here is the authorities downplayed the risks of adverse reactions therefore giving the public a distorted sense of the safety. When people were starting to have problems they were ridiculed, called anti-vaxxers & often ignored. This made it hard for the public to make an informed decision based on the risk/reward. Now we have FN seeing that the risks are real and he is hesitating on getting his 5th jab. Good for him. And this is happening because people like ok have spoken up.
Of course there is a thing called luck. I don't know how you can argue otherwise. Luck plays a big part in our daily lives. Today I found twenty bucks, that was lucky.
OK was unlucky - he knows it also, that's the name of the thread he started.
I'm not denying the other points you made, but that's just how it is, we all get dealt a dud hand from time to time. Life can be very unfair, get on with it, suck it up. Many of us face all sorts of problems that were not of our own doing. Blaming everyone else is pathetic, no one is listening to your whining rants about things that are now.... finished.
It makes you sound like a sad person.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..myscreenname said..
You said it yourself: you were unlucky.
There is no such thing as luck. If you took the vaccine you took the risk of an adverse reaction. The scandal here is the authorities downplayed the risks of adverse reactions therefore giving the public a distorted sense of the safety. When people were starting to have problems they were ridiculed, called anti-vaxxers & often ignored. This made it hard for the public to make an informed decision based on the risk/reward. Now we have FN seeing that the risks are real and he is hesitating on getting his 5th jab. Good for him. And this is happening because people like ok have spoken up.
Bu11****! People were being anti-vaxxers and rejecting it way before they even saw there were any problems with it. You can reframe it anyway you like but those same twats were arguing against vaccines before any vaccines were available let alone when there were cases of adverse reactions.
Speaking of distortion...
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Of course there is a thing called luck. I don't know how you can argue otherwise. Luck plays a big part in our daily lives. Today I found twenty bucks, that was lucky.
There's no such thing as luck.
"Today I found twenty bucks, that was lucky."
If you hadn't left the house you wouldn't have found $20. You might not have considered that by leaving the house there's a 1 in 500 probability (I made those odds up) you would find money but today was your 1 in a 500 day. If you spent all day looking for money on the street I bet your 'luck' in finding money would increase.
"OK was unlucky - he knows it also, that's the name of the thread he started."
Putting aside comorobitities/age/genetics etc, if I told you there was a 1 in 1000 chance you would get an adverse reaction from the vaccine and then you got the adverse reaction, then you were that 1 in 1000. It's got nothing to do with luck and all to do with probability of being in the game.
Like I said, we were led to believe that adverse reactions were extremely rare (1 in 100,000). Therefore people got vaccinated on that presumption. They were shocked when they found out it wasn't as rare (1 in 200?, 1 in 500?, 1 in 1000?) as they had been told.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
There's no such thing as luck.
"Today I found twenty bucks, that was lucky."
If you hadn't left the house you wouldn't have found $20. You might not have considered that by leaving the house there's a 1 in 500 probability (I made those odds up) you would find money but today was your 1 in a 500 day. If you spent all day looking for money on the street I bet your 'luck' in finding money would increase.
"OK was unlucky - he knows it also, that's the name of the thread he started."
Putting aside comorobitities/age/genetics etc, if I told you there was a 1 in 1000 chance you would get an adverse reaction from the vaccine and then you got the adverse reaction, then you were that 1 in 1000. It's got nothing to do with luck and all to do with probability of being in the game.
Like I said, we were led to believe that adverse reactions were extremely rare (1 in 100,000). Therefore people got vaccinated on that presumption. They were shocked when they found out it wasn't as rare (1 in 200?, 1 in 500?, 1 in 1000?) as they had been told.
What sort of twat lives their life questioning the place luck plays in life?
Have you learnt anything from living life blaming others for everything thats wrong?
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What sort of twat lives their life questioning the place luck plays in life?
Someone who doesn't live by superstitions.
Not sure how you don't get it. I'm not Covid vaccinated, what's the likelihood I'll get unlucky & get a vaccine adverse reaction? 0%.
How common are severe side effects from COVID vaccines? And how are they detected?
22/12/2022 | 3 MINS
This article by Professor Chris Blyth, Paediatrician, Infectious Diseases Physician and Clinical Microbiologist from The University of Western Australia and Telethon Kids Institute, Professor Kristine Macartney, from University of Sydney, Professor Allen Cheng, from Monash University, and Professor Julie Leask, from University of Sydney
"Some rare but serious events caused by COVID-19 vaccines were detected within months of the vaccine rollout.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome is a serious but rare clotting disorder. It occurs in around one in 50,000 doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, with 173 cases reported in Australia. This was rapidly reported and its detection shaped the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.
Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) has been seen more frequently, particularly in teenage boys and young men after mRNA vaccines (around two to ten cases for every 100,000 second Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine doses). While most people with myocarditis related to vaccine have mild symptoms and recover over days or weeks, a small number have more serious disease or prolonged symptoms."
www.uwa.edu.au/news/Article/2022/December/How-common-are-severe-side-effects-from-COVID-vaccines-And-how-are-they-detected
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It makes you sound like a sad person.
Oh and talking about sad people, have you considered changing your profile photo?
No, I don't give it much/any thought, but now that you mention it, I'll come up with something new.
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No, but now that you mention it, I'll come up with something new.
haha good on you
Select to expand quoteShifu said..snoidberg said..
Work in a hospital...
How many people at your hospital have been murdered with ventilators and remdesivir?
How many previously young healthy people now have heart inflammation and blood clots?
Sounds like your in denial about the harm your work has done.
The truth is beginning to come out.
Have you checked your head lately for brain swelling? ?? Symptoms are thinking your way better than you actually are.
What I saw is hundreds, if not thousands, of highly educated, highly trained professionals come to work day after day in full PPE (including n95 masks) and attend to people in the covid ward and to lines of sick people stretching out onto the street. They got vaccinated, put on their masks and worked their arses off preventing people from dying from a highly contagious and deadly respiratory disease.
Good on you and your comrades shifu, not only pulling on the gloves to deal with an unknown virus but also being there for car accident trauma, sports incident as well as other nasties like cancer etc. cheers to you and all your comrades
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Flying Dutchman said..myscreenname said..
You said it yourself: you were unlucky.
There is no such thing as luck. If you took the vaccine you took the risk of an adverse reaction. The scandal here is the authorities downplayed the risks of adverse reactions therefore giving the public a distorted sense of the safety. When people were starting to have problems they were ridiculed, called anti-vaxxers & often ignored. This made it hard for the public to make an informed decision based on the risk/reward. Now we have FN seeing that the risks are real and he is hesitating on getting his 5th jab. Good for him. And this is happening because people like ok have spoken up.
Bu11****! People were being anti-vaxxers and rejecting it way before they even saw there were any problems with it. You can reframe it anyway you like but those same twats were arguing against vaccines before any vaccines were available let alone when there were cases of adverse reactions.
Speaking of distortion...
That's because the anti vaxxers know that all vaccines are dangerous. This is how vaccines got liability protection, vaccine manufacturers told governments they can't make vaccines anymore because they were loosing $1000 in lawsuits to every $100 profit they make.
Supreme Court declared : Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe - ruled as such by the US Congress and US Supreme Court. These unavoidably unsafe products, however, are SAFE from indemnity by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Act.
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Good on you and your comrades shifu, not only pulling on the gloves to deal with an unknown virus but also being there for car accident trauma, sports incident as well as other nasties like cancer etc. cheers to you and all your comrades
I'm just an administrator, but I know heaps of Drs and Nurses, and they really do deserve everyone's thanks.
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That's because the anti vaxxers know that all vaccines are dangerous. This is how vaccines got liability protection, vaccine manufacturers told governments they can't make vaccines anymore because they were loosing $1000 in lawsuits to every $100 profit they make.
Supreme Court declared : Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe - ruled as such by the US Congress and US Supreme Court. These unavoidably unsafe products, however, are SAFE from indemnity by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Act.
I think you should change that to 'anti vaxxers swallow all sorts of crap they get sent from people in the US, and no, we don't bother checking any of it if it sounds good to us'.
rickjaffeesq.com/2019/02/16/to-my-vaccine-concerned-friends-stop-saying-that-the-supreme-court-decided-that-vaccines-are-unavoidably-unsafe-it-didnt/
www.ageofautism.com/2018/11/the-supreme-court-did-not-deem-vaccines-unavoidably-unsafe-congress-did.html
For people that supposedly try to understand things, you don't seem to dig very far when the answer fits with what you want to believe.
(For PeterMac that would be "beLIEve")
The first bit about "loosing" $1000 to every $100 profit they make; well that bit I can believe that you wrote and not just because of the mispelling of losing. Then again it could be anyone trying to bolster their argument with a random 'fact' and they can't spell 'losing'.
Any injection into the human body is dangerous. Taking unknown drugs is dangerous. Swimming in the ocean is dangerous.
Edit: Oh dear, my OCD is coming back and I can't help it....
You said " These unavoidably unsafe products, however, are SAFE from indemnity by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Act." - Do you or whoever wrote this understand what you have written?
They are "safe from indemnity"? Grab a dictionary from the library and lookup that word indemnity. Then try and apply the opposite of it and see where that takes you. They are safe from indemnity?
..and by the way:
healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-u-s-national-childhood-vaccine-injury-act-does-not-stop-people-from-suing-vaccine-manufacturers/
Is that what creates antivaxxers? They get sent all sorts of incorrect crap and jump on it, or are they antivaxxers before they read that crap and it just reinforces their views?
How is anyone expected to be convinced by this evidence if the people providing it don't even understand what they are saying?
I guess 'do your own research' means "because I don't have a clue what it means, I hope you can figure it out".
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
You said " These unavoidably unsafe products, however, are SAFE from indemnity by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Act." - Do you or whoever wrote this understand what you have written?
They are "safe from indemnity"? Grab a dictionary from the library and lookup that word indemnity. Then try and apply the opposite of it and see where that takes you. They are safe from indemnity?
Who said you can be a pedant? I'll bet you don't even use the apostrophe when you type "'phone".
I don't know what happened to the link about ridiculous interpretation on twitter regarding an interesting scientific paper on vaccine batch safety. This commentary puts the scientific findings in perspective.
"Overall, vaccine quality control is not perfect. Some defective vials might get distributed to the public in rare instances, with unclear safety consequences. In this sense, vaccines themselves are not unsafe by design but might be unsafe due to human error. Still, we should be optimistic that such an issue, as well as its potential solution, is being discussed in the scientific community for the betterment of public health."
medium.com/microbial-instincts/vaccine-safety-roulette-can-the-batch-determine-your-vaccine-safety-979edc22da2e
