Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
Hey FN that funny thing has happened again. It says 717 replies to this topic but I only count 687.
It could be server cache.
What comes up for you in incognito mode?
Ooohhh, I suspect you are trying to tell me something. Do I check it or just ignore it? "server cache" - yeah right, I think you know I don't believe this for a second, but a good try I guess 
Last time I went into incognitio mode I just reminded myself why I have blocked some people from my view. It's good in a way as you confirm why, but also frustrating as I see the way some people 'argue/discuss' is so weird to what i would do. Normally I think I would get along with people in real life even if I disagree with them on here, but some people here are just so different that i would dislike them in real life too.
Not that it matters. I block them, they talk into a void, we are all happier that way.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..ok said..
Quick FACT sheet refresher ! Remember there's no way to stop the spread of an airborne virus. None at alllll. Unless you count the vacuume of space that is
So where'd the flu go in 2020/21?
Oh no, I don't have a meme to explain that one. You mean the flu went dormant because people wore masks and isolated?
Nup, not possible as we have been told otherwise.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
That video was so interesting, that I thought I was talking to myself 
Well, not quite that weird, but it was refreshing to hear what I see and hear in real life is not just my imagination and is a thing.
Where will it all end? If we all think that we know it all, do we stop listening to the experts that we should be listening to? Is that how humanity ends? We find something is going to affect the earth and we ignore it and perish because we think we know better than the experts?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..remery said..
That video was so interesting, that I thought I was talking to myself
Well, not quite that weird, but it was refreshing to hear what I see and hear in real life is not just my imagination and is a thing.
Where will it all end? If we all think that we know it all, do we stop listening to the experts that we should be listening to? Is that how humanity ends? We find something is going to affect the earth and we ignore it and perish because we think we know better than the experts?
Who should we listen to?? Those who aren't profiting off fear mongering into putting poison in your body multiple times after lying about the efficacy. I'm starting to listen to those who are fit, healthy and disciplined.
You no the ones who haven't got covid, haven't put garbage vaccines into there bodies and who were correct on almost everything the last few years.
"Conspiracy: For decades, tobacco companies buried evidence that smoking is deadly.
The truth: At the beginning of the 1950s, research was showing an indisputable statistical link between smoking and lung cancer, but it wasn't until the late 1990s that Philip Morris, the nation's largest cigarette maker at the time, even admitted that smoking could cause cancer."
Dig a little deeper and we see that the same shills for big tobacco worked for big oil in denying climate change.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Dig a little deeper and we see that the same shills for big tobacco worked for .....
For a moment I thought that was going to say...."big pharma".
Where can I see big pharma ?
I've seen the big banana, the big prawn, the big avocado, the big merino, the big pineapple, the big cassowary, the big guitar...
I even saw big Clive once at the airport.
I did once have the biggest parma in Carnarvon, but maybe next road trip I'll go looking for the big pharma....
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Where can I see big pharma ?
I've seen the big banana, the big prawn, the big avocado, the big merino, the big pineapple, the big cassowary, the big guitar...
I even saw big Clive once at the airport.
I did once have the biggest parma in Carnarvon, but maybe next road trip I'll go looking for the big pharma....
Go to your local doctors surgery and you can the big pharma machine. I'm in a waiting room right now. A overweight unwell man just walked in for another issue and they banged his 5th shot in him while he waited. his words " my sons really unwell at the moment. He is a self employed house painter, if he doesn't work he doesn't get paid. COVID's got him really bad and he has had 4 shots"
you'd think after 4 shots n still getting unwell it would be obvious they don't work..
when are they going to promote healthy life choices? They aren't.
Select to expand quoteok said..Carantoc said..
Where can I see big pharma ?
I've seen the big banana, the big prawn, the big avocado, the big merino, the big pineapple, the big cassowary, the big guitar...
I even saw big Clive once at the airport.
I did once have the biggest parma in Carnarvon, but maybe next road trip I'll go looking for the big pharma....
Go to your local doctors surgery and you can the big pharma machine. I'm in a waiting room right now. A overweight unwell man just walked in for another issue and they banged his 5th shot in him while he waited. his words " my sons really unwell at the moment. He is a self employed house painter, if he doesn't work he doesn't get paid. COVID's got him really bad and he has had 4 shots"
you'd think after 4 shots n still getting unwell it would be obvious they don't work..
when are they going to promote healthy life choices? They aren't.
In your experience.
Every time I see my GP, she's always on about my diet and whether I'm exercising, while checking how I'm tracking with weight loss journey that I only instigated on her advice.
She also recommends I get my booster an flu shot.
Go figure .
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Normally I think I would get along with people in real life even if I disagree with them on here, but some people here are just so different that i would dislike them in real life too.
Not that it matters. I block them, they talk into a void, we are all happier that way.
For several years I had to work with a guy that was extremely caustic. It was all via email as he was in an interstate office. Every message full of vitriole, bordering on verbal abuse, not just to me, but to others in my office to. Then after about 5 years, there was a day where he was in Sydney and we had a face-to-face meeting arranged in my office. I really wasn't looking forward to it. He ended up being the most sincere, likeable, reasonable person you'd ever hope to work with. It still bewilders me how this could possibly have been the same guy that wrote all those emails.
It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..FormulaNova said..
Normally I think I would get along with people in real life even if I disagree with them on here, but some people here are just so different that i would dislike them in real life too.
Not that it matters. I block them, they talk into a void, we are all happier that way.
For several years I had to work with a guy that was extremely caustic. It was all via email as he was in an interstate office. Every message full of vitriole, bordering on verbal abuse, not just to me, but to others in my office to. Then after about 5 years, there was a day where he was in Sydney and we had a face-to-face meeting arranged in my office. I really wasn't looking forward to it. He ended up being the most sincere, likeable, reasonable person you'd ever hope to work with. It still bewilders me how this could possibly have been the same guy that wrote all those emails.
It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.
Make sure we include Choco and his knife collection for maximum entertainment.
(Referring his latest funny image upload)
Select to expand quoteHarrow.
It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..Harrow.
It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.
I have actually met PM33 in real life, not that he knows it. I was sort of disappointed. I expected to hear all sorts of Conspiracy Theories, but heard nothing. I suspect it would have needed the right situation to bring it up. (Maybe he was being monitored at the time? 
)
I have met a lot of windsurfing people at a couple of events a fair while back. Most people get along and rarely do you hear controversial opinions about anything. Everyone just finds a common topic and talks. If they don't like it they walk away.
The thing about some people, and I am not talking just about CTers, but some people bring you to their topic and just keep on about it and ignore clear signs that you are not interested in it. I think CTers would take this sign of disinterest as a sign that you are actually surprised and learning something and want them to tell you more about why the queen mother had a lizard baby on mars and that is why the earth is flat.
Then again, some are just weird and post memes
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..
...It makes me wonder what it would be like if everyone in this forum was in the same room one day.
Pretty sure Laurie would immediately lock the door.
Then breathe a giant sigh of relief.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I have actually met PM33 in real life, not that he knows it. I was sort of disappointed. I expected to hear all sorts of Conspiracy Theories, but heard nothing. I suspect it would have needed the right situation to bring it up. (Maybe he was being monitored at the time? )
I have met a lot of windsurfing people at a couple of events a fair while back. Most people get along and rarely do you hear controversial opinions about anything. Everyone just finds a common topic and talks. If they don't like it they walk away.
The thing about some people, and I am not talking just about CTers, but some people bring you to their topic and just keep on about it and ignore clear signs that you are not interested in it. I think CTers would take this sign of disinterest as a sign that you are actually surprised and learning something and want them to tell you more about why the queen mother had a lizard baby on mars and that is why the earth is flat.
Then again, some are just weird and post memes
That is an interesting post. I worked with a scientist for over 30 years, he was a very smart analytical person. Prior to his retirement he became increasingly weird. He imagined that the Port Arthur killings were fabricated. He asked me to scan some pages from a conspiracy theorist book that supported his imaginations that there is now way someone could shoot that many people (obviously I refused). Which got me got me thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the brains of these CT people work.
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That is an interesting post. I worked with a scientist for over 30 years, he was a very smart analytical person. Prior to his retirement he became increasingly weird. He imagined that the Port Arthur killings were fabricated. He asked me to scan some pages from a conspiracy theorist book that supported his imaginations that there is now way someone could shoot that many people (obviously I refused). Which got me got me thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the brains of these CT people work.
According to this USA 2009 poll, 33% of scientists believe in God. Not a lot of peer reviewed data to prove their belief. It's not just CTist's that have a vivid imagination.
www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20poll%2C%20just,universal%20spirit%20or%20higher%20power.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..remery said..
That is an interesting post. I worked with a scientist for over 30 years, he was a very smart analytical person. Prior to his retirement he became increasingly weird. He imagined that the Port Arthur killings were fabricated. He asked me to scan some pages from a conspiracy theorist book that supported his imaginations that there is now way someone could shoot that many people (obviously I refused). Which got me got me thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the brains of these CT people work.
According to this USA 2009 poll, 33% of scientists believe in God. Not a lot of peer reviewed data to prove their belief. It's not just CTist's that have a vivid imagination.
www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20poll%2C%20just,universal%20spirit%20or%20higher%20power.
Well they're certainly doing better than average citizen.
At least the vast majority reckon evolution is actually real, so maybe their take on religion isn't too hardcore.
"When it comes to contemporary scientific issues, these differences are often even larger. Most notably, 87% of scientists say that humans and other living things have evolved over time and that evolution is the result of natural processes such as natural selection. Just 32% of the public accepts this as true."
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..remery said..
That is an interesting post. I worked with a scientist for over 30 years, he was a very smart analytical person. Prior to his retirement he became increasingly weird. He imagined that the Port Arthur killings were fabricated. He asked me to scan some pages from a conspiracy theorist book that supported his imaginations that there is now way someone could shoot that many people (obviously I refused). Which got me got me thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the brains of these CT people work.
According to this USA 2009 poll, 33% of scientists believe in God. Not a lot of peer reviewed data to prove their belief. It's not just CTist's that have a vivid imagination.
www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20poll%2C%20just,universal%20spirit%20or%20higher%20power.
I think (from memory at least) that there is meant to be a part of our brain that makes us believe in god/gods/something else. This could be a result of evolution and serving one purpose and creating another effect. Whatever. I don't think believing or not believing is specifically based on intelligence or education or anything.
I think it requires acceptance of belief, and if you accept this, nothing else matters or could affect the outcome. In other words, if you accept that your belief does not need to be supported by evidence, then how could that change?
I think the USA is a more religious country compared to ours so I am not surprised that there are more Scientist believers there.
Select to expand quoteremery said..FormulaNova said..
I have actually met PM33 in real life, not that he knows it. I was sort of disappointed. I expected to hear all sorts of Conspiracy Theories, but heard nothing. I suspect it would have needed the right situation to bring it up. (Maybe he was being monitored at the time? )
I have met a lot of windsurfing people at a couple of events a fair while back. Most people get along and rarely do you hear controversial opinions about anything. Everyone just finds a common topic and talks. If they don't like it they walk away.
The thing about some people, and I am not talking just about CTers, but some people bring you to their topic and just keep on about it and ignore clear signs that you are not interested in it. I think CTers would take this sign of disinterest as a sign that you are actually surprised and learning something and want them to tell you more about why the queen mother had a lizard baby on mars and that is why the earth is flat.
Then again, some are just weird and post memes
That is an interesting post. I worked with a scientist for over 30 years, he was a very smart analytical person. Prior to his retirement he became increasingly weird. He imagined that the Port Arthur killings were fabricated. He asked me to scan some pages from a conspiracy theorist book that supported his imaginations that there is now way someone could shoot that many people (obviously I refused). Which got me got me thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the brains of these CT people work.
We had a physics teacher in high school. Quite clearly a smart man, but he started going on about the existence of space ships in Area 51 that could defy physics and were powered by microwave energy. Really loopy stuff compared to his area of expertise.
I was not surprised when I heard years later that he had a brain tumour.
So if someone believes in all powerful creator God that's understandable but believing in an Alien is loopy. Got it.
In any culture/society there is peer pressure to conform.
The US is without doubt far more religious than AUS. It wouldn't be surprising if some scientists in the US, like many intelligentsia of the past, agree publically with the social norms of the time but privately hold very different views. Locke and Galileo are but two highly influential people for western culture who both requested much of their work not be published until after their deaths for fear of sanctions or reprisals.
Add to this citizens of western democracies are free to believe whatever they wish, opinion/truth/fact become increasingly entwined and highly contentious in a contest for moral high ground.
Now that the discussion has moved along to something interesting, I wonder if somebody who knows a bit of astrophysics can inform me.
Dark matter is supposed to be the majority of matter in the universe and the evidence for that is in the motion of stars and galaxies. So is there dark matter affecting the orbits of the bodies in the solar system?
And as a supplementary question for people who think for themselves, is dark matter distorting light paths enough that the flat earth appears spherical when viewed from a distance?
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
So if someone believes in all powerful creator God that's understandable but believing in an Alien is loopy. Got it.
No, you are loopy. Am not. Are too. Says who.
(did I save a bit of time?)
Edit: I have to ask, where did you get the 'Alien' reference from? I never mentioned Alien. Do you know something about Area 51 that I don't? Please tell me more. Are there aliens there?
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Now that the discussion has moved along to something interesting, I wonder if somebody who knows a bit of astrophysics can inform me.
Dark matter is supposed to be the majority of matter in the universe and the evidence for that is in the motion of stars and galaxies. So is there dark matter affecting the orbits of the bodies in the solar system?
And as a supplementary question for people who think for themselves, is dark matter distorting light paths enough that the flat earth appears spherical when viewed from a distance?
Q1. Quick Google indicates yes because dark matter influences gravitational interactions of large bodies. Daughter's a working, fully functioning astrophysicist so will also run it past her planet sized brain to get the latest goss.
Q2. Yeah, nahhh highly unlikely. Given dark matter appears to interact with gravity and with sufficient gravity (think black hole) light does bend, there is a theoretical possibility. But bringing it back to a human on Earth scale, it's improbable that a human being using their natural senses would fall prey to this hypothetical effect on this very roundish planet.
Incoming sciencey reply from a scientist on the topic of dark matter
Yes that's how we know it exists, despite not being able to observe it. Think of galaxies like a wheel, spinning on an axis. The speed at which they spin means there's gotta be some matter there - gravity isn't enough to explain the speed of their rotation.
Says a smarter person than me.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
So if someone believes in all powerful creator God that's understandable but believing in an Alien is loopy. Got it.
While I personally struggle see how a rational person of science can maintain a belief in a fictional character in a millennias old story. I can understand why they exist.
If 95% of the USA population believes in a Deity, it's likely that these scientists were indoctrinated in whichever belief system from a very early age.
But at the time of that survey it looks like 44% of those scientists had spent enough time and thought to reason their way out of that indoctrination.
So there's hope.
It's the people who think they're reasoning themselves into the belief of imaginary things using "independent thought" that are probably worthy of the loopy moniker
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Incoming sciencey reply from a scientist on the topic of dark matter
Yes that's how we know it exists, despite not being able to observe it. Think of galaxies like a wheel, spinning on an axis. The speed at which they spin means there's gotta be some matter there - gravity isn't enough to explain the speed of their rotation.
Says a smarter person than me.
But didn't Newton work out gravity/orbits on the basis of ordinary matter? Dark matter would make a mess of the calculations.
