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Those boards look good. Ugly paint jobs though. If the fashion cycle keeps going the way it is we'll all be riding needle nose boards with the wide point way back in the next season or two.

hey i just painted my board green and gold just before xmas, i hate being a slave to fashion.

does this mean i can now sail like Kauli and JP?

the hardest bit is trying to tack now, a bit slippery.

Rider5 said...

Back to topic check em out twinnies

i've now ridden the 68, 76 and 84 in 20+ knots for a few days in fnq and as soon as they plane they are fast, point high and follow your turning commands with ease.
an interesting re introduction to twinnies which were let down a decade ago by the fins.
this new twinnie development is good and has some serious legs to run with!

Greenleader-you said these boards were fast once on the plane. Does that mean that they took longer to get onto the plane than similar sized single fins?

Cheers, jens

The JP Twinser Wave 68, 76 and 84

''It is time to get into the future. It is time to change to the style of the new generation; it is time to get on a twinser.

It all started a while ago, when Kauli decided that the most important thing for him was to have as many boards as he could. Try them. Change them. Test them. Change them again. Try them again,. Etc. From all this developement and with his defined and unique style, Kauli finally found the boards that work for him and also for the wave riding style of a new era.

For years we have been missing a change in wave riding style. Freestyle tricks have been added to the rides but not real changes had happened in the core of the riding style in years. You could actually watch Polakows first video and see pretty much the same style we have seen till today. But Kauli and his twinsers have made the difference, and finally, we have his boards available as production boards. The JP Twinser Wave 68, 76 and 84.

Twinsers allow you to turn tighter and be more loose. You might need to adapt your style a bit, but everyone who tries them, loves them.


Kauli’s words: “My Twinsers give you more drive, speed and control because there is always one of the fins in the water. With those boards you will be able to make super tight turns. With a single fin board this is not possible as the fin would be out of the water and you loose control. The cut back potential will just blow you away. The combination of speed, control and maneuverability is just unbelievable. Those boards will improve everyone’s wave riding as it is simply easier to work the waves harder”

Werner Gnigler’s words:
“The unique fin position and angle are set to maximize straight line speed and traction, comparable to that of a single fin board.

The length is kept rather short for a direct and responsive feel.

The boards are equipped with lots of curve in the outline, transitioning to a pointy and thin tail. The thin rails give excellent grip and allow the rider to push and accelerate through tight turns. Going from rail to rail becomes an awesome new experience.

For the bottom shape we use single and double concaves for maximum grip, control and comfort, allowing the rider to remain totally in charge even in big or choppy waves.

By using a rocker line with quite a bit of curve throughout we are able to keep the waterline short, allowing the rider to adjust the radius of his bottom turn at any time and giving the board a loose slashy feeling on the top turn.”

Industry wide it should be pointed out that not everyone at the top end of the sport is loving twinsers - sure they work for alot of crew but there is a VERY deep divide between those that love em and those that you couldnt pay to ride them -

they are an option - and if your style fits they can rock your world - they are not the next quantum leap in performance though. Sure you get some extra wriggle in perfect conditions - but many of those same riders wouldnt touch them in side onshore stuff. So you gain some performance and lose some performance range.

To get the most out of a twinser you have to be a pretty dynamic sailor - stand there and wait for stuff to happen - and it wont.

This year in Hawaii the majority of the Standouts were on singles - and to my eye a few riders even went backwards -convinced that twinsers were going to take their riding to the next level.

and i wouldnt take werner gniglers advice as the be all and end all - what developments have JP brought in over the last 10 years (hint - zero - they take the safe route of waiting for someone else to develop and then copy or refine designs (with some good results occasionally) or poach riders (and their shapes) - its an effective approach but it aint innovative and it doesnt show the initiative that the Quattro and Starboards - and recently F2- of the industry have brought to the sport over the last 10 years) - that sort of innovation is only found in board brands that are run by passionate participating windsurfers.



In fact Jp will often write off innovations - (look at the widestyle freeride movement, Start board programme, pro kids movement, short new school wave board movement - JP are never the innovator and often aggresively undermine the concepts - heck they even tried to undermine the entire market's confidence in board manufacturing technology (most of it proven over the years) last season ) before using them a few seasons later. JP are Probably the world's most conservative board brand. But to give credit they are good at refining and excellent at marketing.

I suspect its a German conservative approach - defend , defend , defend until you have an advantage and then counter attack. Dont take a risk. refine , refine , refine. Its a valid approach.

But Germans and surf shaping technology development have always seemed an incongruous mix to me.

well i have used them and i'm no pro, but i felt that they perform very well to directional changes, foot steering and maneuvres at speed.

easy stuff really, the requirements most ordinary sailors would benefit by riding them, not to mention 3 inches less draught, bloody good for launching in shoreys or going across shallow reefs!

A have read a few people bagging twin fins as a fad, recycled fashion, gimmick etc on this and other forums Yet thes people haven't even tried out a modern twin fin it's based on heresay and their own cynical baggage that is distorting their perception. Some twin fins depending on the shpae of the board are going to be cr4p in some conditions just like some single fin shapes, they give a different feel and ride.
To the cynics that havent tried one and wont it's their loss and they won't even know any different.

why are you making judgements about something you know nothing about then scotty mac knocker?

you've even been knocking the aussie wave titles run by unpaid volunteers because you thought they weren't good enough for you! far canal.

Its nice to see companies having a stab at more specialized wave boards, particularly with a wave riding emphasis. Even if you don't end up riding like Kauli (the ads wouldn't lie surely!) having to adapt to a different rocker line, find some different approaches to moving, sliding and gouging turns on the wave face is good for the soul. Doesn't change the basic problem, finding the waves,wind and time to feed the addiction.

If I was in the UK I'd probably never buy a Twiny because cross to cross off was always a long drive away. However being in NSW we can find cross to cross off for almost all wind directions. Due to that I'm a lot more interested and I'd like to try a board that carves super quick to keep me right in the pocket.

However, at 95kgs, where my most used waveboard is a 99ltr, and my 88ltr DTL board has been unused for 16 months I have to wonder if I'd ever get the opportunity to get out on a twiny?

Do you think the twiny designs would work for 90-100ltr waveboards?