Why not use di-lithium crystals as a core ?

I am sure the speed sailers would be happy, until they got to warp 10 and Scotty couldn't hold it together.

In fact why not put a Klingon cloaking device on sails and make them invisible to kiters ?

(bollocks - page 6 and it is my fault)

No seriously....... Stop.

"Guess who's got a new shovel?..."



"Howard Molson's got a new shovel. It's a lovely shovel, ..."

As others have pointed out, Macro, if you use a handwavium skin over unobtainium core you COULD get a better board at a cost of just 2.5 smarkakles per drowzium.

In real life, in 2012, that is meainingless gibberish. It takes no brains whatsoever to point out that IF we had new materials developed to a practical and economic stage, then we could use them to make boards. That is so completely self-evident that no one who is not up caught up in their own smugness would bother to say it.

In real life, there are problems. Here's one - what happens in 10 years time when a board pressurized to X KpA develops a minute crack and then explodes, sending shrapnel into the poor sods standing around on the beach?

I have a carbon/kevlar/light foam board from 1982 which is extremely stiff and very tough. It was, and would be, also vastly more expensive than you are talking about.

Board designers are often familiar with what happens in sailboat design, and sailboat designers are quite happy to spend several million bucks per boat on high tech construction. When the space shuttle was launched by NASA, the carbon load bay doors were the 15th-25th (IIRC) largest high-tech pre-preg carbon structures in the world. Number 1-14 were racing yachts. These guys don't just use pro and F1 engineers and aeronautical record holding professors to design boats, they also throw buckets of cash and brains at the problem.

These people are not morons and they have a lot of cash and they use F1 and aerospace technology, but this stuff requires more vastly more cash than you are talking about.

My other sport is cycle racing and they have found nothing higher in technology than sailing boats. IIRC top line bike builders like Cervelo are now building top line bikes in technology that MacConaghy Boats was using in 2001.

You, of course, simply worship yourself and assume that you are smarter than all of the boatbuilders, boardbuilders and cycle builders, but that is your own problem.

BTW the man who basically invented the sport and worked with Starboard for years WAS a former NACA geek. by the way. Do you think that he may have had some idea about tech?

[b]FormulaNova said...
In 5 years, no one will remember this topic, and definitely no one will care.

In 5 or 10 years this thread will have its own website ;-)

PS - just popping out to get some more popcorn

Macroscie or whatever the f=ck you call yourself you are a f*cking idiot. In all my years of wind/water sports I have never come across such a complete d+ck head. Get a grip (if you have one to grab) and go back to your nerd camp and design your one design $5 board you f8cking tool.

Since nobody is reading or trying to understand anything I could keep writing for myself end future generations.
Design the concept board construction your grand kids will be using.
You asked Mark what construction, then after while I come up with technological process.
Steps to create 3D board.
1. First we prepare cuboid slightly bigger of boar made of foam weaved with carbon fibres going vertically (90 degree) and 45 degree's in all directions
Foam is used to stabilize delicate carbon matrix
2. Robotic laser will cut from this cuboid precisely desired board shape
3.Next process remove marginal foam to release few millimetres of fibre at surface
4.Applying external skin made of composite carbon fibre and desired bond (epoxy or polycarbonate etc)
5.External skin of board consist then of the reinforcing carbon canvas and anchored fibres penetrating foam foam across.
Now depending on desired mechanical properties internal foam could be removed (dissolved for example) and replaced with other material or gas or liquid.
Could be also left if have sufficient mechanical properties ( for compression)

Such rough prototype could be made even today by weaving traditional board filler with carbon or kevlar thread to be bonded later with external layer -board skin.

OK I think that will be enough... now I could move to Stephen Hawkins to improve on his quantum theory....

Mark _australia said...

Macroscien said...
Since nobody is reading or trying to understand anything

Agreed. But it includes you!
You wanted a $500 board the same as current construction and a number of people said NO, not possible.

So now you are talking star trek stuff even though apparently boards cost too much.

Please advise - do you want a $500 board or a $10,000 board?

As you see nobody want $500 board even if possible. Will not be futuristic but not worse then others.
For most SB readers board is just sacred religion not to be touched.
For me this is just PLAIN THING that always could be improved on but for most of us don't even need to be as boards are already good enough - the rest is the whole ART of riding it - means skills and technique - that could not be bought for any money.
My point was that something that cost $3000 could be made easy ( looking on material and labour at $300-500) as for today.
People keep writing nonsense how cheap the board will disintegrate in no time - but in real life unless you are crazy trickster how you could possibly damage board.
In all my life I saw the only one board ( JP) that broke in half on the waves in Melbourne in quite harsh condition.
90% of the windsurfers here will not be able to damage board made of carton paper and styrofoam.
Unless they do CATAPULTS, BANGING AGAINST ROCKS, DRAGGING THE FIN ON THE BOTTOM which is inexcusable and will damage any board regardless how well made.

Macroscien said...

Mark _australia said...

So now you are talking star trek stuff even though apparently boards cost too much.

I hope no.
I hope that at least one quiet reader that do his own boards in his garage
will take the needle and will tread foam across before laminating.
Another will do the empty shell with thread bridges and with fill it with expandable polyurethane foam.
But obviously 99% of the readers will do nothing but write next vulgarity.
For me it is worth to write even for this 1% if it helps

So, you expect that someone clever enough to build their own boards at home, and understand the materials they are working with, will take your mere untested suggestions and try and implement them?

I think your idea will fall down when they realise what you are suggesting is not practical. Have you even used expanding foam?

I think 1% sounds very optimistic.

Macroscien said...

OK I think that will be enough... now I could move to Stephen Hawkins to improve on his quantum theory....

Yes please stop, CAN THE MODERATORS Please stop this thread, the fumes of this futuristic board are giving me a headache.

Macroscience, go buy CAD3D and just design the board, if someone likes the design, they may look at building a prototype.But the process involved in reaching a final prototype can be the the 10's of thousands $$$ you will never get the design right on the first board or probably not the second one either, you might be lucky on the 3rd but i doubt it. I'm not saying that your ideas are bad.... But I would recommend going and talking to a custom shaper and see what is involved in the final product even for a cheap board.

Copying other designs can be really dangerous as the people that build and design them tend to not like copy cats much at all and will make your life hell before you even lay out the first bit of material for a board.

As I said above go buy CAD and have a try at designing your own board, you can scan in some pictures and reshape the board to suit your own ideas, but don't copy them exactly. Please just stop with this thread.

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c'mon

I for one have been enjoying this thread

Cant decide if I want an unobtanium core or a spider web one and I,m still trying to find out the exchange rate between AUD and drowziums

longwinded said...
Now just waiting to be told that we are all part of an elaborate social experiment.

I think someone has been hypnotised into believing that they can create the ultimate windsurfing board for pennies, and that the rest of the world needs to know.

Genius!!!! Um but how would you get the rods inside the balloon ??

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