I reckon you'd need more than 100 sailors to make a plug worthwhile, and there in lies probably the biggest fault in this idea.

Also I believe it was Glitch, not macro, who posted the details of the made in china boards eps and glass boards. It's like watching a sitcom, where two people are arguing with each other about completely different topics without either of them realising.

That said nothing wrong with EPS and glass, my nude custom is eps and glass, i think with a tiny bit of carbon under the footpads??.

swoosh said...


What macroscience is saying is, that if someone clever could design a board, and enough people preordered the board to get cobra to build a plug etc, they could punch out a bunch of boards for "factory" price.

Thanks for that.
(switch your English detector OFF)
In YEAR one we could design the board build of carbon fibre , at similar to X-FIRE performance at $700 for SB exclusive members

I think that going into High Performance slalom board even as our first board make a sense - not the creepy beginner GO - board or exclusive wave board.

IN Year TWO we could use my AIR GEL technology that make this same board 10x strong and weight no more then 2 kg.
You will brake all your bones faster then you will brake this board.

Open project board allow to introduce innovative ideas regardless of natural evolution of windsurfing technology.

One may introduce the technology and design that is much over evolution but rather revolution it that subject.

Mark _australia said...
^^^ I think you will find the Nude is polystyrene with a glass and PVC sandwich then more glass.

When that Chinese mob say "EPS and glass", I reckon that is all you are getting. Missing a whole layer.....

It is a pic of a windsurf board, with NSP surfboard construction.

You are right ! I don't want a crap that will brake on first wave !!
I do windsurf myself usually in well overpower condition exceeding manufacturer specks and I LOVE IT !!!
We should do a promise or guaranties L: You will brake your bones first before you brake this board !!!

Mark _australia said...

It is a pic of a windsurf board, with NSP surfboard construction.

Absolutely agree with you Mark on all but one point... NSP isn't made in China last time I checked they were made at Cobra, using sandwich construction. They are now using coco mat (coconut husk) and EPS and building some pretty tough boards. I have a NSP SUP as a bash around family and friends board and can say it takes a flogging, with no real damage to date.

Macroscien, macroscien

If you reckon it is such a good idea and that you can produce boards that people want to buy for $300 then shut the **** up, go make some, sell them for $1200, makes 400% profit and take 99% of market share.

You'll be a millionaire over night won't you ?

Or have you no faith in your own idea ?

Imagine what would happen to the current secondhand market for freeride/slalom boards in OZ if you could get a brand new 110L slalom board for around $500-$700!

Macroscien said...
I broke my three carbon booms and now using aluminium with no regrets at all.

you probably mean the opposite

FormulaNova said...

seanhogan said...

Macroscien said...
I broke my three carbon booms and now using aluminium with no regrets at all.

you probably mean the opposite

No, I think he means what he says, although from memory, there were some questions about the breakages of the carbon booms.

They must have been "SB community OEM carbon booms" hahaha
Forgot to put carbon in it...

We hear this every year on here, why are boards so expensive bla bla bla.. they only cost $300 to $350 in materials to make bla bla bla.. yer if you buy 1000 litres of epoxy 2000 meters of glass 1000 meters of carbon, 300 kgs of eps etc.etc etc, you prob will get costs down to that per board..

There are such things as design, devolpement, proto types, molds, machinery to build them, employee's to build them.. shipping etc, etc, etc..

If you have ever built an epoxy board, windsurf or surf, you will know how much work actualy goes into it, hours and hours of shaping, glassing, and every builders worsrt nightmare **** loads of sanding, and then the painting and finishing.

If this was built in Australia, work out how much a highly qualified tradesman would charge for a full weeks work then add $700 for materials to this. If you still winge about board prices after this you need to do another sport. I here tennis is cheap..

swoosh said...

That said nothing wrong with EPS and glass, my nude custom is eps and glass, i think with a tiny bit of carbon under the footpads??.

Try Eps core, 1 to 2 layers of glass, pvc, 2 to 3 layers of glass, 3 layers of carbon under the footpads.. it's not a firewire surfboard...

P.C_simpson said...
We hear this every year on here, why are boards so expensive bla bla bla.. they only cost $300 to $350 in materials to make bla bla bla.. yer if you buy 1000 litres of epoxy 2000 meters of glass 1000 meters of carbon, 300 kgs of eps etc.etc etc, you prob will get costs down to that per board..

There are such things as design, devolpement, proto types, molds, machinery to build them, employee's to build them.. shipping etc, etc, etc..

If you have ever built an epoxy board, windsurf or surf, you will know how much work actualy goes into it, hours and hours of shaping, glassing, and every builders worsrt nightmare **** loads of sanding, and then the painting and finishing.

If this was built in Australia, work out how much a highly qualified tradesman would charge for a full weeks work then add $700 for materials to this. If you still winge about board prices after this you need to do another sport. I here tennis is cheap..

swoosh said...

That said nothing wrong with EPS and glass, my nude custom is eps and glass, i think with a tiny bit of carbon under the footpads??.

Try Eps core, 1 to 2 layers of glass, pvc, 2 to 3 layers of glass, 3 layers of carbon under the footpads.. it's not a firewire surfboard...

Bloody oath

But I think if we all hold hands and WISH it to happen we can get a board each for 50 of us, for $500 each.


Kooommmbayyyahhh

My experience of successful community projects, (you mentioned Linux for example) have nothing to do with saving money!

As an example there are already a few seabreeze'ers that are building fins, in particular, and I doubt very much there doing it purely to save money.

If you approach the problem from the point of view, of building something better, faster,easier or something fun to do you might have some more success.

P.C_simpson said...
If this was built in Australia, work out how much a highly qualified tradesman would charge

That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. Most trades people that I have had contact with in the past couple of years were mediocre at best. Maybe all the good ones moved to WA.

But that said most custom boards build in WA are actually cheaper than the RRP of production boards. And from what I hear both Nude and Stone boards have a pretty good build quality. They certainly look good.

So basically you want to make a "one design".
Think this has been done before.
Read somewhere recently that it may of have killed windsurfing.

FINMEISTER said...
Are you a child? or from another country? as you have sound very naive and have very poor grammer.

Grammar.


Happy to help

Macro, I don't like the idea of under cutting shapers and going to China. It's the wrong attitude for a community project. If you wanted to become a shaper and then invited other budding shapers to create something from scratch, then that would be a fantastic idea.

You gave the example of Microsoft versus Linux. Your idea is more like Microsoft in my opinion. Many software/electronics professions cut their teeth in the early days by making their projects free to use. In the early days at least (not sure now ?), it was all about the learning and sharing knowledge. It was never about the end result. Good on you for being honest anyway.