It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

Is it? Aren't some people getting a wider range with one board, a smaller number of sails, and a foil?

AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast

Lol so nice of you to mention the Lt

Is there a such thing as speed windfoiling? How fast can fast ones go?

It looks like they can go high upwind real fast...

RichardG said..

AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast

windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast

You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.

Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??

RichardG said..

It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity.

This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? Fact that foiling you need to learn a new thing vs zero learning with the lt advanced technological progress....

Oops forgot this was a forum where 99% is me and mine is bigger than yours

AUS 814 said..proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??

RichardG said..

AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast

windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast

You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.

Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??

I never said foiling was the most expensive thing in windsurfing. I did point out that the iQFoil will not be a cheap windsurfing option. It will cost more than the RSX , will be at least as hard to get hold of, in the immediate future, and be just as popular as a result. It may be then that people who desire to race foils cheaply will instead buy free ride foils and boards with sails and maybe race them around a course instead. They will need to develop a cheaper class leaving money in the budget to pay for sailing club memberships. If they don't develop this in sailing clubs in Australia then windfoil course racing will remain an elitist and minority calling.

Rob11 said..

RichardG said..

It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity.

This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? Fact that foiling you need to learn a new thing vs zero learning with the lt advanced technological progress....

Oops forgot this was a forum where 99% is me and mine is bigger than yours

If there's zero learning on an LT (or slalom board, wave board, RB or anything else that doesn't foil) then everyone would finish every event in a dead heat because everyone would know exactly the same techniques as everyone else. That doesn't happen because there is a LOT to learn, just as there's a lot to learn about running, swimming or other sports where technology does not change much.

Some people like to learn new things. Some people like to perfect skills they may already be developing. It's great if people like different things, but it's utterly incorrect to infer that there is nothing to learn unless there is technological change. Chess has not changed for many years but I bet you can't beat the world champion.

Foiling classes are great, but they are less popular than many non-foiling classes. If that's not due to cost and complexity then what is the cause?

Sea Lotus said..
Is there a such thing as speed windfoiling? How fast can fast ones go?

It looks like they can go high upwind real fast...

Top speeds are around 33-35 knots right now. What is very fast are sustained speeds ...

windsufering said..

duzzi said..

windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !

What is so expensive about it? A top of the line aluminum Foil (NP, Moses) is less or around $1000 US, add ... no sails or masts or boom because you can use your equipment. At most you need an additional board, and you can get one fro around $1200-1500, if you do not have already a board with deep tuttle. Then you are set with something that doubles your time on the water if you were a not-below-5.0 sailor.

I have friends who, at around 85-90Kg, now go around with two sails (4.0-4.8) and two boards (B&J + foil) and cover the same range I used to cover with 3 boards and 5 sails (7.3-6.5-5.8-5.0-4.3 ... actually 6 counting the 3.7, I am 72 Kg)

That's great ,you don't need six sets of sails anymore, wind foiling has made windsurfing less expensive !
im sure the reduction of equipment will attract more peeps into windsurfing

Glad you have finally seen the light

windsufering said..
Yep, you don't need to change your sail with every increase of 5 knots when you have a foil !

That's correct

"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.

Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "

- Scott McKercher

www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/

Paducah said..
"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.

Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "

- Scott McKercher

www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/

A mention of that longboard's parentage. I thought foilers did not want to mention these taboo craft here. Anyway foiling is great and a new way of flying on the water. Only a foiler knows the feeling. David Ezzy says once you try foiling you will give up the longboards. Having tried foiling, I don't think I could give up longboards yet and I think the foiling gear and longboards can co-exist separately in a quiver. Foiling is definitely a great thrill.

RichardG said..

Paducah said..
"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.

Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "

- Scott McKercher

www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/

A mention of that longboard's parentage. I thought foilers did not want to mention these taboo craft here. Anyway foiling is great and a new way of flying on the water. Only a foiler knows the feeling. David Ezzy says once you try foiling you will give up the longboards. Having tried foiling, I don't think I could give up longboards yet and I think the foiling gear and longboards can co-exist separately in a quiver. Foiling is definitely a great thrill.

I was quoting someone else who summed up a sentiment rather well that many of us feel. These are his feelings and experiences. The bold is yours, not his.

I never said that anyone should give up longboards nor did the gentleman I quoted. I have three sitting in my garage: two raceboards and a transitional. You are, again, assuming things I have never said.

it's just another awesome part of windsurfing which gives ya more time on water and amazing experiences