Kitepower Australia said...

Flysurfer could not and would not call one of their foil kites a bow kite, very poor anology Saffer, Naming Police HQ, will be notified of your retarded effort.

yeah, because they have enough class not to try call something by the wrong name

Kitepower Australia said...


NSI, actually called their laced, dial tightened contraption, a binding too, they were miles ahead of the beloved wake origin LF brand creation (LF Comps).
Yep the NSI Binding was the original I think, not LF!!

The dial tightened ones were actually another company, not NSI. See www.h2air.com/2Martin2.html and as you can see they were also discontinued. They may have use lace or wiring for their contraction, but that wasn't exactly a lace up, its a twist dial to tighten and probably the exact reason why it failed (salt and sand with mechanics in a footstrap is an invitation for trouble). They did however call theirs bindings, but theirs didn't last very long and didn't do very well. Maybe you should get the hint.

NSI's ratchet foot straps on the other hand are called footstraps because thats what they are and NSI are smart enough to call a spade a spade.

www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=133

A typical binding in my mind has a portion covering the top of your foot (like the cabrihna ones), a portion covering the front of your leg/ankle (unlike the cabrihna ones) and of course a portion at the back of the foot/ankle (unlike the cabrihna ones).

All three = Boot
Top of foot only = Strap
Top of foot and back of foot = sandle binding/ strap with heel bungies

Sync offer support only on top of foot= Strap

How the moderators can let you contiunaly break the rules and let you keep bumping this thread up to the top I just don't know. Why you insist on calling a spoon a fork I also cannot understand.

The product looks great in terms of straps, strap and footpads have been very poor up until the last two years, good too see kitebrands getting serious about them.

v., bound (bound), bind·ing, binds.

v.tr.

1. To tie or secure, as with a rope or cord.
2. To fasten or wrap by encircling, as with a belt or ribbon.
3. To bandage: bound up their wounds.
4. To hold or restrain with or as if with bonds.
5. To compel, obligate, or unite: bound by a deep sense of duty; bound by a common interest in sports.
6. Law. To place under legal obligation by contract or oath.
7. To make certain or irrevocable: bind the deal with a down payment.
8. To apprentice or indenture: was bound out as a servant.
9. To cause to cohere or stick together in a mass: Bind the dry ingredients with milk and eggs.
10. To enclose and fasten (a book or other printed material) between covers.
11. To furnish with an edge or border for protection, reinforcement, or ornamentation.
12. To constipate.
13. Chemistry. To combine with, form a chemical bond with, or be taken up by, as an enzyme with its substrate.

v.intr.

1. To tie up or fasten something.
2. To stick or become stuck: applied a lubricant to keep the moving parts from binding.
3. To be uncomfortably tight or restricting, as clothes.
4. To become compact or solid; cohere.
5. To be compelling or unifying: the ties that bind.
6. Chemistry. To combine chemically or form a chemical bond.

n.

1.
1. The act of binding.
2. The state of being bound.
3. Something that binds.
4. A place where something binds: a bind halfway up the seam of the skirt.
2. Informal. A difficult, restrictive, or unresolvable situation: found themselves in a bind when their car broke down.
3. Music. A tie, slur, or brace.

phrasal verbs:

bind off

1. To cast off in knitting.

bind over Law.

1. To hold on bail or place under bond.

[Middle English binden, from Old English bindan.]

echostorm said...


v., bound (bound), bind·ing, binds.

v.tr.

1. To tie or secure, as with a rope or cord.
2. To fasten or wrap by encircling, as with a belt or ribbon.
3. To bandage: bound up their wounds.
4. To hold or restrain with or as if with bonds.
5. To compel, obligate, or unite: bound by a deep sense of duty; bound by a common interest in sports.
6. Law. To place under legal obligation by contract or oath.
7. To make certain or irrevocable: bind the deal with a down payment.
8. To apprentice or indenture: was bound out as a servant.
9. To cause to cohere or stick together in a mass: Bind the dry ingredients with milk and eggs.
10. To enclose and fasten (a book or other printed material) between covers.
11. To furnish with an edge or border for protection, reinforcement, or ornamentation.
12. To constipate.
13. Chemistry. To combine with, form a chemical bond with, or be taken up by, as an enzyme with its substrate.

v.intr.

1. To tie up or fasten something.
2. To stick or become stuck: applied a lubricant to keep the moving parts from binding.
3. To be uncomfortably tight or restricting, as clothes.
4. To become compact or solid; cohere.
5. To be compelling or unifying: the ties that bind.
6. Chemistry. To combine chemically or form a chemical bond.

n.

1.
1. The act of binding.
2. The state of being bound.
3. Something that binds.
4. A place where something binds: a bind halfway up the seam of the skirt.
2. Informal. A difficult, restrictive, or unresolvable situation: found themselves in a bind when their car broke down.
3. Music. A tie, slur, or brace.

phrasal verbs:

bind off

1. To cast off in knitting.

bind over Law.

1. To hold on bail or place under bond.

[Middle English binden, from Old English bindan.]

So by that definition even a board leash is a binding Damn, all these newbies are already using bindings and here I am stuck with my ol' straps

Saffer said...

yeah, because they have enough class not to try call something by the wrong name

Cabrinha have not called one of their inflatos a foil though have they?
Like I said poor anology, defending that poor logic will get you demoted as a Naming Police officer.
Cabrinha have used a term that fits the product, perfectly, in my opinion, because I have used them.
You have not, so who is being silly here and cannot admit they could be incorrect?.

Saffer said...
The dial tightened ones were actually another company, not NSI. See www.h2air.com/2Martin2.html and as you can see they were also discontinued. They may have use lace or wiring for their contraction, but that wasn't exactly a lace up, its a twist dial to tighten and probably the exact reason why it failed (salt and sand with mechanics in a footstrap is an invitation for trouble). They did however call theirs bindings, but theirs didn't last very long and didn't do very well. Maybe you should get the hint.

NSI's ratchet foot straps on the other hand are called footstraps because thats what they are and NSI are smart enough to call a spade a spade.

www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=133

Yes you are correct, it was the Martin brand, I got sucked into buying some, and yes they do not like sand. They are a lace up design, the lacing was tightened mechanically, thats all.
The term binding suited them well, because like the Sync's they were very different from current footstraps/pads

The NSI ratchet straps, were straps with a ratchet system that did not hold, we had them/imported them too. They were just like other straps on the market, just with a windsurf cam buckle under the neoprene that slipped under pressure. It was also hard to adjust. Totally unlike the Sync BINDING.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

@ Spacemonkey, mate, like wow man, have you noticed that everytime one of youse pimps on the other team posts one of your silly replies, you actually bump the thread back up the top too??
And we all seem to be having a discussion about a kitesurfing related product that is NEW, thats what the forum is for.

Kitepower Australia said...


Cabrinha have used a term that fits the product, perfectly, in my opinion, because I have used them.
You have not, so who is being silly here and cannot admit they could be incorrect?

Sorry, Steve, I don't have to use straps to know they are straps. I can look at a pretty picture and say "Look at the pwetty stwaps". If you need to try something to decide whether its a strap or a binding, then I'm concerned about it. What next, you gonna start calling bow kites c kites because you've tried them and they feel like c's but look like bows?

I don't care whether they give more hold, if it has anything to do with hold then any brand out there with heel straps can claim their straps are bindings because they have more hold. Wait, I can tighten my comps so tight that I could cut off the blood supply, they must be bindings too.

hahaha i like stamps reply too lol.

user said...

hahaha!

Steve is a top guy,with his heart in the right place.
He has lived and breathed kiting longer than some of you have been out of kindergarten.
He will still be in the kite business long after you poseurs have moved on to some radical trend setting game. Most likely sitting at a poker machine and betting on the races while you fill your guts with beer !

Andre Phillipe is promoting these new bindings. If he doesn't know what bindings are ,I will stand rooting in the middle of George St !


Anyway,the discussion is pointless as I have already explained. "Bindings" refers to the part that FIXES your foot ,shoe or boot to your board. That's why it is called a binding. It binds you to the board.

As I said before,the term can be traced back to the 19th Century ! In reference to ski bindings,which is where the term came from.

User, clearly you're starting to believe the Cabrinha marketing machine. Andre Phillip will promote them because he is sponsored by Cabrinha. Whether he rides them in his off time is 100% different question and I put $50 down that he rides his proper bindings when he not doing photo shoots. If you check out his comments on kitescoop, he only rides straps when he is forced to for Cabrinha photo shoots, the rest of the time he is riding bindings.

This is the most pointless argument I have ever seen on SB.

And it's so very long over due!

What great reading, things were getting a bit dull, but this is hilarious!

Go at it boys!

We have to find some way to differentiate real bindings from the backless crap

sounds like a great idea

yours in windy days

The end of this foot doesnt reach the toe grip...
This is a small foot...

It seems like this lace strap wont suit people with small appendages.

Saffer said...

kitecrazzzy said...

did everyone else just miss the post where he said he personally didn't believe they where true bindings in the traditional sense yet as cab has given them the name it is what he is going to promote? seriously, isn't this what we have all be arguing to him as being the root of all the controversy

Nope, he said the exact opposite

Kitepower Australia said...


Cabrinha have used a term that fits the product, perfectly, in my opinion, because I have used them.
You have not, so who is being silly here and cannot admit they could be incorrect?

Thanks for noticing Saffer!

The term "proper bindings" has been reported to Naming Police HQ, the initial report coming back from the chief Namer, who shall remain Nameless, (until named, even though they actually have a name right now) is that Saffer should have used the term Boots, and is risking is position as a Naming Policeperson!!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

stamp said...

check out these new backless shoes of mine

Golly gosh stamp! Your a genius! I wonder if I can get into fancy places and nightclubs with these backless shoes. Make sure you get a patent on those babies.