why do you care

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philn said..

FormulaNova said..

japie said..

FormulaNova said..

remery said..
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Conspiracy theorizing has long been favored by Populists, who are almost invariably anti-elitist, and therefore generally anti-intellectual as well. Because conspiracy theorists almost always wish to see conspiracies exposed, they are typically quite dedicated in their search for evidence relevant to their favourite conspiracy theory and are usually able to overwhelm philosophers with a deluge of evidence in favour of that theory.

I was a bit surprised yesterday. Someone who is normally relatively quiet tried to steer every conversation to Trump versus Biden debates about American politics. Luckily no one else in this social group cares about American politics and ignored him. I was surprised about how vocal he was.

We live in Australia right? Do we really care who the President is in the USA?

Why is it that these guys gravitate towards US politics? Is it because they get wrapped up in the same type of people and these people are based in the US and send content and memes all about US politics? I am surprised about the memes we get here in funny images thread. I would have to understand US politics to even begin to understand them, let alone think they are 'funny'.

You're right of course. American politics should only be of any concern to countries that host a US military base. Can't think why anyone should be watching it here in Australia.

Yeah, you are probably right. I will keep it in mind next time I vote in US elections.

Oh, that's right. We have no way of influencing American politics because clearly we can't vote in their elections. I guess it must be because of all the memes then.

I wonder if Americans sit there pondering Australian political landscapes, because they are allies and have a base here and all that.

Nope, we are so arrogant and have our heads so far up our own behinds that we don't care about Australian politics.

Do you really need to though? At a high level it might be interesting, but generally what we do over here doesn't matter too much. I think generally agreements between countries are made at a diplomatic level anyway so may not have too much difference based on the party in charge.

I don't care too much about US politics as I am making the assumption that the voters there are taking care of it. If it goes one way too far then I figure the other party needs to get their act together.

Having Aus locals getting all excited about US politics has me dumbfounded. At least the people I have met in person that talk about it generally don't have too much insight into it anyway, so it makes it even more confusing. It is like they are cheerleaders but have nothing beneath the surface to base their beliefs on.

So... There were reports that thalidomide was causing Birth defects, they were investigated, thalidomide was removed from the market.

What's your point Joe and Japie?

Drug marketed as over the counter anti-nausea (amongst other things) medication in the mid 50s.

It was deemed completely safe to humans because they physically couldn't give enough to animals to determine LD50, and they did not believe it could cross the placenta.

Marketed under wide range of names in many different countries, was produced in UK in 58.

Did not receive approval in the USA because FDA required more safety evidence, due to some of the reports about birth defects. In fact the way this was handled prompted massive changes to approval process to better ensure safety.

Dr McBride published an article in lancet in 1961 and thalidomide was officially withdrawn by the developer and distributors.

Unfortunately, in those few years, more than 10,000 babies are estimated as being affected.

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D3 said..
What's your point Joe and FD?

Not sure... I never mentioned thalidomide.

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Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
What's your point Joe and FD?

Not sure... I never mentioned thalidomide.

Apologies,

Meant Japie but my brain is suffering from insufficient sleep

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D3 said..

Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
What's your point Joe and FD?

Not sure... I never mentioned thalidomide.

Apologies,

Meant Japie but my brain is suffering from insufficient sleep

No need to pigeon hole me with Japie. If you look closely at the punctuation you'll see I was joking.

From The Subversive Lens...

"An Open Letter to Conspiracy Theorists

I'm going to start with the thesis, the punchline, the takeaway:

You're lazy. Intellectually. Spiritually. Socially.

While scientists are methodically studying and attempting to understand clouds, you're glibly arguing about whether the one overhead looks like a panther.

While others are spending decades of their life in school, clinical rotations, and medical practice-you're showing up at the end, briefly squinting your eyes, then pretending you've overturned their tireless work because you see the amorphous outline of something you don't even have the tools to understand.

While others are submitting their beliefs and opinions to the rigors of introspection and falsifiability, you're floating through life as a listless leaf, pretending you're somehow controlling the wind; pretending that wherever you land is truth. It's admittedly uncomfortable being wrong, which is why you concoct nonsensical premises to validate your preexisting beliefs.

You are taking the path of least resistance, then through your intellectual incuriosity, creating palpable resistance for those who are pulling your dead weight. You're sitting on the shoulders of giants, then pretending you can look down at those shaking under the weight of your staggering, willful ignorance.

You're not a conspiracy theorist because you see something others have failed to notice and deduce; you're a conspiracy theorist because you want the benefit and the appearance of having knowledge, wisdom, and understanding-with precisely none of the effort."

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FormulaNova said..
Too many words. You would need to write it out in a meme.

To be fair, I am sure evolution has created all sorts of thinkers in society. Everyone will have a niche.

Even flat earthers.... who else are you going to throw to the lions while you climb up the nearest tree?

Still labelling those who question the Covax as antivax?!
Seperate issues.
And if conspiracy theorists are always wrong, why do Hilary's witnesses keep dying?
Did Boeing not know there was issues?
And then there's Assange.
Although most may be wrong, it's not helpful to speak in absolutes.

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psychojoe said..
Still labelling those who question the Covax as antivax?!
Seperate issues.
And if conspiracy theorists are always wrong, why do Hilary's witnesses keep dying?
Did Boeing not know there was issues?
And then there's Assange.
Although most may be wrong, it's not helpful to speak in absolutes.

Did I mention the COVID-19 vaccine?
Separate.
Hillary.
Boeing did know there were issues with the Mx 8.
Assange has done his time.
Absolute what?

(p.s. my previous comment was a piss-take directed at Pcdefender)

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psychojoe said..

In defence of the detective, I note that my verified adverse event is still not listed as a possible side effect. It wasn't a medical review that discovered the chromium is water was hexavalent not trivalent, it was a secretary.

Here's the thing, can you imagine how many anti-vax loons post to the TGA Adverse Events Database? I'll give you a clue. About 5 percent of Australians have not been vaccinated against COVID-19. However, when a newspaper recently ran a questionnaire about COVID-19 vaccine status, around 50 percent of respondents claimed they were not vaccinated. Someone is lying here ... and it's not the doctors.

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Carantoc said..

Spoiler alert : Not everyone responds to newspaper questionaires.

Only lie I can see in that is the claim there must be a lie.

Or that there are fanatical liars who will create accounts to propagate their lies.

A large memorial was captured today in the streets of Austria of those injured or killed by the COVID-19 vaccines (substack.com)

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remery said..
Or that there are fanatical liars who will create accounts to propagate their lies.

Do you have any evidence of that or are you just propogating the notion...

Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean it is wrong.

I'd imagine any response to any newspaper questionaire is biased to the readership of the paper when compared to the entire population. Probably why even the ABS do statistical amelioration to their surveys.

Actually I think Mark Skidmore did a survey a few years ago that better explained it.

Remery is being unnecessary harsh and not particularly accurate here.

Skidmore did a survey in the USA and discovered that Republican supporters were less likely to be vaccinated but more likely to "report" they new or new of someone who was killed by a vaccine.

Not lying, but nowhere near accurate

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Pcdefender said..
A large memorial was captured today in the streets of Austria of those injured or killed by the COVID-19 vaccines (substack.com)

So what? There's probably just as many stupid people in Austria as Australia.