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Created by remery > 9 months ago, 3 Jul 2024
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Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
8 Oct 2024 8:16PM
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fangman said..
^ before you click on the link and then mentally face palm yourself for the inanity on the other end, you can try this



The U.S marine and his wife are trying to expose the harm caused by the mandated shots that their very own military database shows.

Here is more of his posts.

x.com/ted_macie/status/1816704359561826395

remery
WA, 3709 posts
8 Oct 2024 10:10PM
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Pcdefender said.

The U.S marine and his wife are trying to expose the harm caused by the mandated shots that their very own military database shows.

Here is more of his posts.

x.com/ted_macie/status/1816704359561826395


"In a tweet posted hours after the video, Macie provided details about his analysis, including two screenshots from the data source. These showed that Macie's calculations relied on the total number of "visits to the provider", including hospitalizations, ambulatory visits, and reportable events.However, an increase in the number of visits doesn't necessarily reflect an increase in the number of diagnoses. Instead, it might result from other factors like changes in medical protocols or health-seeking behavior (for example, an increase in medical visits following pandemic restrictions). Moreover, a single patient can make multiple visits to the clinic, so the number of visits doesn't necessarily reflect the number of actual cases. In fact, the number of visits is likely much larger than the number of cases. Macie's analysis didn't account for these limitations."

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
8 Oct 2024 11:07PM
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Talk about scraping the barrel.

You will go to the very ends of the earth to rationalise to yourself their science.

You also rationalise to yourself the blatant censorship by the MSM of whistleblowers such as this U.S marine is warranted on the grounds of misinformation.

When we have a judge or organisation that is the arbitrator of truth then we no longer have free speech in any context.

A future scenario you likely will be happy with.

fangman
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8 Oct 2024 11:44PM
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Pcdefender said..

When we have a judge or organisation that is the arbitrator of truth then we no longer have free speech in any context.




Oh cool, so I guess you are going to delete your membership to Seabreeze because of their continued unjust arbitration and censorship of free speech. That will show them.

Carantoc
WA, 7188 posts
9 Oct 2024 6:47AM
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remery said...
Grammer you say... are you referring to Kelsey Grammer?




err... Nope.

[Hint: it was a reference to Alanis Morissette]

Anyways, you seemed to sidestep the question of which collection of Urdu poetry from Raheel Farooq you'd recommend us all read.

I mean surely you are actually a fan of his work and you didn't just find a random quote on the internet that affirmed your predisposed opnion in order to argue against people finding random things on the internet to support their predisposed opinion, I mean that would be ironic.

Ironic like having 10,000 spoons when all you want is a knife, or like a free ride when you've already paid, or like spelling 'grammar' wrong when making a sarcastical comment about somebody's pedant for picking up spelling and grammar-ar-ar-eeer....... don't you think.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
9 Oct 2024 5:57PM
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Carantoc said..

Perhaps Raheel Farooq will follow up with a sequal to his book titled "Why I am a Muslim: And a Christian and a Jew and a scientist" just for yourself ?


Sequel.

Best regards.

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
9 Oct 2024 11:53PM
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x.com/Censored4sure/status/1843338734143451493


A major study involving 1.7 million children has found that heart damage only appeared in children who had received Covid shots.

Not a single unvaccinated child in the group suffered from heart related problems.........

fangman
WA, 1906 posts
10 Oct 2024 12:56AM
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Pcdefender said..
x.com/Censored4sure/status/1843338734143451493


A major study involving 1.7 million children has found that heart damage only appeared in children who had received Covid shots.

Not a single unvaccinated child in the group suffered from heart related problems.........


So still posting on SB despite their censorship of Freedom of Speech seems a tad hypocritical.
Anyhoo, I didn't find anything on Google Scholar for Frank Bergman related to vaccine harm.
I assume you have applied some critical thinking and read the study before posting it on this thread, so can you please post a link to Bergman's paper please?

Carantoc
WA, 7188 posts
10 Oct 2024 7:12AM
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remery said..
Sequel.

Best regards


I didn't find anything on Google bibliography for Raheel Farooq related to any works titled "Sequel" or "Best Regards"
I assume you have applied some critical thinking and read his work before posting it on this thread, so can you please post a link to Farooq's "Sequel" please?

(oh, just to make easy for you)

Tanks aloot

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
10 Oct 2024 12:09PM
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Pcdefender said..
x.com/Censored4sure/status/1843338734143451493


A major study involving 1.7 million children has found that heart damage only appeared in children who had received Covid shots.

Not a single unvaccinated child in the group suffered from heart related problems......... my




So still posting on SB despite their censorship of Freedom of Speech seems a tad hypocritical.
Anyhoo, I didn't find anything on Google Scholar for Frank Bergman related to vaccine harm.
I assume you have applied some critical thinking and read the study before posting it on this thread, so can you please post a link to Bergman's paper please?



Here's a link below. No Ive not read all 29 pages. Here is a screen shot of the conclusion:



And the link:

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.05.20.24306810v1.full.pdf

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
10 Oct 2024 12:34PM
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As predicted the whole Covid19 narrative is crumbling before our eyes. Here is a very interesting article from The Stanford Review. I don't know that much about Stanford but I'm sure our resident expert on ScienceTM will be able to come up with his standard response. Which is to throw critical thought out of the window and vilify the content and producer thereof.

Anyway they Published Scott Atlases Comments On Censorship, Academic Freedom, and the Pandemic.

For a little perspective:

Scott W. Atlas, MD is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow in health policy at Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and served as Advisor to the President and on the White House Coronavirus Task Force from August through November 2020.

He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. Says a lot for Trump's ability to follow sane advice. Either that or it says a lot for the ability of Fauci and his pals to drown sane advice. My words.

An excerpt from the article is particularly poignant to this thread: Students cannot learn critical thinking without hearing differing views, especially ideas they may not agree with - and critical thinking is THE most important lesson to learn in college.

stanfordreview.org/dr-scott-atlas-on-censorship-academic-freedom-and-the-pandemic/

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 9:44AM
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"CONCLUSIONS:
Hospitalization for COVID-19 represents a coronary artery disease risk equivalent, with post-acute myocardial infarction and stroke risk particularly heightened in non-O blood types. These results may have important clinical implications and represent, to our knowledge, one of the first examples of a gene-pathogen exposure interaction for thrombotic events."

www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.124.321001

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 10:00AM
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I perused all 29 pages of this pre-print and noticed... "No children experienced a myocarditis event, all 3 pericarditis events occurred after first vaccination and did not require hospitalisation or critical care."

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 10:04AM
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As predicted the whole Covid19 narrative is crumbling before our eyes. Here is a very interesting article from The Stanford Review. I don't know that much about Stanford but I'm sure our resident expert on ScienceTM will be able to come up with his standard response. Which is to throw critical thought out of the window and vilify the content and producer thereof.

Anyway they Published Scott Atlases Comments On Censorship, Academic Freedom, and the Pandemic.

For a little perspective:

Scott W. Atlas, MD is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow in health policy at Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and served as Advisor to the President and on the White House Coronavirus Task Force from August through November 2020.

He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. Says a lot for Trump's ability to follow sane advice. Either that or it says a lot for the ability of Fauci and his pals to drown sane advice. My words.

An excerpt from the article is particularly poignant to this thread: Students cannot learn critical thinking without hearing differing views, especially ideas they may not agree with - and critical thinking is THE most important lesson to learn in college.

stanfordreview.org/dr-scott-atlas-on-censorship-academic-freedom-and-the-pandemic/



"Atlas was selected by President Donald Trump in August 2020 to serve as an advisor on the White House Coronavirus Task Force. In that role, Atlas at times said misinformation about COVID-19, such as theories that face masks and social distancing were not effective in slowing the spread of the coronavirus. His statements and influence on policies caused controversy within the task force. Contrary to the recommendations of most of the scientific community, Atlas recommended establishing herd immunity by allowing or encouraging low-risk people to get COVID-19 while attempting to protect more vulnerable people.

He advocated that states should not engage in COVID-19 testing of virus-exposed but asymptomatic individuals, called for faster reopening of schools and businesses, and encouraged residents to resist or "rise up" against state restrictions adopted to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Atlas resigned from his position in the White House on November 30, 2020."

Let's see how things worked out for the US under the leadership and Trump and Atlas.

USA ranked #14 - 3,642 deaths per million.
Australia #108 - 937 deaths per million
Japan ranked #129 - 595 deaths per million.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 10:11AM
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"[Atlas] is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank at Stanford University. Unlike some other experts on the task force, he did not have a specialty in either infectious diseases or public health. Instead, he focuses on healthcare policy and has a background in neuroradiology, which is the reading of X-rays, CT scans, and MRIs."

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
10 Oct 2024 1:24PM
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remery said..

japie said..
As predicted the whole Covid19 narrative is crumbling before our eyes. Here is a very interesting article from The Stanford Review. I don't know that much about Stanford but I'm sure our resident expert on ScienceTM will be able to come up with his standard response. Which is to throw critical thought out of the window and vilify the content and producer thereof.

Anyway they Published Scott Atlases Comments On Censorship, Academic Freedom, and the Pandemic.

For a little perspective:

Scott W. Atlas, MD is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow in health policy at Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and served as Advisor to the President and on the White House Coronavirus Task Force from August through November 2020.

He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. Says a lot for Trump's ability to follow sane advice. Either that or it says a lot for the ability of Fauci and his pals to drown sane advice. My words.

An excerpt from the article is particularly poignant to this thread: Students cannot learn critical thinking without hearing differing views, especially ideas they may not agree with - and critical thinking is THE most important lesson to learn in college.

stanfordreview.org/dr-scott-atlas-on-censorship-academic-freedom-and-the-pandemic/




"Atlas was selected by President Donald Trump in August 2020 to serve as an advisor on the White House Coronavirus Task Force. In that role, Atlas at times said misinformation about COVID-19, such as theories that face masks and social distancing were not effective in slowing the spread of the coronavirus. His statements and influence on policies caused controversy within the task force. Contrary to the recommendations of most of the scientific community, Atlas recommended establishing herd immunity by allowing or encouraging low-risk people to get COVID-19 while attempting to protect more vulnerable people.

He advocated that states should not engage in COVID-19 testing of virus-exposed but asymptomatic individuals, called for faster reopening of schools and businesses, and encouraged residents to resist or "rise up" against state restrictions adopted to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Atlas resigned from his position in the White House on November 30, 2020."

Let's see how things worked out for the US under the leadership and Trump and Atlas.

USA ranked #14 - 3,642 deaths per million.
Australia #108 - 937 deaths per million
Japan ranked #129 - 595 deaths per million.


As a recognised authority on public health Atlas advised for targeted protection. I recall listening to him speaking out about why he resigned at the time. It was because his advice was being ignored.

The tactics used were censorship, vilification and lies. Ie misinformation and disinformation.

Ironic that you should quote the mortality rates as being his responsibility when his advice was completely ignored. Perhaps you should look at the US mortality rates from the perspective of their actual approach. Ie waiting until you were that crook then being murdered by ventilator and Run Death Is Near when hospitalised.




D3
WA, 1506 posts
10 Oct 2024 12:47PM
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"He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. "

Why was he the only credentialed expert?

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 2:18PM
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Scott W. Atlas, MD is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow in health policy at Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and served as Advisor to the President and on the White House Coronavirus Task Force from August through November 2020.

He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. Says a lot for Trump's ability to follow sane advice. Either that or it says a lot for the ability of Fauci and his pals to drown sane advice. My words.






There were quite a few physicians and a surgeon on the task force, plus Fauci who is likely the most credentialed expert on public health in living memory.
Atlas, was merely and advisor to the task force.

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
10 Oct 2024 3:32PM
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This is on mainstream media, so clearly it cannot be true:
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/significant-implications-covid-linked-to-huge-spike-in-heart-attacks-years-later/news-story/cc9ca3c79733d5a7403e7ee15044ba41

I wonder if we are going to see further links to heart problems down the line? Are the heart problems seen from vaccines also a common thing with people that had Covid and weren't protected by the vaccine?

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 4:03PM
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FormulaNova said..
This is on mainstream media, so clearly it cannot be true:
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/significant-implications-covid-linked-to-huge-spike-in-heart-attacks-years-later/news-story/cc9ca3c79733d5a7403e7ee15044ba41

I wonder if we are going to see further links to heart problems down the line? Are the heart problems seen from vaccines also a common thing with people that had Covid and weren't protected by the vaccine?


Possibly people who caught covid and got really sick, so then decided to get vaccinated.

"I should GASP have gotten GASP the vaccine GURGLE", was frequently heard in ICU.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 4:06PM
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This is on mainstream media, so clearly it cannot be true:
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/significant-implications-covid-linked-to-huge-spike-in-heart-attacks-years-later/news-story/cc9ca3c79733d5a7403e7ee15044ba41

I wonder if we are going to see further links to heart problems down the line? Are the heart problems seen from vaccines also a common thing with people that had Covid and weren't protected by the vaccine?


Unless the couple of minor colds I've had over the last year were actually covid, I've had no illness from either covid or the vaccination. I'm type O blood type, I wonder if that has something to do with my good fortune.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 4:46PM
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Thursday 10 October 2024, 6pm-7pm, Murdoch Lecture Theatre, UWA Arts Building, RSVP FREE ONLINE via

events.humanitix.com/research-bik

Science builds upon science. Even after peer-review and publication, science papers could still contain images or other data of concern. If not addressed post-publication, papers containing incorrect or even falsified data could lead to wasted time and money spent by other researchers trying to reproduce those results. Several high-profile science misconduct cases have been described, but many more cases remain undetected. Elisabeth Bik is an image forensics detective who left her paid job in industry to search for and report biomedical articles that contain errors or data of concern. She has done a systematic scan of 20,000 papers in 40 journals and found that about 4% of these contained inappropriately duplicated images. In her talk, she will present her work and show several types of inappropriately duplicated images and other examples of errors or research misconduct. In addition, she will show how to report scientific papers of concern, and how journals and institutions handle such allegations. Finally, she will address the growing problems of 'paper mills', for-profit networks that produce and sell large amounts of low-quality or fake papers.

Elisabeth Nik, PhD is a Dutch-American microbiologist who has worked for 15 years at Standford University and 2 years in industry. Since 2019, she is a science integrity volunteer and consultant who scans the biomedical literature for images or other data of concern. She has found over 8,000 scientific papers, and her work resulted in over 1,200 retractions and another 1,000 corrections. For her work in science communications and exposing research misconduct, she received the 2021 John Maddox Prize.

Elisabeth Bik's visit is supported by the Forrest Hall Research Foundation, the Office of Research and Institute of Advanced Studies at The University of Western Australia.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
10 Oct 2024 8:08PM
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D3 said..
"He was the only credentialed expert on public health policy on the task force. "

Why was he the only credentialed expert?


I didn't say he was the only credentialed expert. I said he was the only credentialed expert on health policy.


As for Fauci his legacy will be the book by Kennedy dedicated to his corruption. The weasel has failed to contest anything that was written about him in it because he knows full well that he would fail miserably. The prick is the epitome of corrupted bureaucracy. The sleazy bastard has perjured himself time and again. The only thing keeping him out of gaol is the massive support he has from the businesses he enabled to get rich from the public purse.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 5:20PM
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I didn't say he was the only credentialed expert. I said he was the only credentialed expert on health policy.


As for Fauci his legacy will be the book by Kennedy dedicated to his corruption. The weasel has failed to contest anything that was written about him in it because he knows full well that he would fail miserably. The prick is the epitome of corrupted bureaucracy. The sleazy bastard has perjured himself time and again. The only thing keeping him out of gaol is the massive support he has from the businesses he enabled to get rich from the public purse.


Obviously your idea of "credentialed" is very different from people who have, actual credentials... People like Fauci, who is likely the most credentialed health professional alive right now.

Carantoc
WA, 7188 posts
10 Oct 2024 5:25PM
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remery said...
...... my good fortune.


I don't think you are an outlier, and there only by virtue of good fortune.

The majority of people are the same, mild to no covid symptoms and no illness from the vax.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
10 Oct 2024 8:54PM
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The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.
Richard Horton, Editor in chief
The Lancet, 2015

Evidence-based medicine is actually so corrupt as to be useless or harmful,***It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgement of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor.
Marcia Angell, 2009, Former editor in chief
New England Journal of Medicine

The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practise of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it's disgraceful.
Dr Arnold Relman,
2002, Former editor New England Journal of Medicine

I think we have to call it what it is. It is a corruption of the scientific process. It's led me and others to increasingly question the idea that the manufacturer of the drug could ever be considered the right people to evaluate its effectiveness and safety,
Fiona Godlee,
2016 Editor
BMJ

They are committing more crimes than any other business on the planet, and the crimes are worse. They're more serious, and they lead to a huge amount of death. Our prescription drugs are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
Peter G?tzsche, 2013, Co-founder
The Cochrane Collaboration

Our prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in the United States and Europe. Around half of those who die have taken their drugs correctly; the other half die because of errors, such as too high a dose or use of a drug despite contraindications.
Peter G?tzsche, 2014, Co-founder The Cochrane Collaboration

Major reasons for the many drug deaths are impotent drug regulation, widespread crime that includes corruption of the scientific evidence about drugs and bribery of doctors, and lies in drug marketing, which is as harmful as tobacco marketing and, therefore, should be banned.
Peter G?tzsche, 2014, Co-founder
The Cochrane Collaboration

The pharmaceuticals] are committing more crimes than any other business on the planet, and the crimes are worse."
Peter G?tzsche, 2013, Co-founder
The Cochrane Collaboration

"Our prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in the United States and Europe."
Peter G?tzsche, 2014, Co-founder
The Cochrane Collaboration

"Around half of those who die have taken their drugs correctly; the other half die because of errors, such as too high a dose or use of a drug despite contraindications."
Peter G?tzsche, 2014,
Co-founder The Cochrane Collaboration

"Antipsychotics are dangerous drugs that should only be used if there is a compelling reason, and preferably as short-term therapy at a low dose because the drugs produce severe and permanent brain damage."
Peter G?tzsche
Co-founder The Cochrane Collaboration

If peer review was a drug it would never get on the market because we have lots of evidence of its adverse effects and don't have evidence of its benefit.
[i]It's time to slaughter the sacred cow.
Dr Richard Smith, 2015,
Former Editor BMJ

The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of discovering the acceptability - not the validity - of a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong.
Richard Horton, Editor in chief
The Lancet, 2015

What, then, should we think about researchers who use the wrong techniques (either wilfully or in ignorance), use the right techniques wrongly, misinterpret their results, report their results selectively, cite the literature selectively, and draw unjustified conclusions? We should be appalled. Yet numerous studies of the medical literature, in both general and specialist journals, have shown that all of the above phenomena are common. This is surely a scandal.
Prof. Douglas Altman, 1994,
Chief Statistical Advisor,
BMJ

Huge sums of money are spent annually on research that is seriously flawed through the use of inappropriate designs, unrepresentative samples, small samples, incorrect methods of analysis, and faulty interpretation.
Prof. Douglas Altman, 1994,
Chief Statistical Advisor, BMJ

The poor quality of much medical research is widely acknowledged, yet disturbingly the leaders of the medical profession seem only minimally concerned about the problem and make no apparent efforts to find a solution.
Prof. Douglas Altman, 1994,
Chief Statistical Advisor, BMJ

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
10 Oct 2024 8:45PM
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FormulaNova said..
This is on mainstream media, so clearly it cannot be true:
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/significant-implications-covid-linked-to-huge-spike-in-heart-attacks-years-later/news-story/cc9ca3c79733d5a7403e7ee15044ba41

I wonder if we are going to see further links to heart problems down the line? Are the heart problems seen from vaccines also a common thing with people that had Covid and weren't protected by the vaccine?



Unless the couple of minor colds I've had over the last year were actually covid, I've had no illness from either covid or the vaccination. I'm type O blood type, I wonder if that has something to do with my good fortune.


I remember hearing some mention of Covid affecting certain blood types more often than others during the pandemic. Reading this now surprises me, but I guess it can happen. A CTer might think this is to target certain races, but they are probably not aware of different blood types anyway.

I am also type O. I vaguely know that certain blood types are more common in different geographic areas, but I wonder if blood types were modified by evolutionary pressures in different areas, i.e. if there was some value in one over another based on disease endemic to an area.

Back to the original suggestion, I really wouldn't be surprised if there becomes a clear link over time that shows heart problems experienced by vaccination are closely linked to heart problems caused by the virus itself. I guess over time we will see.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
10 Oct 2024 10:50PM
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The scientific fraud lecture by Elizabeth Bik tonight included this slide.


japie
NSW, 7145 posts
11 Oct 2024 5:40AM
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The pharmaceutical and medical industry is awash with charlatans and snake oil salesmen.

Is it all bad? Of course not. I'm testament to that. I recently had a cataract operation. I'd lost all but 20% of my vision in my left eye. To be able to see clearly again is a blessing I'll never be blase' about.

It needs cleaning up with urgency. They've managed to hoodwink vast swathes of the population which has come about solely on account of the profit based model. Corporations are sociopathic by design.
The whole covid debacle demonstrated that with clarity beyond exception. Fortunately there is a growing consensus of people who appreciate that and movement is afoot to change it.

Will they be successful? Who can tell. My own personal opinion is that we will never achieve our potential as human beings whilst we choose to use the economic model that exists in the current paradigm.

Changing that is an endeavour of gargantuan proportions which would be met with gargantuan effort by the leeches that run the show.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
11 Oct 2024 9:00AM
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Elizabeth Bik. Investigated 20,000 papers, she found 4 percent had errors, 2 percent appeared to be deliberate. Most of them were in certain regions of the world. I wouldn't call that "gargantuan".

I found it interesting that one of the main scientific misconduct scenarios was the discrediting of vaccines.



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