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Created by remery > 9 months ago, 3 Jul 2024
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decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
11 Oct 2024 10:01AM
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I get what Japie is saying here.
The World is heavily influenced by mega corporations. And are run on a profit motive.
Just look at the the tobacco and fossil fuel industries.
The medical industry is more regulated, and is held to higher standards, but the same influences are afoot.

The philosophy is interesting.
Big business wants everybody to work harder, we supposedly get better living standards and the rich get richer.
This works for some people but not others.

The multimedia companies are getting more manipulative, sucking us in with sugar coated goodies, to turn us into their pawns.

In the old days, it was done by outright power, if not slaves, then the feudal system had the serfs locked in to sweat.

Now it's much more subtle, and a lot of people aren't even aware it's happening.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Chinese people that are rebelling against the rat race and going of grid.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
11 Oct 2024 11:49AM
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I very much enjoyed Elizabeth Bik's presentation about investigating scientific misconduct. She showed a number of resources that are helpful... including pubpeer.com. I though I would have a look around at some high profile scientists and see what came up. Most of the Australians I looked at were caught up in allegations of reviewing each others' papers.

In doing so I came across this paper which is relevant to earlier discussions: Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: 'Our World in Data' estimates of January 2020 to December 2022 BMJ Public Health (2024) doi: 10.1136/bmjph-2023-000282 issn: 2753-4294. Saskia Mostert, Marcel Hoogland, Minke Huibers, Gertjan Kaspers.pubpeer.com/publications/BD524B3E696274C2F24DFFC8CCA546

Responses on PubPeer from other scientists include:

"A paper was published in BMJ Public Health that has led to dangerous renewed vaccine deaths conspiracy theories. The actuary Stuart McDonald did a brilliant thread yesterday debunking the paper and has given me permission to share it with you as a Substack post. I think it's important that his analysis reaches as many people as possible!" substack.com/home/post/p-145461844

"The hospital employing most of the authors is less than happy: www.prinsesmaximacentrum.nl/nl/nieuws-events/news/het-prinses-maxima-centrum-neemt-afstand-van-publicatie-oversterfte-tijdens-covid-19-pandemie

"In conclusion, excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of COVID-19 containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This is unprecedented and raises serious concerns. During the pandemic, it was emphasised by politicians and the media on a daily basis that every COVID-19 death mattered and every life deserved protection through containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines.". With these kind of sentences it is impossible to understand your hypothesis. You may be more clear. Are you hypothesized that vaccines are responsible of this mortality? If it is, your hypothesis is not supported by data.

"The party that is claimed to have funded this study (foundation world child cancer), has issued an official statement that they have in fact not funded this study and that this research does not fit within the objectives of the foundation. This statement has been shared by Maarten Keulemans (Dutch reporter who wrote about this in national newspaper 'De Volkskrant'): x.com/mkeulemans/status/1800911817126052322

"Originally, the idea was to look at the effect of COVID measures on, among other things, the mortality rate of children with cancer in low-income countries. During the course of the study, the focus shifted and diverted in a direction that we felt was too far from our expertise: pediatric oncology. We are not experts in epidemiology, nor do we want to give that impression. The M?xima Center therefore emphatically distances itself from this publication. We should have been more alert to the formation and results of this publication and will further investigate the way it was created. If it turns out that carelessness was involved in the realization of this publication, it will of course be withdrawn. We, as the Princess M?xima Center, want to emphasize that we strongly support vaccination, and that this publication should certainly not be read as an argument against vaccination."

"Expression of concern: 'Excess mortality across countries in the western world since the COVID-19 pandemic: 'Our World in Data' estimates of January 2020 to December 2022'. Published: 14 June 2024. The integrity team and editors are investigating issues raised regarding the quality and messaging of this work. The Princess M?xima Centre, which is listed as the affiliation of three of the four authors, is also investigating the scientific quality of this study. [1] The integrity team has contacted the institution regarding their investigation. Readers should also be alerted to misreporting and misunderstanding of the work. It has been claimed that the work implies a direct causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and mortality. This study does not establish any such link. The researchers looked only at trends in excess mortality over time, not its causes. The research does not support the claim that vaccines are a major contributory factor to excess deaths since the start of the pandemic. Vaccines have, in fact, been instrumental in reducing the severe illness and death associated with COVID-19 infection."




Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
11 Oct 2024 1:32PM
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Just look at the the tobacco and fossil fuel industries.




In his latest video Neil Oliver mentions that 'renewable' energy in the U.K is subsidized to the tune of 10 billion pounds.

Not sure what time period this is over.

He also mentions that the same Government has taken away the cold weather subsidy this year from pensioners etc. Their lack of empathy should have alarm bells ringing.

Then there's the blatant corruption taking backhanders from the farcically branded clean energy companies that are anything but....

remery
WA, 3709 posts
11 Oct 2024 1:47PM
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Pcdefender said..


In his latest video Neil Oliver mentions that 'renewable' energy in the U.K is subsidized to the tune of 10 billion pounds.

Not sure what time period this is over.

He also mentions that the same Government has taken away the cold weather subsidy this year from pensioners etc. Their lack of empathy should have alarm bells ringing.

Then there's the blatant corruption taking backhanders from the farcically branded clean energy companies that are anything but....


"Analysis published by the International Monetary Fund in October 2021 had estimated that the global production and burning of coal, oil and gas was subsidised by US$5.9 trillion in 2020."

lordslibrary.parliament.uk/oil-and-gas-industry-outside-interests/

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
11 Oct 2024 2:00PM
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So two wrongs make it right?

No comment by you in dropping the cold subsidy allowances for pensioners etc?

remery
WA, 3709 posts
11 Oct 2024 2:17PM
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Cold Weather Payment
Cold Weather Payments are extra payments for people receiving certain benefits, such as Pension Credit, when there's very cold weather.

How much is a Cold Weather Payment?
A Cold Weather Payment is ?25 a week for each 7-day period - or forecasted 7-day period - of cold weather. This only applies between 1 November and 31 March each year.

Am I eligible for the Cold Weather Payment?
To be eligible for Cold Weather Payments the average temperature in your area needs to have been, or be forecasted to be, 0?C or less for 7 days in a row. You can't receive Cold Weather Payments if you live in a care home.

You also need to be receiving certain benefits, such as:

Pension Credit
You'll usually be eligible for Cold Weather Payments if you get Pension Credit.

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
11 Oct 2024 2:45PM
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We are hearing about these daily now it seems.

www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cwy933kz128o

remery
WA, 3709 posts
11 Oct 2024 5:27PM
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"Noussair Mazraoui had COVID-19 during the World Cup and is now suffering from pericarditis, Bayern Munich said. Photo by Pablo Morano/BSR Agency/Getty Images
Bayern Munich said Friday that full-back Noussair Mazraoui tested positive for the coronavirus during Morocco's historic run to the semifinals of the World Cup and has since been found to have swelling around his heart.

Bayern left Mazraoui out of the squad that left on Friday for a winter training camp in Qatar ahead of the Bundesliga season resuming on Jan. 20, citing the inflammation.

The club said Mazraoui tested positive for COVID-19 while at the World Cup in early December and that was the reason he didn't play in Morocco's quarterfinal win over Portugal. His absence was widely attributed to an unspecified illness at the time.
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Bayern said an examination in Munich after the tournament found a "mild inflammation" and that Mazraoui is not available to play "for the time being.'' This kind of inflammation is a known of COVID-19 infection."

philn
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12 Oct 2024 11:14AM
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Pcdefender said..
x.com/Censored4sure/status/1843338734143451493


A major study involving 1.7 million children has found that heart damage only appeared in children who had received Covid shots.

Not a single unvaccinated child in the group suffered from heart related problems.........


x.com/jermbev5420/status/1843728270384312723?s=46&t=Jbt2isgLcZD1wqUrB-acRQ

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
13 Oct 2024 5:01PM
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Pcdefender said..



In his latest video Neil Oliver mentions that 'renewable' energy in the U.K is subsidized to the tune of 10 billion pounds.

Not sure what time period this is over.

He also mentions that the same Government has taken away the cold weather subsidy this year from pensioners etc. Their lack of empathy should have alarm bells ringing.

Then there's the blatant corruption taking backhanders from the farcically branded clean energy companies that are anything but....



"Analysis published by the International Monetary Fund in October 2021 had estimated that the global production and burning of coal, oil and gas was subsidised by US$5.9 trillion in 2020."

lordslibrary.parliament.uk/oil-and-gas-industry-outside-interests/


The International Monetary Fund is just another nest of vipers set up by the globalist central bankers. They are past masters at misrepresenting the truth. Ask any switched on African politician.

"John Perkins is no stranger to making confessions. His well-known book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, revealed how international organizations such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, while publicly professing to "save" suffering countries and economies, instead pull a bait-and-switch on their governments: promising startling growth, gleaming new infrastructure projects and a future of economic prosperity - all of which would occur if those countries borrow huge loans from those organizations. Far from achieving runaway economic growth and success, however, these countries instead fall victim to a crippling and unsustainable debt burden."

If they are outing fossil fuels the agenda is gain in another form which is not transparently visible.

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
14 Oct 2024 2:39PM
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No different viewpoints allowed at this institute.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
14 Oct 2024 3:07PM
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^ I gather you object to people maintaining alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination.

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
14 Oct 2024 3:57PM
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You obviously did not take the time to listen to her speak.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
14 Oct 2024 4:42PM
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You obviously didn't take the time to read my comment.

I'm beginning to think reading and comprehension are not your strong points.

But its not too late for you, I can recommend a number of inexpensive adult literacy courses.

Once you have made some progress (be patient), and can read and understand basic literary outlines (ie not memes or YouTube), you could investigate how critical thinking is part of school courses in Finland, and how their eight year olds are smarter than you.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
14 Oct 2024 8:01PM
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Another interesting development with regard to the MRNA injections. A new motion brought by the Port Hedland Council, in Western Australia, gets a 5-2 majority vote to "Call for an immediate suspension of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 products". These councillors discuss "the seriousness of the matter" around DNA contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [which showed] levels 145x higher than levels deemed safe by the TGA. The councillors say there is "Clear scientific evidence that millions of Australians" could be, or have been, exposed to these risks.

x.com/humanspective/status/1845235881504014578?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
14 Oct 2024 5:17PM
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Another interesting development with regard to the MRNA injections. A new motion brought by the Port Hedland Council, in Western Australia, gets a 5-2 majority vote to "Call for an immediate suspension of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 products". These councillors discuss "the seriousness of the matter" around DNA contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [which showed] levels 145x higher than levels deemed safe by the TGA. The councillors say there is "Clear scientific evidence that millions of Australians" could be, or have been, exposed to these risks.

x.com/humanspective/status/1845235881504014578?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w


Wow, I wonder if the members of the Port Hedland council are chemists or biologists, or just have access to social media?

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
14 Oct 2024 5:22PM
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They will no doubt be labelled as CT's by our resident 'scientist' therefore invalidating any of their concerns.

decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
14 Oct 2024 5:25PM
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For once Pete, I think you're on the money, that is just mind boggling if she's telling the truth.
It doesn't say much for British universities, if stuff like that is the norm.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
14 Oct 2024 8:30PM
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japie said..
Another interesting development with regard to the MRNA injections. A new motion brought by the Port Hedland Council, in Western Australia, gets a 5-2 majority vote to "Call for an immediate suspension of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 products". These councillors discuss "the seriousness of the matter" around DNA contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [which showed] levels 145x higher than levels deemed safe by the TGA. The councillors say there is "Clear scientific evidence that millions of Australians" could be, or have been, exposed to these risks.

x.com/humanspective/status/1845235881504014578?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w




Wow, I wonder if the members of the Port Hedland council are chemists or biologists, or just have access to social media?



You are a funny! They've got access to medical specialists such as Professor Angus Dalgleish. Who are prepared to back their findings and themselves.

Fortunately they've also got access to social media because as sure as night follows day the mainstream media and politicians haven't the guts to make mention of any findings for fear of falling foul of their masters.

Seeping it is. Only damp at this stage. But seeping.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
14 Oct 2024 9:10PM
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Here you go FN. A link to Dalgleish's address to the council explaining the implications of foreign DNA found in the vials.

Watch at your own peril! We don't want you fretting over the possibility that any of your shots were contaminated!
Might also have something to do with the excess mortality perhaps?

x.com/dragonfishy/status/1845614571576541635?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w

Carantoc
WA, 7188 posts
14 Oct 2024 6:24PM
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You are a funny! They've got access to medical specialists such as Professor Angus Dalgleish...



No they don't.

They have the same access to read what is written (or listen to what is said) as you or I. They do not have any inside or specialist 'access' or any other ability to gain knowledge from such people than anyone else.

And any "access" they have had (i.e. reading of comments on social media) has been by individual councillors and not by "the council" as an organisation.

The motion they passed is about as sane as Fremantle council passing a motion to declare there is a planetary climate emergency or some Melbourne council pasing a motion calling for a two state solution to the problems of the middle east.

D3
WA, 1506 posts
14 Oct 2024 6:52PM
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This the same council where one of the councillors travelled to Moscow at the invitation of the Russian government as an "independent" election observer?

Said Putins victory was transparent?

Should I don my foil hat and wonder if there's Russian involvement in this motion?

fangman
WA, 1906 posts
14 Oct 2024 7:00PM
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They will no doubt be labelled as CT's by our resident 'scientist' therefore invalidating any of their concerns.



He certainly is an interesting character: "Councillor Adrian McRae made international headlines in March after appearing on Russian state television endorsing Vladimir Putin" No smoking gun to be seen here people.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-14/wa-council-port-hedland-approves-anti-covid-vaccine-motion/104471064

remery
WA, 3709 posts
14 Oct 2024 7:14PM
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japie said..
Another interesting development with regard to the MRNA injections. A new motion brought by the Port Hedland Council, in Western Australia, gets a 5-2 majority vote to "Call for an immediate suspension of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 products". These councillors discuss "the seriousness of the matter" around DNA contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [which showed] levels 145x higher than levels deemed safe by the TGA. The councillors say there is "Clear scientific evidence that millions of Australians" could be, or have been, exposed to these risks.

x.com/humanspective/status/1845235881504014578?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w


Wow, Port Hedland is one of the epicenters of global medical research.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
14 Oct 2024 7:20PM
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They will no doubt be labelled as CT's by our resident 'scientist' therefore invalidating any of their concerns.


Are you referring to me as one of our resident, qualified, and highly respected scientists? If so, I am prepared to label them, along with you as idiots. It's a very select group. You should be proud.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
14 Oct 2024 7:30PM
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You are a funny! They've got access to medical specialists such as Professor Angus Dalgleish. Who are prepared to back their findings and themselves.

Fortunately they've also got access to social media because as sure as night follows day the mainstream media and politicians haven't the guts to make mention of any findings for fear of falling foul of their masters.

Seeping it is. Only damp at this stage. But seeping.


Here's a tip, stop typing and pay attention to smart people.

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
14 Oct 2024 9:59PM
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japie said..
Another interesting development with regard to the MRNA injections. A new motion brought by the Port Hedland Council, in Western Australia, gets a 5-2 majority vote to "Call for an immediate suspension of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 products". These councillors discuss "the seriousness of the matter" around DNA contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [which showed] levels 145x higher than levels deemed safe by the TGA. The councillors say there is "Clear scientific evidence that millions of Australians" could be, or have been, exposed to these risks.

x.com/humanspective/status/1845235881504014578?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w



Wow, Port Hedland is one of the epicenters of global medical research.



Maybe it should also become the global epicentre for conspiracy theorists truth tellers? They can all go there, drink rainwater fluoridated tap water bottled water and keep an eye out for chemtrails while they don't watch their telly. Maybe a faster internet speed could help them though?

It could have been the epicentre for antivaxxers, but alas, isolation and vaccines seemed to have solved the covid problem.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
15 Oct 2024 11:40AM
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japie said..




You are a funny! They've got access to medical specialists such as Professor Angus Dalgleish. Who are prepared to back their findings and themselves.

Fortunately they've also got access to social media because as sure as night follows day the mainstream media and politicians haven't the guts to make mention of any findings for fear of falling foul of their masters.

Seeping it is. Only damp at this stage. But seeping.



Here's a tip, stop typing and pay attention to smart people.


Got a laugh from that! Thanks.

I make sure I'm paying attention to smart people. Generally speaking the medical people I'm paying attention to are all highly qualified and up until recently considered high achievers in their fields. I listen to them intently. Reason being is that people who are willing to speak out against what they believe to be incorrect and put their livelihoods at risk are, in my estimation, courageous and ethical.

japie
NSW, 7145 posts
15 Oct 2024 11:46AM
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Carantoc said..

japie said..
You are a funny! They've got access to medical specialists such as Professor Angus Dalgleish...




No they don't.

They have the same access to read what is written (or listen to what is said) as you or I. They do not have any inside or specialist 'access' or any other ability to gain knowledge from such people than anyone else.

And any "access" they have had (i.e. reading of comments on social media) has been by individual councillors and not by "the council" as an organisation.

The motion they passed is about as sane as Fremantle council passing a motion to declare there is a planetary climate emergency or some Melbourne council pasing a motion calling for a two state solution to the problems of the middle east.


Oh! Sorry! Must be mistaken in deducing that Angus Dalgleish's personal support gives them access to specialists.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
15 Oct 2024 9:37AM
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