Gunna1 said...

log man said...

Gunna1 said...

We can debate this and other issues until the cows come home. What concerns me more than anything is the fact that, even though we live in a "Democracy" this Government has gone against all the popular opinion in numerous polls and surveys on this subject, as well as Immigration, Nuclear Power, Mining Tax, Resource tax and whole lot more. Oxford Dictionary - Democracy = Government by the whole people of a country! I am no Rhodes scholar, however I think I am smart enough to make informed decisions and I credit the majority of Aussies with same ability however our thoughts are being railroaded by a vocal minority with vested interests.

Try looking up representative democracy......... that's what we have. We elect a government and they make decisions on our behalf . Or try looking up Gunnamocracy . Thats where you get exactly what you want no matter how loony it is. And by the way I don't think popular opinion would be on your side on ANY of those topics

Hate to burst your bubble Loggy and I also I hate copy and paste, however on this occasion I make an exception. I think this counts as popular opinion. From the Nine MSN website this arvo -
VOTE -
Should Australia sell uranium to India?
20391 for
44999 against

is really australia's population just 65390 people?? O.O wow, impressive!

Gunna1 said...

I think I am smart enough to make informed decisions

The problem is that you're not. Nothing personal, neither am I.

Let's pick a random example of yours. Minerals Resource Rent Tax (which I think you've confused and called 2 things).

To direct this countries tax policy, what we need is the absolute top blokes in the field. People who have 10 years+ of study full time study, and 30 years + of experience in the theory and practice of managing country-sized tax rules.

Gunna is this you? No mate, unless your real name is Dr Henry then it's not you. There are a whole bunch of other experts whose professional life is based around knowing that small area of knowledge inside out, and they are the only ones the government should listen to.

K now take my example and apply it to all of you points because it's the same thing for all of them.

Representative democracy doesn't mean the government does what you want. It means you get 1-20millionth of a say in who your leaders will be, then they make policy based on the best information and advice that they can get. That's all. Deal with it... or secede.

But where is the democracy in somebody standing up and saying elect me I'll do this, and then doing something exactly opposite ?

For sure things change and politics and decision making has to adapt to those changes (and hopefully stay ahead of the changes) but in 2004 the ALP actively supported changing the marriage act to exclude same sex couples. They took that policy to the last election. It wasn't a 'do nothing' it was 'no to same sex marriage'. Now, mid term they change it. Nothing wrong in changing your mind or an organisation changing its stance ...

but if they take, or support, a vote in parliament on changing the act back, BEFORE the next election then it is just another example of lying to the elctorate.

If they hold off on bringing it before parliament, go to the next election telling the voters what their stance is, get elected to form Government, bring a bill before parliament, have it enacted then fair enough, that is democracy at work.

Not having a go at the ALP, I am sure every party of every persuation is equally guilty of it, but isn't it fraud or something ? at best I can't see it being the best example of democracy.

mineral1 said...

japie said...

See, I told you, it is a distraction designed to fracture society. How many people actually know hoemsexuals who want to marry? They are a tiny minority in themselves and it is precious few who ever form life long relationships but their highly contentious agenda is being rammed down our throats and we go on page after page citing religious views and liberal views and red neck views about something that is really not that important.

Does it ever occur for anyone to have a little shufty at the money behind these campaigns. Do yourselves a little Google seaching and you will start to realise why crap like bonking cowboys and gay marriage is a little more than meets the eye.

At long last a voice of reason. Look at anybody who came out in media against that ugly lot, they were slamed to the hilt.

JP could you refrain from the "RAMMING IT DOWN OUR THROATS" THING...... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth

Gunna1 said...

log man said...

Gunna1 said...

We can debate this and other issues until the cows come home. What concerns me more than anything is the fact that, even though we live in a "Democracy" this Government has gone against all the popular opinion in numerous polls and surveys on this subject, as well as Immigration, Nuclear Power, Mining Tax, Resource tax and whole lot more. Oxford Dictionary - Democracy = Government by the whole people of a country! I am no Rhodes scholar, however I think I am smart enough to make informed decisions and I credit the majority of Aussies with same ability however our thoughts are being railroaded by a vocal minority with vested interests.

Try looking up representative democracy......... that's what we have. We elect a government and they make decisions on our behalf . Or try looking up Gunnamocracy . Thats where you get exactly what you want no matter how loony it is. And by the way I don't think popular opinion would be on your side on ANY of those topics

Hate to burst your bubble Loggy and I also I hate copy and paste, however on this occasion I make an exception. I think this counts as popular opinion. From the Nine MSN website this arvo -
VOTE -
Should Australia sell uranium to India?
20391 for
44999 against

Yeah but Gunna , they're the same people that buy the never to be repeated, signed and autographed, limited edition, with a certificate of authenticity......... piece of **** that Tony Greig sells on the cricket every day.

barn said...
Worst case is India blow up Pakistan, would anybody care?..

People living in Pakistan?
They might get upset

Honestly, does anybody really care about gay marriage? Really? I thought caring about who married whom was limited to those Who magazines and other schit.

I'm completely "meh" on the topic.




Black Bush: Damn! I knew I shouldn't have called on this nigga! I knew I shouldn't have called on this nigga, because you always try to distract people with the war, and try to skirt all the "real" issues. Gay people are getting married, folks! Yes. Nasty. Imagine that: two women, playing with each other's titty balls. Stroking those nipples until they get just so stiff, and erect. Blowin' on 'em. (imitates blowing on nipples) Brrr! Men: barbecue. "I like you." "I like you too, dog. Let's get married, man." It's crazy.

Reporter: Sir, what about your....

Black Bush: That **** is gross!

kiteboy dave said...

jsnfok said...

marraige is based on God, a promise to your wife or husband and God is a witness to it,... theres no such thing as a marriage without God, its not complete, Marriage has principles, morals, and love, all based on the attributes of God, not a monkey, or fish...

I had to go check whether this was a troll account... but I'm guessing it's serious.

Mate you have a very very blinkered view of life. I'm not going to hate on you because one of my best & oldest friends is much the same, and we still manage to get along.

When you're in a self-reinforcing community like you are, you believe what you're told every Sunday. Everyone else does too, so basically everyone that you know/respect agrees with you, and you all get together regularly to tell each other how right you are and how wrong everyone else is.

Unfortunately you aren't able to see that it's your view that is on the extreme.

I have a lot of pity for my mate, his family is basically split in half between the (very) religious and the rest. No matter how you look at it, it's the religion that causes the split.

For what it's worth mate my marriage is just as valid as yours. Your beliefs don't add or subtract anything to my marriage. My vows are just as sacred. All that cr@p you've spouted above is valid in your mind only.

+1

(Amen to that KB)

^^ There is a god?

doggie said...

^^ There is a god?

Yes, she's black

jsnfok said...

the pratice of homosexuality is forbidden, homosexuality used to be ILLEGAL.

It also used to be ILLEGAL to be a Christian.. You guys made good Lion chow..




Ahhh the good old days, before that idiot Constantine decided to make Christianity the official religion of the Woman Empire.. Not my fault, I voted for Biggus Dickus..

What's happened, all the bible bashing rednecks have gone. I know this should start em up again......I think it should be legal for black people to marry white people.... there I've said it!!! Hang on!!!

Rekkaje said...

No thanks - I'm not into dudes.

...Ohhhh you mean in general? Yeah why not!? Its a free country isn't it!?
- They have the right to be just as miserable as everyone else

The world only needs one law. Can't do it it if it hurts someone else. Can't see how Gay marriage could hurt anyone - well except for the taker... but I think that's consentual so all good. haha

Don't let the powers that be divide us on petty things like race, sexuality and wealth.

The world needs less hate and more love dudes and dudettes - I learned that from Bill and Ted - Be most Excellent to each other and party on!



The only bad flamer is this wind turbine - nuking!

Hey, I'm with Rekkaje....I'm not into dudettes so I'll pass...thanks anyways!
But seriously, live and let live, love on!! No skin off any of our hetero noses

felixdcat said...

kiteboy dave said...

laceys lane said...

i personally don't think its fair to the children to be raised in a same sex relationship that they have no choice in. i get the impression its more about their desires then the children

I personally don't think it's fair to children to be raised by:
dolebludgers
druggos
alcos
physically/mentally abusive parents
fighting or divorcing parents
teenagers
various other stereotypes

^^^ It's all about their desires not the children. However... short of physical abuse being noticed, society doesn't have much of a say in any of those cases.

At least a homarried (?) lesbi-hitched (?) couple really really wants that child and will treat it with great love and affection. They would generally be financially secure as well. Two loving happy parents and a stable loving home is probably what counts most.

Yes agree totally! But when the poor little bastard will go to school he will be taken to bits by all the other kids for having 2 mums or 2 dads, remember kids are the most cruel creatures in the world!
I can see it from here: witch of your dads is your mum? You are gay too.... did you come out of your dad arrrsssse as a poo.......

and i'm wondering how many of the' it's ok to be a gay couples kid advocates' would like to be in that situation when they were kids- none i bet.

laceys lane said...


and i'm wondering how many of the' it's ok to be a gay couples kid advocates' would like to be in that situation when they were kids- none i bet.

Essentially your argument is that the kids will be subject to bullying by bigoted kids, probably raised by bigoted parents like yourself? Does the same argument apply for Mixed marriages with half cast kids? Did you rip into them when you were at school?

If a gay couple has kids, they then give a kid a chance at life..

So it's option 1, get born and risk being bullied at school, or option 2, not get born and not exist.

I'd rather exist myself, be the kid with gay parents who called me Sue and I'd learn to be one tough mother..