It easier to believe in conspiracy theories if you've never managed anyone else.

Anyone who's ever had someone work for them realises how ****ing difficult it is to co-ordinate even the most basic events (a presentation, loading a file into a database, a meeting, the agreement of a project plan). They then look at 911 theories and can realistically estimate how impossible the challenge is.

If you've sat in your underpants in your bedroom for the last 25 years and figure co-ordinating a global conspiracy is not much more difficult than ordering a pizza and brushing your teeth, then you tend to believe they are more feasible.

i especially like the one about the guy that heard it over the retaining wall. 8 ft high. good one.

funny you could say the same thing about the 'official' arabs in caves story too.

but that didn't stop our spineless kiddy fiddling political leaders do as they're tolds from throwing their hats into the military posse which formed before the events to invade two soveriegn nations and kill (officially close to but in actual probability well over) 1,000 000 innocent people.

but hmmm, my fat ass white bred 'owned those commiting the crimes' court says its just hearsay and conjucture so why should i care to look for myself ....

(where exactly was howard the day of september 11 2001...?, the answer might suprise you)


now back to chemtrails

FlySurfer said...

pweedas: here do yourself a favour and read this www.dictionary.com/browse/transponder

I realize you may have gotten confused if I had just written transponder, so I included the navigation in there to help you out.


The engineers referred to this aircraft control as a Transponder Navigation Control Unit... we're not talking about the squawk transponder ALL aircraft have!

WTF do u want me to call so u understand?
Would u have really understood C Band, Ku Band, L-3 Com ACS?

I realize now, by the fact that simple physics evades y'all, explaining a relatively simple plan is gona seem like Particle Physics.

ginger pom: I've managed many projects... and this may surprise you, but not everybody is incompetent. And like I told y'all before everything didn't go to plan that's why u've got an idiot like me trying to explain the plan to u.

Anyway sorry I imagined the whole thing... it was Mussafa and his box cutter.

pweedas: if you used the same "rationality" used to dispute my "transponder" note and examined the events around the WTC demolitions we wouldn't be having this conversation. In fact just do some basic calculations g = 9.8 m/s2.

Thanks mr FlySurfer for your kind advice. I did use the same rationality regarding the WTC soon after it came down. Being an engineer I was intensely interested in it and followed it in great detail. I watched the event unfold on live tv as it happened and when I saw the fire crew running into the building I was extremely sad for them. I could see what was sure to happen an hour before it came down and I was not at all surprised when it happened. The only thing that initially surprised me was that the second tower hit came down first.
Nothing I have seen since regarding the whole episode gives me the slightest doubt that it was anything other than what was reported.

Also, I took your advice and looked up the link you posted,.. and,.. it says,.? exactly what I said.;---
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tran?spon?der
-noun
a radio, radar, or sonar transceiver that automatically transmits a signal upon reception of a designated incoming signal.
--------------
I have to admit, it's now been over 20 years since I fitted a transponder so in case they have changed radically since then, I did a google search on "transponder navigation unit" and came up with just one response, which turned out to be this thread.
And it was you who used the term.
Somehow I don't think I will take that as the definitive authority.

Maybe Google is having an "off" day so if you know of any other references to this 'transponder navigation unit' in aircraft I would be really interested to read it. Maybe you could post a link.? I might even buy one.

Also, I'm a bit sad that you find "simple physics evades y'all " since many years ago I put in the effort and did a 5 year engineering degree and then used it for about 40 years to make a living.
So although I don't count myself as the smartest guy in the world I kind of considered I had a reasonable grasp of most things related to the real world.
"The real world" I say, not science fiction.

Regarding your request;-

"In fact just do some basic calculations g = 9.8 m/s2."

, I consider I am reasonably conversant with the matter, although being an old person I often use the imperial version g=32ft/sec/sec.
They both mean the same thing.
I've played intimately with this variable for the last 50 years because it's the number which takes over when the big fan on the front of my aeroplane stops turning. (That's the aeroplane with the transponder in it by the way. But definitely no transponder navigation unit.)

At that point another equation takes over which is PE=mgh, -Potential Energy =(mass X gravity X height ) in whatever units you like.
They all translate to the same thing, 'you're coming down' ! (double )

And then finally, the last equation E=1/2 mv^2. This is the big one!
It combines with another one which goes s= ut + 1/2 at^2 to give you a very hard time.
It's the one which makes all the noise as you spead yourself 50 metres along the ground.
You wouldn't like it. It chips a lot of paint.
I would try and avoid it if I were you.

Coincidentally, these are the same equations which dictated the outcome of the last seconds of the WTC.
They are all Newtons fault. Nobody had any trouble with this until he came to blows with an apple or something and then got carried away with his description of the event.

Let me see now, what else did you say?
Oh yes.

"The engineers referred to this aircraft control as a Transponder Navigation Control Unit... "

I would check on their qualifications if I were you.

And :-

"Would u have really understood C Band, Ku Band, L-3 Com ACS?"

Yes I would. Feel free to use them but I don't know why you would want to.
None of them make any difference to the argument.

And then:-

" that's why u've got an idiot like me trying to explain the plan to u."

Don't be too hard on yourself Flysurfer. It makes for an interesting discussion and a remarkable insight into the human condition.

And then:-

"Anyway sorry I imagined the whole thing... "

Apology accepted.

FlySurfer, the ultimate test on anything like this comes down to the question I asked in my earlier post.
Which is, how many people would you require to carry out such a plan and then how do you keep them quiet for so long afterwards?
If this question can't be answered in a plausible manner then whatever scenario you propose is proven unworkable.
Everything else is just passing wind. (or is that "shooting the breeze?)

pweedas said...

FlySurfer said...

pweedas: here do yourself a favour and read this www.dictionary.com/browse/transponder

I realize you may have gotten confused if I had just written transponder, so I included the navigation in there to help you out.


The engineers referred to this aircraft control as a Transponder Navigation Control Unit... we're not talking about the squawk transponder ALL aircraft have!

WTF do u want me to call so u understand?
Would u have really understood C Band, Ku Band, L-3 Com ACS?

I realize now, by the fact that simple physics evades y'all, explaining a relatively simple plan is gona seem like Particle Physics.

ginger pom: I've managed many projects... and this may surprise you, but not everybody is incompetent. And like I told y'all before everything didn't go to plan that's why u've got an idiot like me trying to explain the plan to u.

Anyway sorry I imagined the whole thing... it was Mussafa and his box cutter.

pweedas: if you used the same "rationality" used to dispute my "transponder" note and examined the events around the WTC demolitions we wouldn't be having this conversation. In fact just do some basic calculations g = 9.8 m/s2.

Thanks mr FlySurfer for your kind advice. I did use the same rationality regarding the WTC soon after it came down. Being an engineer I was intensely interested in it and followed it in great detail. I watched the event unfold on live tv as it happened and when I saw the fire crew running into the building I was extremely sad for them. I could see what was sure to happen an hour before it came down and I was not at all surprised when it happened. The only thing that initially surprised me was that the second tower hit came down first.
Nothing I have seen since regarding the whole episode gives me the slightest doubt that it was anything other than what was reported.

Also, I took your advice and looked up the link you posted,.. and,.. it says,.? exactly what I said.;---
--------------
tran?spon?der
-noun
a radio, radar, or sonar transceiver that automatically transmits a signal upon reception of a designated incoming signal.
--------------
I have to admit, it's now been over 20 years since I fitted a transponder so in case they have changed radically since then, I did a google search on "transponder navigation unit" and came up with just one response, which turned out to be this thread.
And it was you who used the term.
Somehow I don't think I will take that as the definitive authority.

Maybe Google is having an "off" day so if you know of any other references to this 'transponder navigation unit' in aircraft I would be really interested to read it. Maybe you could post a link.? I might even buy one.

Also, I'm a bit sad that you find "simple physics evades y'all " since many years ago I put in the effort and did a 5 year engineering degree and then used it for about 40 years to make a living.
So although I don't count myself as the smartest guy in the world I kind of considered I had a reasonable grasp of most things related to the real world.
"The real world" I say, not science fiction.

Regarding your request;-

"In fact just do some basic calculations g = 9.8 m/s2."

, I consider I am reasonably conversant with the matter, although being an old person I often use the imperial version g=32ft/sec/sec.
They both mean the same thing.
I've played intimately with this variable for the last 50 years because it's the number which takes over when the big fan on the front of my aeroplane stops turning. (That's the aeroplane with the transponder in it by the way. But definitely no transponder navigation unit.)

At that point another equation takes over which is PE=mgh, -Potential Energy =(mass X gravity X height ) in whatever units you like.
They all translate to the same thing, 'you're coming down' ! (double )

And then finally, the last equation E=1/2 mv^2. This is the big one!
It combines with another one which goes s= ut + 1/2 at^2 to give you a very hard time.
It's the one which makes all the noise as you spead yourself 50 metres along the ground.
You wouldn't like it. It chips a lot of paint.
I would try and avoid it if I were you.

Coincidentally, these are the same equations which dictated the outcome of the last seconds of the WTC.
They are all Newtons fault. Nobody had any trouble with this until he came to blows with an apple or something and then got carried away with his description of the event.

Let me see now, what else did you say?
Oh yes.

"The engineers referred to this aircraft control as a Transponder Navigation Control Unit... "

I would check on their qualifications if I were you.

And :-

"Would u have really understood C Band, Ku Band, L-3 Com ACS?"

Yes I would. Feel free to use them but I don't know why you would want to.
None of them make any difference to the argument.

And then:-

" that's why u've got an idiot like me trying to explain the plan to u."

Don't be too hard on yourself Flysurfer. It makes for an interesting discussion and a remarkable insight into the human condition.

And then:-

"Anyway sorry I imagined the whole thing... "

Apology accepted.

FlySurfer, the ultimate test on anything like this comes down to the question I asked in my earlier post.
Which is, how many people would you require to carry out such a plan and then how do you keep them quiet for so long afterwards?
If this question can't be answered in a plausible manner then whatever scenario you propose is proven unworkable.
Everything else is just passing wind. (or is that "shooting the breeze?)

NOW this comeback made me laugh!!!
Well written pweedas.

theDoctor said...



now back to chemtrails

yeah back to chemtrails

back to the paper published in Nature home vidoe posted on utube,

back to them old redneck school teachers who used to do all that learning of people and stuff

back to the bloke who spent 10 years alone in Alaska doing nothing but looking up and reporting what the clouds look look every hour

Come on folks - how can these people be wrong ? they may be mad but they are true-blue americans and God blesses America.

I mean all this spraying, it is killing us all right, we are living short lives, there are less literate people, the percentage of people studing at university is less, we have much lower birth survival rates, worst health care, worst hygene than 100 years ago when aeroplanes started flying

mmmm hang on - evidence suggests to me even if THEY are spraying chemtrails it does the population more good than bad ??

Sorry Doc, so long ago now you told me about them, I forget, what do the chemtrails do to me that is bad ??

and if it is nefarious and getting worse then wouldn't the population's health be getting poorer not better ??

Here's some news from downtown Somalia on the pirates: www.somalilandtimes.net/sl/2010/433/20.shtml

Notice the paragraph that reads in part "Piracy has cost tens of millions of dollars in ransoms.

"The pirates adapt new methods. Every time we suppress piracy, they change their tactics," said Ibrahim Mohamed al Musharrakh, commander of the United Arab Emirate's naval forces."

Tens of millions of dollars. They must be fairly well fed disgruntled fishermen by now!

What do you get for your 5% tax ?

Free medical care form the cradle to the grave?
Welfare system to protect those who are less fortunate or fallen on hard times
Clean water and efficent sanitation systems
Transport networks that work
Policing of territorial waters from illegal fishing and dumping of toxic waste
Clean green electricity production
Transparent and corruption free governemnt
Protection of your person and property

Surely you can't get any of this ?

I mean I can't get it when I pay 40% tax.

Got a link to the Samariland wind graphs ?

Richiefish said...

I used to have a Datsun 180B that left "Chemtrails" !!! Those evil bastards must have gotten to it.....

I had a HQ wagon the same. Shocking chemtrails
Died in a chem pool on Riverside drive many years ago

Discliamer
I am in no way involved in the spreading of chemtrails.



why would governments spray chemicals over their own families and in some cases themselves?
This chemtrail stuff borders on delusional.

But he says chaff and then talks about chaff - not chemtrails.

Nothing to do with chemicals - chaff is small peices of aluminimum plate design to reflect radar in strange angles. Been used since the invention of radar, put up by ships as well as aircraft as well as missiles. Particularly good to dump out the back of fighter craft when they are being chased by missiles.

Just bits of metal plate around 100mm x 50mm. When I was in the cadets at school I fired a chaff missle - it went up, exploded and spread chaff everywhere - big bright reflective cloud of shiny metal. Bit like see lots of windsurf sails reflecting the sun light on a warm summer afternoon - mmmmm warm summer seabreeze mmmm

Anyway - at some point in time somebody must test this by doing it, and test anti-chaff radar by sending chaff out. I don't think anything strange going on here.

I was slowly coming round, but I am slipping back now. If a weather man talking of chaff is significant evidence of chemtrails I am tending back toward my doubt side rapidly.

But I still don't get what is nefarious about them. What aspect of my life is getting worse due to chemtrails ? I am predicted to live longer and more wealthy than my parents, grandparents and all my ancestors. If this is a result of chemtrails, keep spraying I say.

How come that plane is fitted with beer kegs?

MMMM Beer.....................

the plane full beer kegs is not a 'spray' plane.

this is what they fit out new planes with while they do their testing on them before the final fixout and delivery.

the kegs are filled with water and the water is pumped around the plane while the plane flies to simulate stresses , forces and whatever.

there was a big hoo haa a few years ago about the inside of a spray plane being photographed and these photos were presented as the evidence.

as for the spraying which is really happening most of it is done (east coast)in the hours before sunrise. get your ass out of bed by 4am when there is a high pressure system and watch the planes fly one after the other laying lines in the sky, by the time most sheep are on their daily commute the sky is already a haze.

which commercial airport is open to get those planes to that altitude by 4am...?

This "chemtrail conspiracy" is the funniest one yet ! Keep em coming guys...

maxm said...

saltiest1 said...

in a nutshell, commonsense says its all a load of frog poo. why is it so hard for some people to believe the obvious non conspirational facts?

Because then they wouldn't be able to tell themselves how smart they are at having figured it out. They MUST be smart because they can say things like "transponder navigation control units". So given a choice between frog poo and X Files plot, they'll take X Files every time.

BTW X Files was a fake, people. You can tell because Mulder always figured things out without wearing a foil hat. In real life that doesn't happen.

X files was fakeand i went out and spent $2k on one of their torches