Select to expand quoteOahuwaterwalker said..KB7 said..
I find this thread interesting but also amusing. I'm 85KG and have owned a V1 85cm mast for over 3 years for kite and wing foiling covering more than 18,000Km. That is 3 Atlantic crossings! I've switched out the fuse to A+ and bought and sold numerous front wings but the mast is the same. I wing almost exclusively in surf up to double overhead and don't experience any major control issues.
To be fair I don't ride any foil wider than the 925 and can see how the wide HA foils might cause issues but this idea that Armie standard mast is a "noodle" is a stupid statement. For most average weight riders this gear is a fantastically smooth ride, low maintenance, durable,light and ahead of its time and still streets ahead of most of the market.
I've tested most of the top foils and find Axis and Go foil a woody hard ride the only other foil I like allot is UNI which is one of the less stiff mast setups as it happens.
I think too many inexperience riders use inappropriate foils for the conditions on the day. When I get to the beach I check the wind speed, sea state and swell size before selecting either 925,725,1250 or 1050 but this takes time to learn when each works best. Try to ride a 1125 in 25 to 30 knots and choppy sea and you are not going to have a good time.
Now having said all this I'm very interested to try the new Armie high modulus mast to see if it's a solution to a problem I don't have. At over 2K AUD it needs to be better than just better.
However if Armies marketing said guaranteed to catch 50% less weed then I'm in.
I'm over in WA at the moment and can't believe how bad the conditions are here, bloody weed everywhere it's doing my head in. 
I'm still waiting for the 935 to arrive here. But, for perspective, I thought I would add a little more clarity to what I'm after. The way I relate to my gear whether its in this sport or other Watersports (or guitars for that matter, lol) is that I'm always curious about what can be done to fully maximize the experience. As with all gear, some people pursue these kinds of rabbit holes, some don't. I have no doubt that a talented rider could do amazing things on gear from 3 years ago. That said, I don't think the V1 85cm is a bad mast, but I do think a stiffer more streamlined mast could have some benefit for me.
If I tried to unscientifically quantify what I expect from this mast change, I would say the 85cm mast is 85-90% of the way there. The gains I'm hoping for with the newer designs are in that 3-8% range. I'm not under the false assumption that I'm suddenly going to be riding like a pro.
What does that mean in practical terms?
-I'm hoping to add an overall 3-6kmph to my top end in speed for chasing down faster moving swell or getting to down the line sections. I know this isn't much, but based on current top speeds, it could make a big difference in certain moments. Essentially it would get me in the same speed territory as down the line windsurfing speeds (approximately 40kmph). I'm curious if those of you who have them are seeing any increase in top speed?
-With mast cavitation: I find it typically happens around 1-3 times per session. It's definitely not a deal breaker, but if it could be eliminated, I'd like that.
-I've read from a few people that the stiffer mast makes the riding feel more direct. The ride is great now, but "more direct" would be something I would appreciate. I'm also curious if and how the newer mast with change to attack impact pitch stability with smaller foils?
-I'm curious if the stiffer mast and new geometry will improve stability going through white water
Like you, I've owned a bunch of Armstrong foils 1850, 1550 V1, 1550 V2, 1250, 1050, 850, 925, 725, 525 plus the tails, 232, V, chopped V, and now the 195. I ended up selling everything except the 725 and 525. At 75kg, I can ride the 725 in as little as 10-12 kts with the right wing. If I proned or did SUP I would have kept the 925.
I 100% agree with you about riding big foils in too much wind or too much surf. Basically, that's not fun to me. One of the things I love about the 725 and 525 is that it's pretty hard to overpower them and foil out in anything under double overhead surf.
I am heavier than you, 88kg. At my weight the 85cm had issues in very rough seas, specially side chop and over 30knots. In the surf was fine. And at high speed, not a deal breaker but hard to control.
the new mast added more speed, but I think due to been more stable. I am not trying to go fast, I enjoy surfing and jumping. With the 925 my best with the 85 was 35kmh with the 93 38kmh and my average was up as well. I think the length helps as well. I prefer 93cm now.
for jumping is day and night, much better pop and landing is incredible. In most jumps you can land at speed like windsurfing (not quite but close) before it would be a complete stop in all but 1 one 2 jumps. The new angle really helps here.
no question the new mast is more stable, easier to ride and more forgiving. I don't think it's worth the upgrade if you mainly wing in flat water and under 25knots. Specially if you are under 85kg
Select to expand quoteOahuwaterwalker said...
I'm still waiting for the 935 to arrive here. But, for perspective, I thought I would add a little more clarity to what I'm after. The way I relate to my gear whether its in this sport or other Watersports (or guitars for that matter, lol) is that I'm always curious about what can be done to fully maximize the experience.
Like you, I've owned a bunch of Armstrong foils 1850, 1550 V1, 1550 V2, 1250, 1050, 850, 925, 725, 525 plus the tails, 232, V, chopped V, and now the 195. I ended up selling everything except the 725 and 525. At 75kg, I can ride the 725 in as little as 10-12 kts with the right wing.
You and me both with wing gear and guitars! Literally playing guitar right now thinking about buying another one lol....That's amazing that you can ride the 725 in such light wind. I'm 85 kg and I can't get the 1125 going in swell and chop unless it's probably blowing over 17 knts, but I've only ridden it a couple times and I'm coming from the 1850. You give me hope that maybe some day I'll get dialed in enough to ride the 925 that I bought. I bought that for strong wind, but it didn't really happen this season around the great lakes.
Select to expand quotewolfieee said..Oahuwaterwalker said...
I'm still waiting for the 935 to arrive here. But, for perspective, I thought I would add a little more clarity to what I'm after. The way I relate to my gear whether its in this sport or other Watersports (or guitars for that matter, lol) is that I'm always curious about what can be done to fully maximize the experience.
Like you, I've owned a bunch of Armstrong foils 1850, 1550 V1, 1550 V2, 1250, 1050, 850, 925, 725, 525 plus the tails, 232, V, chopped V, and now the 195. I ended up selling everything except the 725 and 525. At 75kg, I can ride the 725 in as little as 10-12 kts with the right wing.
You and me both with wing gear and guitars! Literally playing guitar right now thinking about buying another one lol....That's amazing that you can ride the 725 in such light wind. I'm 85 kg and I can't get the 1125 going in swell and chop unless it's probably blowing over 17 knts, but I've only ridden it a couple times and I'm coming from the 1850. You give me hope that maybe some day I'll get dialed in enough to ride the 925 that I bought. I bought that for strong wind, but it didn't really happen this season around the great lakes.
What I find works best with riding smaller foils in light wind is using a chop that is moving in the same direction as the wind to get on foil and then just don't fall, lol. Once you're up it doesn't take much at all to stay up. Funny on the guitars... I have a custom strat coming my way and just emailed the builder to check status. If you want the name of an amazing builder for Strats and Tele's, pm me. He's in Nashville and has been collecting wood as a hobby for decades.
Just had a 10 mile session on the 795 mast 925/50f/195 with 3M and 4M wings. Low tide at my local and 85 mast would have been too long (already had to walk 150 yards from shore).
With one brief speed run in 1-2' tightly packed windswell, I easily hit 21.6mph, over 1 mph faster than my PB at the local flat water spot with the 925.
Otherwise I was DW bump riding and carving it up between the swells almost like inside an ice luge, using the backside of the swell ahead and the swell behind to crank speed turns.
I was definitely doing my best carves to date on the 925, full speed, full rail carves/gybes, linked back to back.
I was thinking about the new mast and how it feels different. I had previously thought it feels like the mast isn't there, just flying the wing. Today had this mental image where I could see the foil in my mind, almost like with a fighter pilot crosshairs arms lock on the foil during turns. On the previous mast it was almost like I couldn't quite lock in on the foil during high speed turns. Almost blurry or shifty on the precision lock due to the unfortunate yaw and lateral flex under heavy load. Didn't necessarily bother me on the V1 85, but I do see that it was holding me back a bit. Now the movement of the board's deck is much more in sync with the actual foils movement. Just leads to buttery smooth transitions. Like damn so good.
Excited to keep pushing my boundaries on this new bit of kit!
edit: One more observation I remembered. When DW riding, I found it much easier at slow speed to pump and turn at the same time without stalling and actually gain speed. The V1 was very difficult for for me in this regards.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Just had a 10 mile session on the 795 mast 925/50f/195 with 3M and 4M wings. Low tide at my local and 85 mast would have been too long (already had to walk 150 yards from shore).
With one brief speed run in 1-2' tightly packed windswell, I easily hit 21.6mph, over 1 mph faster than my PB at the local flat water spot with the 925.
Otherwise I was DW bump riding and carving it up between the swells almost like inside an ice luge, using the backside of the swell ahead and the swell behind to crank speed turns.
I was definitely doing my best carves to date on the 925, full speed, full rail carves/gybes, linked back to back.
I was thinking about the new mast and how it feels different. I had previously thought it feels like the mast isn't there, just flying the wing. Today had this mental image where I could see the foil in my mind, almost like with a fighter pilot crosshairs arms lock on the foil during turns. On the previous mast it was almost like I couldn't quite lock in on the foil during high speed turns. Almost blurry or shifty on the precision lock due to the unfortunate yaw and lateral flex under heavy load. Didn't necessarily bother me on the V1 85, but I do see that it was holding me back a bit. Now the movement of the board's deck is much more in sync with the actual foils movement. Just leads to buttery smooth transitions. Like damn so good.
Excited to keep pushing my boundaries on this new bit of kit!
I used to not like the 50 A+ fuse on the 85 A+ mast paired with the 925 or 725-it was too unstable for me. It's so easy to control with the new mast (935). This thing is the bee's knees! Did you get the 935 as well as the 795? The 935 definitely makes me pay more attention to the tide. I don't think I'll fork out another $1500 for the 795 just for low tide spots-that's a luxury beyond me.
Yeah I grabbed both sizes. I wanted the 795 mainly for prone, but quickly realizing it opens up low tide at my home river wing spot. Regarding the cost
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Yeah I grabbed both sizes. I wanted the 795 mainly for prone, but quickly realizing it opens up low tide at my home river wing spot. Regarding the cost
Mmm. Maybe it's time to clean up my gear quiver. will definitely get my hands on the MA 800 foil soon. Maybe the 1000 as well.
Select to expand quotepaulweller2 said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Yeah I grabbed both sizes. I wanted the 795 mainly for prone, but quickly realizing it opens up low tide at my home river wing spot. Regarding the cost
Mmm. Maybe it's time to clean up my gear quiver. will definitely get my hands on the MA 800 foil soon. Maybe the 1000 as well.
Yeah I sold some old and ordered the new gear using the newly arrived funds sitting in PayPal.
Finally got my 935. Hoping for some wind in the next week or so.
Here's how it looks side by side with V1 85cm. Clearly wider on the profile.
first sesh on new 795. with a numpty 1250 and Ha tail
that new mast is sick in every which way. Holy sh1t. Notably the lack of drag - and direct pump no matter what height you are at. Just gliding onto little bumps and linking up swell lines effortlessly. Normally takes me 4-5 tacks to get 7km or so upwind (then a 14 km DW- just two and a half tacks. And I wasn't pushing it. Just goes upwind so much easier.
Turning on it on a swell line or a wave (spots had some waves on way down) amongst the outside runners - it is so smooth. You can go really turn and rice hard and with no strange behaviour. Just grips and releases - so controlled. Can really drive high up onto the wave top before turning sharply. rinse and repeat. Which means linking the swells is so much more effective.
Yeh so good. 2.5 hours of actual water time in some pretty challenging water out deep- just stopping at all the good spots and using their runners - and I'm not exhausted. So easy to use. Normally I'm cooked after an hour or so having to pump so hard to link up plus micro constant adjustments in the big ocean swells.
Never once felt I needed the extra on the old 85cm mast. This is because it gives you more breaching leeway I think.
Much easier to start on it as well - got power and drive even low down on the mast.
Man I can only imagine what it's like on a HA like a 925. Probably shouldn't have sold the damn thing. Lol.
Just as the HA tail brought Alive the HS the new mast also extracts greater performance out of it.
Anyhow stoked. Can't imagine how it will go on a new MA foil. 
worth every penny imo..
YEWW! Glad the wait has been worth it for you, Eppo!
It's interesting that some riders who have ordered the 935 say that the mast is so efficient and responsive that they aren't missing the "sweet spot" 85cm length mast while others like yourself on the 795 don't miss the extra length of the 85. It either tells us that we are pretty good at justifying the insane cost of our toys in our minds or that the new masts are actually really, really good 
. I bit the bullet on the 935 as I wing 90% on the 85cm and SUP foil the rest of the time on the 72 V1 mast. I had a wing session on the 85 mast and 925 yesterday really trying to pay attention to the feedback through the rig and I just kept thinking "wow this rig feels slippery, fast, and responsive; do I really need the new mast?". The A+85 was a definite improvement over the V1 version. What I do feel is the numerous micro and macro adjustments that I make frequently which I've always put down to the usual hydrodynamic wobble and wonk affecting the rig. I've never felt it to be terrible, but reading reviews for the new mast it's likely I've adapted to the feel of the original and A+ masts so much that they feel pretty good in most situations. I'll be very curious to try the A+85 and 935 back to back to see how my feelings change.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
YEWW! Glad the wait has been worth it for you, Eppo!
It's interesting that some riders who have ordered the 935 say that the mast is so efficient and responsive that they aren't missing the "sweet spot" 85cm length mast while others like yourself on the 795 don't miss the extra length of the 85. It either tells us that we are pretty good at justifying the insane cost of our toys in our minds or that the new masts are actually really, really good . I bit the bullet on the 935 as I wing 90% on the 85cm and SUP foil the rest of the time on the 72 V1 mast. I had a wing session on the 85 mast and 925 yesterday really trying to pay attention to the feedback through the rig and I just kept thinking "wow this rig feels slippery, fast, and responsive; do I really need the new mast?". The A+85 was a definite improvement over the V1 version. What I do feel is the numerous micro and macro adjustments that I make frequently which I've always put down to the usual hydrodynamic wobble and wonk affecting the rig. I've never felt it to be terrible, but reading reviews for the new mast it's likely I've adapted to the feel of the original and A+ masts so much that they feel pretty good in most situations. I'll be very curious to try the A+85 and 935 back to back to see how my feelings change.
A longer mast has a place in big sea state, tow foiling, jumping etc, but you are more disconnected from the foil as you are further away from it, definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start. All the DW guys use 75-80cm I think as it starts easier and has less drag.
I just question anyone pumping the new stuff if they paid full retail price...2K AUD is a lot for a mast, 1K to armie, 1K to the retailer, but next year it'll be 3K right the prices are out of this world now imo.
Does anyone know how thick the new mast is, is it a fatty?
A good test for responsiveness would've been a performance 85cm vs 85cm+v2 
I'm on a 83cm mast now for winging, but would prefer 85, it's the best length imo.
I might buy one second hand after the hype has died down, be good for the HA1125 and bigger for choppy flat water speed runs, cheaper than a fone eagle setup and be about the same 
It's funny armie colours remind me of a dairy cow, and armie is certainly milking the proverbial tit
"...definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start"
So if the A+85cm mast is considered a "wet noodle" by the many forum "experts" on here, why wouldn't a HM 935 that's stiffer and with a more efficient profile (as claimed) be more responsive and have less drag comparatively? These are two very different beasts in most respects. I understand that the further the foil is from your feet that the less connected it will feel in riding, all things being otherwise equal. While you might be right about the 935 vs the 85A+, you can't know this for sure unless you've tested side by side. Plus we're talking 3" difference in length. Is this worlds apart in foiling? What percentage difference does this 3" equate to in all respects? Will it really be noticeably harder to start than the A+ 85? I don't know. I've ridden only an 85 as my longest mast which is a great length. Pricing definitely feels harder to swallow. Same with MTB and windsurfing, etc though. I'll report when I actually have ridden the 935.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
"...definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start"
So if the A+85cm mast is considered a "wet noodle" by the many forum "experts" on here, why wouldn't a HM 935 that's stiffer and with a more efficient profile (as claimed) be more responsive and have less drag comparatively? These are two very different beasts in most respects. I understand that the further the foil is from your feet that the less connected it will feel in riding, all things being otherwise equal. While you might be right about the 935 vs the 85A+, you can't know this for sure unless you've tested side by side. Plus we're talking 3" difference in length. Is this worlds apart in foiling? What percentage difference does this 3" equate to in all respects? Will it really be noticeably harder to start than the A+ 85? I don't know. I've ridden only an 85 as my longest mast which is a great length. Pricing definitely feels harder to swallow. Same with MTB and windsurfing, etc though. I'll report when I actually have ridden the 935.
I'm no expert but it's a bigger mass pushing through the water 935mm vs 850mm, it's probably thicker, so I don't believe the marketing mumbo jumbo, standing in front of monitors at america cup building, saying research etc, if this was true why doesn't he publish the facts for us to see?
But best test would've been between the new 85 and old 85+v2, but we can't do that, yet, next year maybe.
I think if you're just winging and don't race/jump the 795mm would be the best option winging, more fun being closer to the foil to carve aggressively, a longer mast takes more effort and leverage from your body. You could also use it prone/sup, harder with the 935mm.
I use to have a 935mm gofoil mast winging, it was ok, but the difference between 935mm and my current 830mm mast is almost night and day winging, for that reason I sold the 935mm as only used it a few times. So the answer is yes the difference between 850 and 935 is huge in foiling land.
I also use 91cm for kiting but I jump and bank over going really fast so need the length, but that is 13.5mm wide, racing mast.
Select to expand quotenorth_kiter said..Windoc said..
"...definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start"
So if the A+85cm mast is considered a "wet noodle" by the many forum "experts" on here, why wouldn't a HM 935 that's stiffer and with a more efficient profile (as claimed) be more responsive and have less drag comparatively? These are two very different beasts in most respects. I understand that the further the foil is from your feet that the less connected it will feel in riding, all things being otherwise equal. While you might be right about the 935 vs the 85A+, you can't know this for sure unless you've tested side by side. Plus we're talking 3" difference in length. Is this worlds apart in foiling? What percentage difference does this 3" equate to in all respects? Will it really be noticeably harder to start than the A+ 85? I don't know. I've ridden only an 85 as my longest mast which is a great length. Pricing definitely feels harder to swallow. Same with MTB and windsurfing, etc though. I'll report when I actually have ridden the 935.
I'm no expert but it's a bigger mass pushing through the water 935mm vs 850mm, it's probably thicker, so I don't believe the marketing mumbo jumbo, standing in front of monitors at america cup building, saying research etc, if this was true why doesn't he publish the facts for us to see?
But best test would've been between the new 85 and old 85+v2, but we can't do that, yet, next year maybe.
I think if you're just winging and don't race/jump the 795mm would be the best option winging, more fun being closer to the foil to carve aggressively, a longer mast takes more effort and leverage from your body. You could also use it prone/sup, harder with the 935mm.
I use to have a 935mm gofoil mast winging, it was ok, but the difference between 935mm and my current 830mm mast is almost night and day winging, for that reason I sold the 935mm as only used it a few times. So the answer is yes the difference between 850 and 935 is huge in foiling land.
I also use 91cm for kiting but I jump and bank over going really fast so need the length, but that is 13.5mm wide, racing mast.
I really can't tell if this is satire or not. If it is - well done. This is next level turd posting.
How you noticed more drag between 10cm of mast astounds me.. You'll only ever notice this off foil, sure might be marginally harder to get on foil. But you shouldn't really notice it. The advantages of a 90cm+ mast as well worth this inconvenience. Deeper longer pump, more righting moment. Surely you'd be interested to wing faster than 10 knots?
The biggest difference you mentioned as disconnect of board to foil, is easiest done with less volume. The less volume, the more you'll feel and have a responsive foil. This is where a 100L board will really hold you up. Sure a great beginner setup, but dropping down on volume is the biggest help!
Well in an ideal world you'd have both masts but alas I need one for winging, tow and prone. I know the difference in drag and prone pump recovery between the 72 and 85 plus was very noticeable. Maybe not so on the new mast - would need someone to test back to back I suppose. There's always a compromise versus outlay on all gear. And remember a 795 armie mast is kind of equivalent to say an 82cm go foil mast as they are measured differently I have heard. May be wrong.
All I can say is the ocean where I was has lots of open ocean moving over large reef systems (good fishing and crayfish ground , and it's no picnic out there. Constant peak to trough riding stuff - and it took all of 10 minutes to adjust and never once felt like I needed more mast. Kind of like outer Geraldton/coronations type water.
heading to lano' mid December hopefully with jet ski in tow so will see how the towing aspect goes hopefully. Antman my son will do all the jumping shenanigans. Be good to get the young fella on the gear because he does all the aforementioned fancy pants stuff on a 72 A plus mast and all on the HA 725 and 525!!!
in his words "you are all old kooks, just ride what ya got". Prick lol.
Select to expand quoteKing Crash said..north_kiter said..Windoc said..
"...definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start"
So if the A+85cm mast is considered a "wet noodle" by the many forum "experts" on here, why wouldn't a HM 935 that's stiffer and with a more efficient profile (as claimed) be more responsive and have less drag comparatively? These are two very different beasts in most respects. I understand that the further the foil is from your feet that the less connected it will feel in riding, all things being otherwise equal. While you might be right about the 935 vs the 85A+, you can't know this for sure unless you've tested side by side. Plus we're talking 3" difference in length. Is this worlds apart in foiling? What percentage difference does this 3" equate to in all respects? Will it really be noticeably harder to start than the A+ 85? I don't know. I've ridden only an 85 as my longest mast which is a great length. Pricing definitely feels harder to swallow. Same with MTB and windsurfing, etc though. I'll report when I actually have ridden the 935.
I'm no expert but it's a bigger mass pushing through the water 935mm vs 850mm, it's probably thicker, so I don't believe the marketing mumbo jumbo, standing in front of monitors at america cup building, saying research etc, if this was true why doesn't he publish the facts for us to see?
But best test would've been between the new 85 and old 85+v2, but we can't do that, yet, next year maybe.
I think if you're just winging and don't race/jump the 795mm would be the best option winging, more fun being closer to the foil to carve aggressively, a longer mast takes more effort and leverage from your body. You could also use it prone/sup, harder with the 935mm.
I use to have a 935mm gofoil mast winging, it was ok, but the difference between 935mm and my current 830mm mast is almost night and day winging, for that reason I sold the 935mm as only used it a few times. So the answer is yes the difference between 850 and 935 is huge in foiling land.
I also use 91cm for kiting but I jump and bank over going really fast so need the length, but that is 13.5mm wide, racing mast.
I really can't tell if this is satire or not. If it is - well done. This is next level turd posting.
How you noticed more drag between 10cm of mast astounds me.. You'll only ever notice this off foil, sure might be marginally harder to get on foil. But you shouldn't really notice it. The advantages of a 90cm+ mast as well worth this inconvenience. Deeper longer pump, more righting moment. Surely you'd be interested to wing faster than 10 knots?
The biggest difference you mentioned as disconnect of board to foil, is easiest done with less volume. The less volume, the more you'll feel and have a responsive foil. This is where a 100L board will really hold you up. Sure a great beginner setup, but dropping down on volume is the biggest help!
Yes, you definitely do notice the extra length in the water if you carve aggressively going rail to rail, short board style, the longer mast takes more time and effort and is less responsive. Probably "more time" is the issue for me as it mucks up your timing on the wave, but you adjust to a slower more drawn out carves more long board style. I prefer short board aggressive carving.
I think the 795 and the new MA range may be the answer, 3rd time lucky for armie, would be good to demo for sure!
Select to expand quotenorth_kiter said..King Crash said..north_kiter said..Windoc said..
"...definitely not more responsive and it'll have more drag, plus harder to start"
So if the A+85cm mast is considered a "wet noodle" by the many forum "experts" on here, why wouldn't a HM 935 that's stiffer and with a more efficient profile (as claimed) be more responsive and have less drag comparatively? These are two very different beasts in most respects. I understand that the further the foil is from your feet that the less connected it will feel in riding, all things being otherwise equal. While you might be right about the 935 vs the 85A+, you can't know this for sure unless you've tested side by side. Plus we're talking 3" difference in length. Is this worlds apart in foiling? What percentage difference does this 3" equate to in all respects? Will it really be noticeably harder to start than the A+ 85? I don't know. I've ridden only an 85 as my longest mast which is a great length. Pricing definitely feels harder to swallow. Same with MTB and windsurfing, etc though. I'll report when I actually have ridden the 935.
I'm no expert but it's a bigger mass pushing through the water 935mm vs 850mm, it's probably thicker, so I don't believe the marketing mumbo jumbo, standing in front of monitors at america cup building, saying research etc, if this was true why doesn't he publish the facts for us to see?
But best test would've been between the new 85 and old 85+v2, but we can't do that, yet, next year maybe.
I think if you're just winging and don't race/jump the 795mm would be the best option winging, more fun being closer to the foil to carve aggressively, a longer mast takes more effort and leverage from your body. You could also use it prone/sup, harder with the 935mm.
I use to have a 935mm gofoil mast winging, it was ok, but the difference between 935mm and my current 830mm mast is almost night and day winging, for that reason I sold the 935mm as only used it a few times. So the answer is yes the difference between 850 and 935 is huge in foiling land.
I also use 91cm for kiting but I jump and bank over going really fast so need the length, but that is 13.5mm wide, racing mast.
I really can't tell if this is satire or not. If it is - well done. This is next level turd posting.
How you noticed more drag between 10cm of mast astounds me.. You'll only ever notice this off foil, sure might be marginally harder to get on foil. But you shouldn't really notice it. The advantages of a 90cm+ mast as well worth this inconvenience. Deeper longer pump, more righting moment. Surely you'd be interested to wing faster than 10 knots?
The biggest difference you mentioned as disconnect of board to foil, is easiest done with less volume. The less volume, the more you'll feel and have a responsive foil. This is where a 100L board will really hold you up. Sure a great beginner setup, but dropping down on volume is the biggest help!
Yes, you definitely do notice the extra length in the water if you carve aggressively going rail to rail, short board style, the longer mast takes more time and effort and is less responsive. Probably "more time" is the issue for me as it mucks up your timing on the wave, but you adjust to a slower more drawn out carves more long board style. I prefer short board aggressive carving.
I think the 795 and the new MA range may be the answer, 3rd time lucky for armie, would be good to demo for sure!
Well first try really at the high Modulus type cab, naish, axis all made noodle first attempt carbon masts . just saying. 
With the 935 mast add a 50 fuse and the carve latency is reduced. One piece of the magic sauce in this mast is the increased slipperiness when redirecting the foil(yaw) and carving. The jump going from a 85A+ to a 935 is less noticeable (I reckon) than an 85A+ to 935A+(if one existed). But you can't get around the physics of a longer mast, so there is a trade off.
I just had a session with 795 mast and HA925 with 5M and a dying wind. Almost got stranded a km off the shore. The thing really noticed this session was the extra few seconds of glide I was getting at near stall speed during the Heineken gybes in zero wind trying to get back downwind to shore. Those few extra pumps, glancing board off water, was really nice and saved me a long swim at sunset.
DW bump riding the 935 and 1325 the other day, I was impressed in my new ability to pump out of near stalls to the left or right and gain speed. The previous mast would have fell out. Some of this has to be the rake angle, plus the added efficiency of the section.
After a few sessions, I'm putting my stoke level at 15-20% higher than before (performance gains). It's a twofold increase in performance gains, as the mast is obviously better, but the HA wings are also performing better. All that said, maybe this is my subconscious justifying the aforementioned dairy cow hyperbole.
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With the 935 mast add a 50 fuse and the carve latency is reduced. One piece of the magic sauce in this mast is the increased slipperiness when redirecting the foil(yaw) and carving. The jump going from a 85A+ to a 935 is less noticeable (I reckon) than an 85A+ to 935A+(if one existed). But you can't get around the physics of a longer mast, so there is a trade off.
I just had a session with 795 mast and HA925 with 5M and a dying wind. Almost got stranded a km off the shore. The thing really noticed this session was the extra few seconds of glide I was getting at near stall speed during the Heineken gybes in zero wind trying to get back downwind to shore. Those few extra pumps, glancing board off water, was really nice and saved me a long swim at sunset.
DW bump riding the 935 and 1325 the other day, I was impressed in my new ability to pump out of near stalls to the left or right and gain speed. The previous mast would have fell out. Some of this has to be the rake angle, plus the added efficiency of the section.
After a few sessions, I'm putting my stoke level at 15-20% higher than before (performance gains). It's a twofold increase in performance gains, as the mast is obviously better, but the HA wings are also performing better. All that said, maybe this is my subconscious justifying the aforementioned dairy cow hyperbole.
Ah there's always a bit of dairy cow hyperbole. But I can concur with the "slipperiness" (great way to describe it actually) the resulting extra glide and the increased stall speed tolerance. And that was using a gay lord 1250. Could only imagine the compounding effect on my sold 925 
Gonna whack my sons 725 on when windy this week coming.
nothing like a bit of tongue and cheek right fellas? ex armie customer lol
How thick are the new masts compared to the 85+v2?
Stiffness will be great for the big HA wings for sure
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nothing like a bit of tongue and cheek right fellas? ex armie customer lol
How thick are the new masts compared to the 85+v2?
Stiffness will be great for the big HA wings for sure
Guy was checking that out yesterday and I forgot what he said lol. Was heading back out to crack onto some runners on the next part of the DW. You mean overall profile thickness or chord thickness. ? Prob chord hey as the mast obviously changes thickness laterally. It's laterally wider I think he said. Far out who knows. Just gonna ride it now.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..north_kiter said..
nothing like a bit of tongue and cheek right fellas? ex armie customer lol
How thick are the new masts compared to the 85+v2?
Stiffness will be great for the big HA wings for sure
Guy was checking that out yesterday and I forgot what he said lol. Was heading back out to crack onto some runners on the next part of the DW. You mean overall profile thickness or chord thickness. ? Prob chord hey as the mast obviously changes thickness laterally. It's laterally wider I think he said. Far out who knows. Just gonna ride it now.
na how thick 19mm? Gofoil is 14mm from memory and Cedrus is 19mm.
I know MAF took some calipers to his, maybe he will chime in.
I had my first go with the 935 this morning in light wind with head to slight overhead surf on HA725. I'm going to hold off on sharing a deeper review until another few rides but I will say this, I like it a lot and I'm not keeping my 85cm.
Out of interest who in this thread is a team rider, employee, importer, retailer or gets a discount on all their armie gear
My desktop caliper is only around 3cms deep at measuring point and the new mast was thicker at that point compared to the old mast. So it's more of a pronounced thickness near the front of the section and a more drawn out, thinned taper to the tail of the section.
I think I have a better type of caliper in my garage somewhere, so I will try and measure max thickness tomorrow
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Out of interest who in this thread is a team rider, employee, importer, retailer or gets a discount on all their armie gear
Well I'm not but your continual antogonism is damn annoying imo. Let's talk and share info on the mast. Cut the crap dude or leave.
Further update on a crappy flat water estuary skills sesh. Nothing further to add except coming flagged wing and pumped probably over 150m a heavy 76 litre wing board all the way the shore and could have kept going. Had power even low in the water. Easy to get height, recover and go again. It's gonna be unreal if we ever get damn surf again this summer to prone.
believe the hype its ticking all the boxes on performance in every way
its good i couldn't go back , and that was after 1st session now after 3 goes ....yup .. gets better
