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jbshack
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5 Sep 2012 2:00pm
Tux said...

Maybe they should limit the amount of commercial and amatuer fishing to replensih fish stocks so these blokes have something else to eat...talking to a few mates in SA and apparently the sharks are a lot more attracted to boats/people at the end of the tuna season....


I see this as a big issue. I speak with many fisherman who say that they are seeing more and more sharks around there boats. Also more aggressively chasing there catch. You'd be amazed how many think its sport to sit and fish in one spot all day feeding the sharks for kicks. So guess what we are even now training them to come up to boats. If you get sharked you should immediately stop fishing and move on.

How many times do you see a video of a shark that is "Hanging around there boat" on the news only to look closer and see there is a massive bait tied to a rope of the side of the boat[}:)]

Sambo jigging was big time a few years ago and was the in thing. Then the sharks moved in and you could even see on the sounder two distinct schools at different depths. Top school was sharks. They learn very quickly. So could it be that local fishing boats are invert-ably bringing the sharks in and keeping them hanging around areas more populated by smaller boats. IE Ocean Reef, mullaloo, Cockburn sound garden island, Rottnest and Cottesloe area

Could there be a link
smicko
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5 Sep 2012 2:05pm
So it's YOUR bloody fault JB. STOP SELLING BOATS YOU MONGREL!!!
jbshack
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5 Sep 2012 3:47pm
smicko said...

So it's YOUR bloody fault JB. STOP SELLING BOATS YOU MONGREL!!!


None sold today. Happy
fuall
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5 Sep 2012 11:17pm
just blow em all up-heres some ideas



Hamsta
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5 Sep 2012 11:56pm
surferstu said...

I stopped reading everything when paragraphs became essays.


Healthy debate is good. Once it turns into a dick measuring competition it is not so good. This is still a healthy debate.
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6 Sep 2012 8:20am



Crocs. There is also evidence that Crocs have taken people, some who were tourists and others who were intoxicated and those who were right place/wrong time. Crocs lifecycle is different to sharks (shorter) and they have eggs with a relatively high rate of survival.

Dingos. I think that the rouge Dingos could be captured and released away from areas popular with tourists etc. Educating people who may come into contact with Dingos may/may not work as some people would still like to feed them etc.

Bears. Apart from the 'piddling and stinking' variety that gets high on leaves, we don't have Bears here (although Wombats look a bit like a Bear that never learnt to walk and they can be aggressive little fu%&ers) In Canada and the US, Bears that become overly agressive are either moved or shot, which is a shame as it is typically the pressure put on their habitat by humans that causes interactions and sometimes aggression. I'm no Bear expert but I do know quite a few Canadian folk who are outdoorsy types and are pretty astute regarding Bears. (yeah, I know, weak anectdotal evidence)

Lions. MMMMmmmmm. Again, I suspect that it is the pressure being put on their habitat that causes the interactions that lead to fatalities.

Hippos. Fark me these things can be sociopathic and I am so glad they don't live in the oceans. Again, the pressure put on their habitat by 'progress' is why I suspect Hippos come into contact with humans. Either that or they are just evil mutherf(^*rs who suffer constantly from the pain of projectile diarrhea.

The one common link between Man v's Wild is that Man has usually f*(cked something up somewhere that has lead to an imbalance which has further compounded the problem of interaction in non controllled environment ie. Man outside cage and animal inside cage.

Only my opinion and I am not offering empirical support for what I am typing. I'm not a vegetarian, nor a vegan, I simply hold animals in pretty high regard, like most people. EDIT I figure my dietry habits come at the expense of animals (bacon especially) so perhaps I am 'compensating' for that with my views regarding sharks.


Hamsta when you started sprouting crap like crocs having a shorter lifespan than sharks and s****ing on about the survival rate of their offspring is about when the debate turned decidedly poxy.
Go back to your wheel and run around in circles.
Hamsta
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6 Sep 2012 1:34pm
Roger that.....over and out.
jbshack
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6 Sep 2012 3:21pm
I new crocs live for ever but i was under the notion that they are very effective breeders

I know they control croc populations by removing eggs from the wild nests.

They are also territorial so that makes it easier to find one after any sort of attack. Often they will move them on even after a few stock loses
subasurf
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6 Sep 2012 3:25pm
DEC doesn't think twice about culling dangerous crocs because we know so much about them and we know for a fact how well they recover. Couple that with the fact for people in the area, it's not as easy to avoid crocs as it is to avoid sharks.
jbshack
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6 Sep 2012 3:26pm
A mate sent me a pick with the tittle "Some locals gave me a wave yesterday" I have asked what the hell and had no reply yet.. Looks nasty though..It would keep me out of the water

He took the shot at a beach in South Africa





A few other shots were obvously a sea lion of some description but this one a little different. Oh and its at a beach were a guy was attcked a few years ago. The one were he was told to stay out there was a shark but he went in anyway
subasurf
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6 Sep 2012 3:31pm
Fish Hoek bay?
jbshack
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6 Sep 2012 4:04pm
subasurf said...

Fish Hoek bay?


Cape town..

A guy i know his family run the shark alarm system. They litterly can see through the bay from their home and have a alarm system if they see a shark down to the life gaurds

Im not sure what that pick is, he hasn't replied to me yet..Bastard is having too much fun on his holiday
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6 Sep 2012 4:18pm
jbshack said...

subasurf said...

Fish Hoek bay?


Cape town..

A guy i know his family run the shark alarm system. They litterly can see through the bay from their home and have a alarm system if they see a shark down to the life gaurds

Im not sure what that pick is, he hasn't replied to me yet..Bastard is having too much fun on his holiday


I wonder whats in front of the fin?
swalkington
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6 Sep 2012 5:10pm
^^^^^
Must be the only white that hasn't relocated to west oz
jbshack
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6 Sep 2012 5:37pm
doggie said...

jbshack said...

subasurf said...

Fish Hoek bay?


Cape town..

A guy i know his family run the shark alarm system. They litterly can see through the bay from their home and have a alarm system if they see a shark down to the life gaurds

Im not sure what that pick is, he hasn't replied to me yet..Bastard is having too much fun on his holiday


I wonder whats in front of the fin?


This is one of the other shots. Obvously a seal of some discription. Im not sure what the first shot is. If its a shark its big.
Oh and Suba i think that shot is from the My mates house. Its the same view i have seen loads before. Actually i meet David (who's family do the patrols) through my mate who just sent me these picks.

doggie
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6 Sep 2012 5:53pm
swalkington said...

^^^^^
Must be the only white that hasn't relocated to west oz


Why the red? That was far king funny!!
De4n
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6 Sep 2012 6:27pm
Might sound daft, but did anyone see that Foreign Correspondent, I think, the other day on drones? They're like cheap mini helicopters with cameras, GPS etc. Could be pre-programmed to scan up and down beaches that humans inhabit. Coupla blokes in front of tv monitors and a program that alerts their attention to shark-like images. Apparently they have got a 10 mile range - and that's the ones you can build yourself. Anyway got me thunkin! Anyone got iView can check it out if you missed it.
smicko
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6 Sep 2012 6:49pm
jbshack said...

I new crocs live for ever but i was under the notion that they are very effective breeders

I know they control croc populations by removing eggs from the wild nests.

They are also territorial so that makes it easier to find one after any sort of attack. Often they will move them on even after a few stock loses


Average lifespan of a wild Salty in Oz is about 70 yrs. They are effective breeders but it's the survival rate of offspring that is the issue. They are about 30cm at birth and reach maturity at an average of 3m and 14ish years. The hatchlings get absolutely hammered by fish, birds, crocs, snakes, everything. I've had a 3kg Jack spew up a foot long salty.

Conversely Whites are born at 1.5m are 2-2.5m by the end of their second year and are then pretty much the local bully.

Big difference.

Edit* as to those pics
doggie
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6 Sep 2012 7:19pm
De4n said...

Might sound daft, but did anyone see that Foreign Correspondent, I think, the other day on drones? They're like cheap mini helicopters with cameras, GPS etc. Could be pre-programmed to scan up and down beaches that humans inhabit. Coupla blokes in front of tv monitors and a program that alerts their attention to shark-like images. Apparently they have got a 10 mile range - and that's the ones you can build yourself. Anyway got me thunkin! Anyone got iView can check it out if you missed it.


Great idea, the battery life is great out of those types of models now. There was some guys in Indo doing surf photography with a full blown rc chopper, shots were great.
singlefin
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6 Sep 2012 8:28pm
better sstill, maybe the could be set up with a grenade launcher
Tux
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7 Sep 2012 8:42am
I surfed in Capetown...one surf in particular at near teh Crayfish factory had to be one of the most firghtening of my life...hepas of bull kelp and just an unbelievable feeling of being stalked for for the whole two hours....we went back the next day to check and sure enough there is a big dorsal carving through where the lineup should of been....
LateStarter
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7 Sep 2012 7:59am
There has to be a simpler method of preventing GWS encounters.

We all know sharks have an amazing sense of smell, and have heard the 'single drop of blood from miles away' anecdotes.

We also know that despite being at the very top of the food chain there are creatures that old Whitey stays clear of, some being poisonous, some spiny and some bony.

Would it be too far fetched to believe such creatures give off a 'stay away' scent or pheremone that the GWS or predators in general recognise and keep their distance?

Imagine if we could extract and replicate such a pheremone, and develop a product that you could wash/steep your wetty or boardies in, and surf soundly knowing that the toothy locals no longer find your backside to be a tender meal.

Such a product could be deployed regularly off popular beaches - kind of as a 'reverse chum'.
nate86
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7 Sep 2012 8:42am
if only we could just put some road signs out like...stop or no entry.

but I agree with something you could easily put on or wash in it. With all the discoveries we supposedly make there must be something.

I know it's their territory and all but they say they don't like the taste of us as too bony so win win for both of us haha
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7 Sep 2012 8:44am
LateStarter said...

There has to be a simpler method of preventing GWS encounters.

We all know sharks have an amazing sense of smell, and have heard the 'single drop of blood from miles away' anecdotes.

We also know that despite being at the very top of the food chain there are creatures that old Whitey stays clear of, some being poisonous, some spiny and some bony.

Would it be too far fetched to believe such creatures give off a 'stay away' scent or pheremone that the GWS or predators in general recognise and keep their distance?

Imagine if we could extract and replicate such a pheremone, and develop a product that you could wash/steep your wetty or boardies in, and surf soundly knowing that the toothy locals no longer find your backside to be a tender meal.

Such a product could be deployed regularly off popular beaches - kind of as a 'reverse chum'.



The only problem I can see with that is that it might attract a different type of shark, and you would need a heap of it to work.
subasurf
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7 Sep 2012 9:42am
I've got a book around somewhere on that very subject, buts it's quite old. I'll see if u can dig up some info.
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7 Sep 2012 10:07am
Two surfers in the lineup:

"Man what's that stench? Smells like a rabid redneck that's been showering in West End Bitter?? eewwwwww!"

"Yeah it's my new cologne Bee Eau d'Hislop"

If we can harness Vic's stench we'd all be saved!!
jbshack
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7 Sep 2012 11:32am
subasurf said...

I've got a book around somewhere on that very subject, buts it's quite old. I'll see if u can dig up some info.


Suba did you ever read the book that tested all the theories on different variables. Like animals in water, urine in water, day time night time, colours, it tested for all sorts of variables. I think it was directly connected to the Shark Attack files. Written in the early 90's or even late 80's

The only link they concluded was if a shark actually did attack the shark would normally only ever re attack the original victim.

Oh and sorry to be a spoiler. I spoke with my mate this morning and he swears blue that all the photos are of a small pod of whales. He sad right whales
He took them himself and had them on his FB page. I still say if i saw that fin looking shot I'd ****
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