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PTWoody
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6 Apr 2011 11:38am
Legion said...

Swanie said...

The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

These are the two absolute ugliest things about SUPG in my opinion.


To be perfectly honest, I see someone like Tom Carroll surfing on a SUP and I admire the grace and flow. I see aggressive short boarders thrashing around in the surf and I think 'meh'. Just doesn't appeal to me but whatever.
Legion
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6 Apr 2011 10:07am
goatman said...

You are full of sh!t cause you can't compare 'equipment' unless you saw a guy do a turn in the identical spot on the same type of wave on different equipment (who was at the same standard).

Best comparison I can make is dogman's videos. I'm not sure how he compares with Australia's best on a SUPG but he seems to do alright. There's some old video floating around of him on a shortboard. He does much better on the shortboard, similar waves, same guy. Unless his health has deteriorated significantly since the shortboard video was filmed, it's the best comparison I can make.

And I can watch Tom Carroll against his contemporaries and that SUPG stuff he did at Snapper made me cringe. Layback bottom turns? Yikes.
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 10:10am
PTWoody said...

Legion said...

Swanie said...

The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

These are the two absolute ugliest things about SUPG in my opinion.


To be perfectly honest, I see someone like Tom Carroll surfing on a SUP and I admire the grace and flow. I see aggressive short boarders thrashing around in the surf and I think 'meh'. Just doesn't appeal to me but whatever.


Flopping along on a SUP isnt my cup of tea either.

goatman
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6 Apr 2011 12:11pm
Back to 'good Gollum' now are we Legion?
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 10:13am
goatman said...

Back to 'good Gollum' now are we Legion?


Not having a good day?
goatman
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6 Apr 2011 12:16pm
Nah, bit bored at work and having a bit of banter I guess. That said I do get incredibly sick of Legion's constant negative input. Yes people are entitled to an opinion but his motivation for it is usually suspect IMO.
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 10:21am
goatman said...

Nah, bit bored at work and having a bit of banter I guess. That said I do get incredibly sick of Legion's constant negative input. Yes people are entitled to an opinion but his motivation for it is usually suspect IMO.


Why read his posts if you dont like them??
Legion
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6 Apr 2011 10:24am
goatman said...

... Legion's ... motivation ... is usually suspect IMO.

What's suspect? I thought my motivation was 100% transparent? I'm the Angry Shortboarder™

aus301
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6 Apr 2011 1:06pm
Legion said...

I want to discourage people from being in the water, not encourage them. The more people, the less to go around. I'd be quite happy to surf the rest of my days alone or with 2-3 others.


And you keep thinking your attitude will help this become reality, if it makes you feel better.

micksmith
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6 Apr 2011 5:03pm
Legion said...

micksmith said...

Hey those glaring-staring eyes that some people get concerned about could be eyes of admiration or maybe just your imagination.

Yeah, keep telling yourselves it's admiration if it makes you feel better.

All the people who are able to get in the water and otherwise couldn't (due to pain etc), that's great for you, and I'd be stoked for you if you were my mate, but collectively it sucks. I want to discourage people from being in the water, not encourage them. The more people, the less to go around. I'd be quite happy to surf the rest of my days alone or with 2-3 others.


solution= move to PNG or some other remote location
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 3:43pm
aus301 said...

Legion said...

I want to discourage people from being in the water, not encourage them. The more people, the less to go around. I'd be quite happy to surf the rest of my days alone or with 2-3 others.


And you keep thinking your attitude will help this become reality, if it makes you feel better.




I like those days at my local when the surf report says its going to be 1.5m as most people that surf there know that it only starts working at that. You can bet that there will be bugger all people there and evry 10mins a smoker will come through. I will always do this as I like to surf by myself or with 2-3 other people.
What is wrong with that?
Swanie
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6 Apr 2011 5:55pm
doggie said...
I will always do this as I like to surf by myself or with 2-3 other people.
What is wrong with that?


Sounds like someone is short of friends.
This may help:
1300 22 4636
Legion
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6 Apr 2011 4:05pm
Who needs friends when you're surfing? That's for before/after. Do you guys honestly rock up to the carpark hoping there are going to be 50+ guys out? Do you really need someone to watch you SUPG to validate your day? Do you really feel better about yourself if others are watching? How egotistical ...
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 4:11pm
Legion said...

Who needs friends when you're surfing? That's for before/after. Do you guys honestly rock up to the carpark hoping there are going to be 50+ guys out? Do you really need someone to watch you SUPG to validate your day? Do you really feel better about yourself if others are watching? How egotistical ...


I would have said, na I wont say it but it is a bit ...........................
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 4:12pm
Swanie said...

doggie said...
I will always do this as I like to surf by myself or with 2-3 other people.
What is wrong with that?


Sounds like someone is short of friends.
This may help:
1300 22 4636



Got heaps of friends dont need to take them to the surf.
Legion
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6 Apr 2011 4:27pm
On a related note, the rise of the mobile phone sees losers in the carpark all the time ringing up their buddies for the instant surf report, "yeah, yeah, it's goin' orf, come straight down mate". If their mates are that lazy and unmotivated in the age of daily internet surf reports and mail-out surf reports and weather analyses, they deserve to stay home. And anyone who invites their mates down like that deserves to be dropped in on mercilessly all session long.

I much prefer to surf alone, and gloat about it later.
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 4:32pm
Legion said...

On a related note, the rise of the mobile phone sees losers in the carpark all the time ringing up their buddies for the instant surf report, "yeah, yeah, it's goin' orf, come straight down mate". If their mates are that lazy and unmotivated in the age of daily internet surf reports and mail-out surf reports and weather analyses, they deserve to stay home. And anyone who invites their mates down like that deserves to be dropped in on mercilessly all session long.

I much prefer to surf alone, and gloat about it later.


+1
Swanie
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6 Apr 2011 7:00pm
doggie said...

Legion said...

On a related note, the rise of the mobile phone sees losers in the carpark all the time ringing up their buddies for the instant surf report, "yeah, yeah, it's goin' orf, come straight down mate". If their mates are that lazy and unmotivated in the age of daily internet surf reports and mail-out surf reports and weather analyses, they deserve to stay home. And anyone who invites their mates down like that deserves to be dropped in on mercilessly all session long.

I much prefer to surf alone, and gloat about it later.


+1


On a SUP forum
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 5:02pm
Swanie said...

doggie said...

Legion said...

On a related note, the rise of the mobile phone sees losers in the carpark all the time ringing up their buddies for the instant surf report, "yeah, yeah, it's goin' orf, come straight down mate". If their mates are that lazy and unmotivated in the age of daily internet surf reports and mail-out surf reports and weather analyses, they deserve to stay home. And anyone who invites their mates down like that deserves to be dropped in on mercilessly all session long.

I much prefer to surf alone, and gloat about it later.


+1


On a SUP forum



Move along nothing to see here
russh
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6 Apr 2011 7:22pm
surfanimals said...

Well, I've already been castigated for my thoughts on this but for the record, I don't believe SUPs have a place in the surf zone.

They are big, cumbersome, do not flow like a surfboard, look jerky, do not give that alive / twitch / speed feel of a surfboard and to top it off, you cop dagger eyes from just about everyone else in the water.

SUPs rock on uncrowded rolling swell/waves (Port Hacking, Crowdy Head, Currumbin etc), flatwater and in the open ocean but if you want to surf.....get a surfboard and surf.

It's my opinion and not anyone else's so I won't bite back cause I have surf supped and definitely found the whole experience a load of crap compared to tucking a board under your arm, duck diving the first set to get the salt water fix to your face and taking off, drawing off the bottom and racing down the line.


This coming from a longboarder = those things belong in the fat shorebreaks / non shortboard waves with all the other old fat dudes that are having a comeback to surfing.

That sounds familiar hang on looks like SUPn is the longboarding of the 2000's.

Those old fat bastards used to piss me off catching every wave and not giving a **** about us shortboarders and now there whinging.

Ride both (refuse to ride longboards - theyre for old bastards) and enjoy both and I dont give a rats arse how I look when I'm ridn either cause I'm havin fun and if ya drop in I'll tell give you a hoy and if you continue Ill tell ya to fark off no matter what Im ridng
russh
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6 Apr 2011 7:48pm
Sorry just takin the piss cause seriously some of these subjects just get so full of$hit and some of the attitudes are so lame I don't know why I read them
PTWoody
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6 Apr 2011 8:29pm
Swanie said...

doggie said...

Legion said...

On a related note, the rise of the mobile phone sees losers in the carpark all the time ringing up their buddies for the instant surf report, "yeah, yeah, it's goin' orf, come straight down mate". If their mates are that lazy and unmotivated in the age of daily internet surf reports and mail-out surf reports and weather analyses, they deserve to stay home. And anyone who invites their mates down like that deserves to be dropped in on mercilessly all session long.

I much prefer to surf alone, and gloat about it later.


+1


On a SUP forum




LMFAO. Legion has been pwned right there.
Scotty Mac
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6 Apr 2011 8:40pm
Ha ha,

Legions go no friends, legions got no friends, legions go no friends......
Legion
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6 Apr 2011 7:39pm
Watchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? All of you here are my very best friends
doggie
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6 Apr 2011 8:03pm
russh said...

Sorry just takin the piss cause seriously some of these subjects just get so full of$hit and some of the attitudes are so lame I don't know why I read them


I don't know either?
theDoctor
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6 Apr 2011 10:11pm


upon reading this thread, anyone else here get the feeling that doggie is really in love with legion...?
Scotty Mac
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6 Apr 2011 9:58pm


Yer just laughing and imagining seeing all the keyboard around the country getting a stiff tappin.......

Lifes too short......

Cant wait for my next surf but.......

Might need to do some pole dancing this weekend, its going to be windy here and thats

sweet.
ockanui
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6 Apr 2011 10:35pm
may I join in please?, reading this thread is like hearing the kiddies bickering in the back seat of the car driving to the holiday destination, I guess the positive thing is that they may grow up and may have something rational to say later in life , I have to laugh at the threads about hanging it on those "fat old bastards",
sorry I forgot bald, fat bastards, well they must be written by young dudes with "tude" that seemingly forget the facts of life about the aging process that happens to us all, hahahah, what a beauty the thought of all those young dudes growing up to be fat balding bastards, the point being you should be better people for going surfing but I am concerned its just not working for you, you are just missing the whole goddammed point of it all. pity
couscous
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6 Apr 2011 11:33pm
wow fiercely debated subject, My 2 cents worth!
Shortboarding when there are barrels about and the waves looking more fun for a shorty.
SUP the rest of the time, on a SUP that is made for high performance surfing, if thats what you want to do, or longboard style if you are into that.
I can honestly say that in about 75% of conditions that i encounter, i have a lot more fun on a SUP, i think its because of the concentation required to have a sucessfull surf on a SUP is higher and more constant than that required for a comparable shortboard session and therefore more rewarding when you pull it off, Unless its stand up barrels!!! after 20 years of being a freakishly dedicated shortboarder, and surfing the superbank every day during its prime, i was starting to get bored by waves that were not barreling, and under 3 foot, SUP has filled that spot for me, everytime i do something on a sup that ive never done, it feels like im 10 years old again and just did my first frontside 360.
There are also arcs you can do on a sup that are not possible on a shortboard, but you need to be able to pump the board properly to do em, and go rail to rail very quickly and thats impossible on anything other than a high performance sup board, I have always said my favourite thing about SUPing is the lines that you can draw on a wave are unique, and if done well, all about flow, and for me flow and style and the ability to read a wave is what makes great surfing. A quick Christian fletcher/Tom Curren comparison illustrates my point.
In a few years time Performance surf supping will either be a very rarely seen thing, thanks to those WAN&^%# who go out on a sup and disrespect everyone or it will be a mainsteram accepted form of surfing expression much like high performance longboarding, but with better turns, haha! thanks to those grommets in far flung corners of the world who either arent bothered by what others think, or just dont know, stepping on a SUP and realizing that you can actually rip the shi% out of a wave, and have more consistently fun sessions on one than you can on your shorty, either way, you can be sure that as long as im here i will be sneaking in my sup sessions, when the waves are right for it, and i will be absolutely lovin it!!! And when its on for my shorty i will be out there pulling in and doing the odd air and or reverse on my shorty, and also loving that.
and that my friends is what comes out of my fingertips after downing three stubbies of coopers red.
goatman
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7 Apr 2011 11:35am
couscous said...

wow fiercely debated subject, My 2 cents worth!
Shortboarding when there are barrels about and the waves looking more fun for a shorty.
SUP the rest of the time, on a SUP that is made for high performance surfing, if thats what you want to do, or longboard style if you are into that.
I can honestly say that in about 75% of conditions that i encounter, i have a lot more fun on a SUP, i think its because of the concentation required to have a sucessfull surf on a SUP is higher and more constant than that required for a comparable shortboard session and therefore more rewarding when you pull it off, Unless its stand up barrels!!! after 20 years of being a freakishly dedicated shortboarder, and surfing the superbank every day during its prime, i was starting to get bored by waves that were not barreling, and under 3 foot, SUP has filled that spot for me, everytime i do something on a sup that ive never done, it feels like im 10 years old again and just did my first frontside 360.
There are also arcs you can do on a sup that are not possible on a shortboard, but you need to be able to pump the board properly to do em, and go rail to rail very quickly and thats impossible on anything other than a high performance sup board, I have always said my favourite thing about SUPing is the lines that you can draw on a wave are unique, and if done well, all about flow, and for me flow and style and the ability to read a wave is what makes great surfing. A quick Christian fletcher/Tom Curren comparison illustrates my point.
In a few years time Performance surf supping will either be a very rarely seen thing, thanks to those WAN&^%# who go out on a sup and disrespect everyone or it will be a mainsteram accepted form of surfing expression much like high performance longboarding, but with better turns, haha! thanks to those grommets in far flung corners of the world who either arent bothered by what others think, or just dont know, stepping on a SUP and realizing that you can actually rip the shi% out of a wave, and have more consistently fun sessions on one than you can on your shorty, either way, you can be sure that as long as im here i will be sneaking in my sup sessions, when the waves are right for it, and i will be absolutely lovin it!!! And when its on for my shorty i will be out there pulling in and doing the odd air and or reverse on my shorty, and also loving that.
and that my friends is what comes out of my fingertips after downing three stubbies of coopers red.


Couldn't have said it better.
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