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Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
5 Apr 2011 6:13pm
between prone surfing and stand up surfing?

No dw or flatwater answers,I know the value.

No I dont want to hear about,you can paddle in
earlier or down the shoulder stuff or hey good on
small days.

Whats the difference once on a wave?
LAZZA1964
LAZZA1964
VIC
107 posts
VIC, 107 posts
5 Apr 2011 8:18pm
The obvious, a paddle!!!
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
5 Apr 2011 8:02pm
And another 60 litres of foam........

And 2 foot of length............

and 10 inches in width............
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
5 Apr 2011 8:33pm
i'll pass on this one, already had two weeks worth of dribble in one day. i'm interested to see what some replies have to say
Swanie
Swanie
QLD
1372 posts
QLD, 1372 posts
5 Apr 2011 8:35pm
The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

Plus....
you can paddle in earlier or down the shoulder stuff or hey good on small days.

Newmo
Newmo
VIC
471 posts
VIC, 471 posts
5 Apr 2011 8:58pm
No Difference for me
I use my paddle and my bigger board, it's only 10.5 to get on the wave. Once I am surfing well thats what I do. Very rearly use the paddle for turns and maybe a dip now and then to get over a flat section or when I stuff a top turn but surfing is what I do. I am very long board style, from riding a mal but really I could chuck the paddle once I take off.
I had another great surf today.
Cheers
CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:02pm
Swanie said...

The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

Plus....
you can paddle in earlier or down the shoulder stuff or hey good on small days.




Pretty much sums up exactly what I would think. The paddle is the key, you take a way too big board and then use the paddle as a lever to make it turn. The smaller and lighter the board combined with the lever the closer to drawing performance lines you can achieve.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
QLD, 2031 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:07pm
for me its the difference between surfing and not. Due to my back I cant lay on my stomach for very long and can barely paddle out once. So SUP got me into something I always wanted to do, never did, then though I had missed the chance.

SUP surfing is getting better but its still a way of Lb and further off Sb for out and out surfing the wave
jasdeking
jasdeking
QLD
1820 posts
QLD, 1820 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:19pm
Makaha said...

between prone surfing and stand up surfing?

No dw or flatwater answers,I know the value.

No I dont want to hear about,you can paddle in
earlier or down the shoulder stuff or hey good on
small days.

Whats the difference once on a wave?


nice post bro good call i'm gooone
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
5 Apr 2011 7:29pm
husq2100 said...

for me its the difference between surfing and not. Due to my back I cant lay on my stomach for very long and can barely paddle out once. So SUP got me into something I always wanted to do, never did, then though I had missed the chance.



Winner happy for ya husq
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:29pm
Well, I've already been castigated for my thoughts on this but for the record, I don't believe SUPs have a place in the surf zone.

They are big, cumbersome, do not flow like a surfboard, look jerky, do not give that alive / twitch / speed feel of a surfboard and to top it off, you cop dagger eyes from just about everyone else in the water.

SUPs rock on uncrowded rolling swell/waves (Port Hacking, Crowdy Head, Currumbin etc), flatwater and in the open ocean but if you want to surf.....get a surfboard and surf.

It's my opinion and not anyone else's so I won't bite back cause I have surf supped and definitely found the whole experience a load of crap compared to tucking a board under your arm, duck diving the first set to get the salt water fix to your face and taking off, drawing off the bottom and racing down the line.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:54pm

maybe you on a sup in the surf zone.

Chopz
Chopz
WA
147 posts
WA, 147 posts
5 Apr 2011 7:59pm
surfanimals said...

Well, I've already been castigated for my thoughts on this but for the record, I don't believe SUPs have a place in the surf zone.

They are big, cumbersome, do not flow like a surfboard, look jerky, do not give that alive / twitch / speed feel of a surfboard and to top it off, you cop dagger eyes from just about everyone else in the water.

SUPs rock on uncrowded rolling swell/waves (Port Hacking, Crowdy Head, Currumbin etc), flatwater and in the open ocean but if you want to surf.....get a surfboard and surf.

It's my opinion and not anyone else's so I won't bite back cause I have surf supped and definitely found the whole experience a load of crap compared to tucking a board under your arm, duck diving the first set to get the salt water fix to your face and taking off, drawing off the bottom and racing down the line.


maybe you should change the pic of ya avatar then

Swanie
Swanie
QLD
1372 posts
QLD, 1372 posts
5 Apr 2011 10:18pm
maybe you should change the pic of ya avatar then




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Bender
Bender
WA
2236 posts
WA, 2236 posts
5 Apr 2011 9:12pm
Well after growing up in the SW of WA and riding short boards for 30yrs i have to now ride a sup due to back surgery i had at the age of 19 as my back is now fu#ked (due to old school medical procedures). I ride a short style quad sup as the prone paddling position leaves me in major pain after about 20mins.

i still really mis the way you can turn and carve a short board and the way they fly out of the lip.

So yes there is a huge differnce in riding style. i still surf the same breaks but i avoid crowds and have found waves i have loads of fun in that i never really considerd before.

It's no use comparing the two as it like comparing apples and pineapples.

The other element i like is the challenge of learning all over again, it has refershed the passion for riding waves for me. It dosen't really matter as long as your having fun.
halfcut
halfcut
NSW
33 posts
NSW, 33 posts
5 Apr 2011 11:31pm
for me also
I've tried a few times over the years,
thinking I 'm fitter now or on better drugs
I loved surfing till my mid twenties, but back pain screwed me, now 20 years
later i'm surfing sup's, just when my teenage boy's are into
hittin the waves
no stoppin me! now[}:)]
booked a bali trip TODAY
halfcut
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
5 Apr 2011 10:28pm
Swanie said...

The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

These are the two absolute ugliest things about SUPG in my opinion.
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
WA, 293 posts
5 Apr 2011 10:51pm
Legion said...

Swanie said...

The skill of using the paddle for greater acceleration (either along the wave or through the trick), As a pivot in a turn and a brace through the manoeuvre when required or if the manoeuvre requires you to go past a natural balance point that could not be effected without a brace.

These are the two absolute ugliest things about SUPG in my opinion.


Who gives a **** about your opinion?
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
5 Apr 2011 11:38pm
Obviously not you. Carry on then, continue to use your paddle as a crutch. Just gives me more to laugh about.
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
6 Apr 2011 5:26am
How so Chopz ?

I'm on a 17' on flat water......where SUPs belong and where they are a blast.

CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
6 Apr 2011 6:14am
Legion said...

Obviously not you. Carry on then, continue to use your paddle as a crutch. Just gives me more to laugh about.


Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one. The difference is that you can't even really tell a good surfer is using the paddle and the other thing is that is basically only an extension of what you do with your arm on a shortboard anyway.

I ride both SB and SUP regularly and to be honest I don't find them that different to ride except each is better suited to different conditions.
micksmith
micksmith
VIC
1701 posts
VIC, 1701 posts
6 Apr 2011 7:34am
Its awesome to hear guys getting back into surfing after years of back/neck pain. I also have suffered this and now I have that stoke again.
I wonder when it will be that you guys who compare sup with sb surfing come to the realisation that they are independant of each other. stop comparing you'll enjoy it more.
Hey those glaring-staring eyes that some people get concerned about could be eyes of admiration or maybe just your imagination.
No one discipline ownes the surf, period
Swanie
Swanie
QLD
1372 posts
QLD, 1372 posts
6 Apr 2011 8:44am
micksmith said...

Its awesome to hear guys getting back into surfing after years of back/neck pain. I also have suffered this and now I have that stoke again.
I wonder when it will be that you guys who compare sup with sb surfing come to the realisation that they are independant of each other. stop comparing you'll enjoy it more.
Hey those glaring-staring eyes that some people get concerned about could be eyes of admiration or maybe just your imagination.
No one discipline ownes the surf, period



Spot on

I wonder if the knockers also log onto gardening or football forums and whinge about that hoby / sport. I don't get why they bother when the sport is different. I don't see the reverse happening and why they are here to ditch on people for choosing this sport regardless of their reason is beyond me.

Don't respond with the regular guff about SURF Danger as the same could be said about any craft under a level of experience. Yet I don't see the SUP'ers whinging about the newbies or kooks on SB or Mals. Maybe the average SUP'er is more muture???
It acheives nothing in atacking the majority of readers of the forum but only acheives in highlighting their own nature.

goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
6 Apr 2011 8:50am
Ridden shorties for 38 years, SUP for 2 so still working it out. Depends entirely on your equipment and amount of time you can put into it. I'm lucky to have lightweight, low volume equipment and get out 4-5 times a week and live a couple of minutes from sick reef breaks

In surf that is less than ideal (not breaking top to bottom for the length of the ride) I reckon they almost out perform the 'typical' short board in many aspects - and I am talking about between riders of EQUAL ability. To the people here saying they don't carve or are insensitive - it is your equipment letting you down - too much volume, area and flat rockers. Also many SB riders use equipment not suited to them or the waves IMO - should be on fatter, floatier boards.

I love the way they drive through turns were a SB will bog or struggle to get speed. The way you can take off mega deep due to the paddle speed you have going into a wave is insane. They are the sh!t for big waves in my opinion - as long as you can get out - cause a big wave face suits the bigger curves of a SUP and you can get into em that much easier.

I miss the ability to go vertical on a smaller wave or to be able to do very tight snaps in the pocket (particularly on backhand). Or to be able to pigdog backside barrels although will put a handle on my next one to help with that.

Once the wave are consistently sucky a SB has it all over a SUP but that is relatively rare here as there will always be big fat sections in the mix.

To the guys talking about bad vibes - pick your time and place better, don't paddle out past the 'pack' and be respectful and it it rare you get anything other than lots of interested questions I find anyways. I also sit when waiting for waves.

Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
6 Apr 2011 7:59am
micksmith said...

Hey those glaring-staring eyes that some people get concerned about could be eyes of admiration or maybe just your imagination.

Yeah, keep telling yourselves it's admiration if it makes you feel better.

All the people who are able to get in the water and otherwise couldn't (due to pain etc), that's great for you, and I'd be stoked for you if you were my mate, but collectively it sucks. I want to discourage people from being in the water, not encourage them. The more people, the less to go around. I'd be quite happy to surf the rest of my days alone or with 2-3 others.
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
6 Apr 2011 8:01am
CMC said...

Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one.

Nope. But time and time again all the evidence I see, even from those who are supposedly right up there in skill level, is paddle-pivot surfing. There are few who can do proper rail turns and when they do the equipment obviously holds them back.

goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
6 Apr 2011 10:31am
Legion said...

CMC said...

Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one.

Nope. But time and time again all the evidence I see, even from those who are supposedly right up there in skill level, is paddle-pivot surfing. There are few who can do proper rail turns and when they do the equipment obviously holds them back.




You are full of sh!t cause you can't compare 'equipment' unless you saw a guy do a turn in the identical spot on the same type of wave on different equipment (who was at the same standard).

You no doubt watch countless surfing vids showing freaks ripping then compare it to regular older dudes showing off their home videos on here.

You also like to come on here and niggle everyone which is just plain weird in my book. As Hilly has said before a 'bitter and twister short boarder'. Whatever floats your boat but I reckon Laurie ought to ban you as there is a difference between having a legitimate opinion and trying to be a D#ck Head at every opportunity on a forum for a sport you have no interest in, except obvious disdain.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
6 Apr 2011 10:35am
goatman said...

Ridden shorties for 38 years, SUP for 2 so still working it out. Depends entirely on your equipment and amount of time you can put into it. I'm lucky to have lightweight, low volume equipment and get out 4-5 times a week and live a couple of minutes from sick reef breaks

In surf that is less than ideal (not breaking top to bottom for the length of the ride) I reckon they almost out perform the 'typical' short board in many aspects - and I am talking about between riders of EQUAL ability. To the people here saying they don't carve or are insensitive - it is your equipment letting you down - too much volume, area and flat rockers. Also many SB riders use equipment not suited to them or the waves IMO - should be on fatter, floatier boards.

I love the way they drive through turns were a SB will bog or struggle to get speed. The way you can take off mega deep due to the paddle speed you have going into a wave is insane. They are the sh!t for big waves in my opinion - as long as you can get out - cause a big wave face suits the bigger curves of a SUP and you can get into em that much easier.

I miss the ability to go vertical on a smaller wave or to be able to do very tight snaps in the pocket (particularly on backhand). Or to be able to pigdog backside barrels although will put a handle on my next one to help with that.

Once the wave are consistently sucky a SB has it all over a SUP but that is relatively rare here as there will always be big fat sections in the mix.

To the guys talking about bad vibes - pick your time and place better, don't paddle out past the 'pack' and be respectful and it it rare you get anything other than lots of interested questions I find anyways. I also sit when waiting for waves.




Pretty much spot on.
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
6 Apr 2011 10:53am
goatman said...

Legion said...

CMC said...

Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one.

Nope. But time and time again all the evidence I see, even from those who are supposedly right up there in skill level, is paddle-pivot surfing. There are few who can do proper rail turns and when they do the equipment obviously holds them back.




You are full of sh!t cause you can't compare 'equipment' unless you saw a guy do a turn in the identical spot on the same type of wave on different equipment (who was at the same standard).

You no doubt watch countless surfing vids showing freaks ripping then compare it to regular older dudes showing off their home videos on here.

You also like to come on here and niggle everyone which is just plain weird in my book. As Hilly has said before a 'bitter and twister short boarder'. Whatever floats your boat but I reckon Laurie ought to ban you as there is a difference between having a legitimate opinion and trying to be a D#ck Head at every opportunity on a forum for a sport you have no interest in, except obvious disdain.



Go get them Goatman.

For the record, my opinion was based on what I found trying Surf SUP. Maybe I'm a kook (actually I know I am) but I just found the work put in was not matched with results or stoke in the surf but I absolutely love my flatwater / river SUP which is why I spend time putting pic's and vid's of them together.

Each to their own and the guys who love surf SUP all power to them and my comments where not meant to offend - it's personal choice. I'm still loving driving a shorty or longboard down the line in the waves that's all.

Took this vid last week at one of my locals.....on a SUP with that wind, and on that reef I woulda struggled big time - on a 9 footer it was pure fun !

And for the record my avatar is on my much loved 17' - if that's OK Swanie and Chopz....angry men.

rodriguez
rodriguez
VIC
883 posts
VIC, 883 posts
6 Apr 2011 11:34am
Goatie, you know this kind of guy,legend in his lunchbox,will be saying when he gets older yeah well back in my day.This is the kind of guy who never played a bad game of footy ,never surfed bad even when he first started,blah blah blah.Semi pro he wishes,fullon toolman.
goatman said...

Legion said...

CMC said...

Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one.

Nope. But time and time again all the evidence I see, even from those who are supposedly right up there in skill level, is paddle-pivot surfing. There are few who can do proper rail turns and when they do the equipment obviously holds them back.




You are full of sh!t cause you can't compare 'equipment' unless you saw a guy do a turn in the identical spot on the same type of wave on different equipment (who was at the same standard).

You no doubt watch countless surfing vids showing freaks ripping then compare it to regular older dudes showing off their home videos on here.

You also like to come on here and niggle everyone which is just plain weird in my book. As Hilly has said before a 'bitter and twister short boarder'. Whatever floats your boat but I reckon Laurie ought to ban you as there is a difference between having a legitimate opinion and trying to be a D#ck Head at every opportunity on a forum for a sport you have no interest in, except obvious disdain.


doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
6 Apr 2011 9:35am
goatman said...

Legion said...

CMC said...

Legion, I get the feeling you have never watched anyone that can surf ride one.

Nope. But time and time again all the evidence I see, even from those who are supposedly right up there in skill level, is paddle-pivot surfing. There are few who can do proper rail turns and when they do the equipment obviously holds them back.




You are full of sh!t cause you can't compare 'equipment' unless you saw a guy do a turn in the identical spot on the same type of wave on different equipment (who was at the same standard).

You no doubt watch countless surfing vids showing freaks ripping then compare it to regular older dudes showing off their home videos on here.

You also like to come on here and niggle everyone which is just plain weird in my book. As Hilly has said before a 'bitter and twister short boarder'. Whatever floats your boat but I reckon Laurie ought to ban you as there is a difference between having a legitimate opinion and trying to be a D#ck Head at every opportunity on a forum for a sport you have no interest in, except obvious disdain.


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