Sailboat suitable to wheel to beach, possible?

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ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
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3 Oct 2012 11:50am
Is there such a thing as a rigid sea sailboat (for leisure calm day sailing) that is possible for an adult male to wheel a few streets along the footpath to the beach. Or is this simply an impossibility?

I know there are a few basic boats eg walker bay, super snark, but I understand these are only designed for lakes and bays.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
3 Oct 2012 12:53pm
I'd say a Laser with a beach trolley would do the job.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
3 Oct 2012 4:21pm
Thanks for your reply, I would have the cross one set of lights on a main road, would this be an issue?
WA125er
WA125er
98 posts
98 posts
3 Oct 2012 3:26pm
A Sabre on a beach trolley no problems. Sabres only weigh 42kg ish.....easy to sail and very very popular now days in most States.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
3 Oct 2012 5:14pm
Thanks, looking for something slightly cheaper about $1500 or less. I suppose this limits options a lot. Also the Sabre says max weight 80kg, am slightly more atm :)
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
3 Oct 2012 9:30pm
ultrleisure said...
Thanks for your reply, I would have the cross one set of lights on a main road, would this be an issue?


Go the sabre unless you are super fit , then go laser

Traffic lights .... Wait for the little green man , you,ll be right
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
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SA, 86 posts
3 Oct 2012 9:37pm
what is the carrying capacity of the laser?

Also is there any sort of catamaran that can be wheeled down and assembled in a reasonable amount of time? Or any other options?
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
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3 Oct 2012 10:28pm
ultrleisure said...

Also is there any sort of catamaran that can be wheeled down?


Wheeled down suggests to me that there is also going to be an "up", like as in maybe a hill or at least an incline. You have of course considered your own physical condition to lug this boat back home after a tiring day on the water?
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
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3 Oct 2012 11:07pm
It is completely flat except for the boat ramp that goes onto the beach which is sort of steepish I recall. I just use the expression 'down to the beach' not like down a hill :)

But there might be about 6-7 blocks including one main road.

Probably the lightest boat I have seen is the super snark / sea snark (which is thin) and the walker bay 8 but I can't really see any examples of people using them in the sea (only lakes, bays etc and I don't live near any) except for the name sea snark, so I would have to find out more. At the moment I am only thinking about leisurely summer sailing on the sort of days that I might go swimming but in the future maybe I'd want something more capable.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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4 Oct 2012 8:37am
The laser has the advantage the mast comes apart so its a more compact unit to be pulling along. However this is the only advantage to a Laser, they are heavy, uncomfortable to sail and not at all pleasant to sail. There are plenty about, they will carry two people. They were never actually built as a singlehander, prior to their selection as an Olympic class they used to have two people onboard for title events in countries of people of small stature. The class rules never stated how many people to be carried, the design was for a fun lake boat. Spiral and Tasman Tiger are similar to the Laser in concept. Real dinghies will have longer masts that may make it awkward to pull along the road. There will be a need to have a front support to keep the tip of the mast well clear of pedestrians.
Tough time to be buying. Even the rubbish boats on eBay[dinghies] are selling for lots of money. Only good buy at the moment and its a two man boat is the classic Fireball.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/190731871838?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
4 Oct 2012 12:33pm
Thanks for your reply, very informative, is it a bad time to buy because of the time of year or because everyone's thinking about sailing after the olympics?

Btw I live in Adelaide so I guess that's where any boat would have to be located.
WA125er
WA125er
98 posts
98 posts
4 Oct 2012 4:01pm
Plenty of cheap Sabre's in SA, class is strong there, as many have moved into newer boats....ask around the clubs there.
Doubt your going to find these Snarks or Walker Bay 8s around in Australia much, the Snark looks similar to a Sunfish....and by your description your getting into Sailing Canoe territory.
There were these things called Fold a boats or Porta Boats some years back that had a mast n sail combo, that may be the sort of potability your after.....wouldn't take one onto the Gulf in a Breeze though.
Ramona
Ramona
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4 Oct 2012 6:31pm
ultrleisure said...
Thanks for your reply, very informative, is it a bad time to buy because of the time of year or because everyone's thinking about sailing after the olympics?

Btw I live in Adelaide so I guess that's where any boat would have to be located.




Its just the time of the year. Weather warms up, mad rush to buy a sailing dinghy at the start of the sailing season, most clubs have had a couple of races by now.

Its also the time people flog off the rubbish that has been clogging up yards hence the weird unloved boats people are unloading on eBay at the moment.

There was an excellent Flying Eleven on eBay just finished in Adelaide, $500 on a box trailer, never got a bid! The trouble is some classes are State orientated so selling a NSW class boat in Adelaide is hard, be like trying to sell a Holdfast trainer in NSW. Flying 11's are superb little sailing dinghies designed to train skiff sailors, no side decks so if you heel they fill up. Keep an eye on eBay, it might come back.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
4 Oct 2012 6:02pm
Unfortunately $9000 for a Sabre sailboat is a bit above the budget. I might consider an outrigger kayak that could sail, there is a Hobie adventure island but its also a bit much at $3200.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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4 Oct 2012 6:43pm
ultrleisure said...
Unfortunately $9000 for a Sabre sailboat is a bit above the budget. I might consider an outrigger kayak that could sail, there is a Hobie adventure island but its also a bit much at $3200.


There are few Sabres in Adelaide. Probably a cheap one in Port Adelaide after I knocked his tiller/rudder assembly off with my Finn a few years ago! They are fairly lightly built.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
4 Oct 2012 6:17pm
When you say cheap, roughly what price is considered cheap?
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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4 Oct 2012 7:14pm
ultrleisure said...
When you say cheap, roughly what price is considered cheap?




Under $1000.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
4 Oct 2012 6:55pm
ohhh ok, I typed sabre sail boat into classifieds and got $8900. Actually now I see it is a new build high gloss timber version.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
4 Oct 2012 7:11pm
I saw the flying 11 on there unfortunately it would be too big and heavy to ever wheel to the beach by hand which is what I hope to be able to do.
Gravy7
Gravy7
NSW
242 posts
NSW, 242 posts
4 Oct 2012 9:18pm
There is no need to look further than Seabreeze - www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Sail-Boats/~aaima/Hobie-Holder-14--14-0.aspx That's a lot of boat for a $3k asking price and I'm sure you could wheel the trailer by hand especially if you removed the lights and mudguards to make it lighter.
Gravy7
Gravy7
NSW
242 posts
NSW, 242 posts
4 Oct 2012 9:25pm
A second hand Spiral would be good value too. Lots for sale on the association website at http://www.spiralsailing.org/Page7.html
They range from $1,000 to $4,750 but this looks like a good option: Spiral 280, Good dry boat, Yellow. Completely re-rigged including a TURBO vang. A reasonable sail. Brand new Alloy dolly. Ready to race. An excellent boat for starters. Selling due to health reasons. $1,500.
WA125er
WA125er
98 posts
98 posts
4 Oct 2012 10:17pm
Flying 11 would be small and light enough for what you need....pretty sure they come in under 50 kilos....not sure how they sail cat rigged though, and boom is fairly low if your an adult.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
5 Oct 2012 1:06am
The weight seems ok for the flying 11, I was just watching a video of someone lifting the 22kg super snark over his head (by no means a muscle builder) but the width would be the problem having to wheel it on the footpath it wouldn't fit. I thought about the possibility of building a trolley where it could be mounted sideways but then it would be heavier on one side and might catch the wind etc. Could be a big problem, although I'm not really sure.

The spirals look very nice and thin, Id prefer closer to 1 or 1.2k than 1.5 but could stretch. It would have to be in Adelaide though as I'm sure it would cost a fortune to have anything delivered from interstate.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7754 posts
NSW, 7754 posts
5 Oct 2012 8:42am
Spirals are very heavy and would require a trolley. Very popular locally and some older ones go cheaply [$400] They have the advantage of being able to use different sail makers. Scaled down Laser with most of the Lasers faults corrected, sort of. All age groups and an excellent association. They only hold their travelling events where camping is allowed.
Flying Eleven hull is light, I can carry one a short distance. Had two over the years to teach my kids to sail. I used to sail it with one kid as crew but they are easy to sail singlehanded with full rig.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
5 Oct 2012 12:07pm
Ohh there is another big problem now and this time it looks like it makes the whole idea impossible, at the lights there is a 'turn left at any time with care' lane before the lights with an island which probably nothing would fit.

Well there is still the slightly less exciting sport of box kite flying lol.
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
5 Oct 2012 11:24pm
hmmm, perhaps you might need to consider wind surfing then.
ultrleisure
ultrleisure
SA
86 posts
SA, 86 posts
6 Oct 2012 1:14am
Nice land sailing yacht, looks fun, anyway thanks everyone for all the good tips.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
20 Oct 2012 8:43pm
ultrleisure said...
Ohh there is another big problem now and this time it looks like it makes the whole idea impossible, at the lights there is a 'turn left at any time with care' lane before the lights with an island which probably nothing would fit.

Well there is still the slightly less exciting sport of box kite flying lol.


just get out and act like a car at the lights with your trolley, we did all the time with a moth and 2 flying ants, sometimes a mirror(now theres a great yacht ,should find one of those under $1000). even did it with a 470
port
port
VIC
446 posts
VIC, 446 posts
21 Oct 2012 8:05am
Not sure if there is any out here but I grew up when the Topper Dinghy came out,made of plastic and light as hell.
SugarQube
SugarQube
WA
490 posts
WA, 490 posts
21 Oct 2012 6:51pm
Sounds like your options are limited, in reality you should be looking at windsurf boards, there are some around where you can go out in very little wind, they are very light, a resonable second hand set up will cost you between $500 and $1000 and its sailing, your standing up though which is the only diffarance.

Its the only sailing gear I would want to drag around several blocks, up and down a boat ramp.

Besides kite surfing gear which you can carry down to your local beach and dare I say it...go sailing
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
23 Oct 2012 11:06pm
I agree your better off wind surfing or kitesurfing.although your windsurfer will end up under your house.so kitesurfing would be your answer.unless you want to go back in time when windsurfing was cool.like 1980.
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