Exactly! Emphasis on the 'sleek' and 'cool' yachts to get attention and then when you get them talking to you mention that it doesn't cost the world to get started.

agamackay said...

landyacht said...
the green and blue beauty had rear wheels that were secondhand in 1992

the front was a case of dont grind the weld to look better

Spoked wheels don`t take sideway strain applyed in a pitched landyacht for long.


Sorry the captions didn`t upload clearly...
"stingray hole-log-what-ever."
"Fork-chassis alignment does not allow shock/vibration transfer.
The chassis will break at the vibration point (red line) very quickly even without hitting anything as vibration (Steel Killer No.1) constantly works on this point. The join might have been square butt joint or mitre as in the STANDART that obviously inspired this yacht. Easily remideed

aga

I can assure you my children , when that weld breaks on a yacht that I welded, you have been hit by a truck and you are well stuffed." The vibration " would of course have been absorbed by the nylon bushes that have long been a feature of my front ends. designs such as this have quite low stresses on the extremities because I use heavier,tougher materials and less "stiffening "braces, achieving comfort,smoothness gracefullness,and simplicity of construction
the example of the bluegreen yacht that turned to algae had a "similar " front but was constructed of material 2/3 thinner than the material I would preach.
I am constantly impressed by the lighter materials that many builders have been able to build yachts from , But if you gave me one of those yachts to RACE I would destroy it [}:)]. FAZE 5 made that mistake many years ago I believe I have redeemed myself on that count
The very first PM weighed in fully rigged at 24kgs and was known to tear completely in half if you did too violent a 360. if I encouraged this level of construction in my designs and it failed I would be blamed. consequently i build and test them myselfor get my good faithful mate Test Pilot 1 to do it for me.
Some say hes just a big boofhead,and can devour cold cans of spaghetti by the truck load But I know that If I need something destroying with speed and reckless abandon TP1 is your man

Haha, very good point Lachlan

David Rose has the mould, he sold me that one for $220. I gotta say its really comfortable

[b]landyacht The very first PM weighed in fully rigged at 24kgs and was known to tear completely in half if you did too violent a 360.

That's very impressive considering a blokart comes in at 30kg.

Further, 24kg is just less than half the minimum class 5 specified weight of 50kg.

You reached the point of diminished return first time round and then had to "back" design.

How much Alfoil did you actually use on that first PM?

I'm not sure in the context of this thread anyone is complaining about the price of a blokart. If Aga wants to build a super cheap dumpster, then Lachlan is saying there's no point me comparing the price of my PM to the price of a blokart. I think he's saying for my point to be valid in this context I should be comparing the price of my PM to that of Aga's dumpster. A point, in hindsight, I agree with.

EDIT: (I'm adding this after Split's repsonse below) Further to your post Cisco, I personally don't have an issue with the price of a blokart and may well own one, one day, as they're not much more than the amount I've just spent on my latest bike. But, when I got into cycling I was able to buy a $500 cheapy so that I could make sure it wasn't just a fad as you described. Once I decided it wasn't I upgraded. I think its this entry level cheapy that the people who gave you greif are looking for and unless you build your own, doesn't exist. Lets face it, granted they're good value for money (as detailed above) but its a lot for a person to outlay before they have been given the chance to determine if this sport is a fad or something they wish to persue.

My initial point was, if you're building your own dumpster, I don't think it would cost much more to make it comply with a class, if any at all. That way if this great sport entices you, like it has us, then you can start competing before you upgrade to the blokarts, promos or swifts. All of which are good value for money once you've decided its not a fad. If it doesn't entice you you can still have great fun on the beach as Aga and his team do and you haven't really lost anything.

I should add I'm not suggesting there's anything Aga should do differently as I suspect all he has to do is trim his axles and use his smallest sail and he'll probably be classV compliant (although I haven't gone through his specs that closely so don't quote me on that )

As far as doing a "realistic comparison" for a one of (Quote-"The yacht the boys built is VERY basic, I doubt it would be a nationaly acceptable/saleable model)- how about pride of accomplishment.
ie.Blokart-$$$(payed for by working)
Homemade-$300-$500 testing your abilities, the sense of achievement, the ability to find solutions to problems you encounter, the testing and tuning, the pride in saying to the person who stopped to look "I built it"
I'm sure aga is very proud of Jesse's achievement and would perfer him to be pointing that can of paint at the landyacht and not at someone's fence or in a plastic bag.
Once again congads Jesse on a job well done.
PS. With your dad's OK I'll post a design of a H2O gattling gun for dog fights.

[b]iand said
- how about pride of accomplishment,payed for by working, testing your abilities, the sense of achievement, the ability to find solutions to problems you encounter, the testing and tuning, the pride in saying to the person who stopped to look "I built it"

If home building has these added benefits on top of the sailing fun, I am all for it. I will be doing the same myself.

landyacht said...

The vibration " would of course have been absorbed by the nylon bushes that have long been a feature of my front ends.

Thanks landyacht, the nylon bush absorbtion in your front ends makes a whole lot of sence!
I`m sure your designs & building are great, glad you didn`t take offence to my questions

aga

placing nylon washers and or rubber bushes,washers will make a difference in the comfort, and i believe performance of the yacht. any small vibration reduction between wheels and sail will allow the the sail to perform cleaner..
Interesting question being raised is the cost of an "entry level yacht. the Club 88 is built by the SANDGROPERS club . I believe the present cost is around $1600 Ie close to the PROMO I honestly think that is as cheap as you will get a yacht if you go the new sail,wheels,mast ,fibrglasss seat path.
A couple of years ago I thought that I was being pretty clever recycling sailboard gear for yachts and the price to build a yacht became readily do-able for a lot new sailors. I am so gratified to discover that there are so many other people doing exactly the same as me and getting the same pleasure.
peace on earth fellow sailors

I like it
Link to -plans-name-video of it in action-
Transport -trailer-requiered / folding / dissmantle (tools / no-tools)

If ordering a 1000 at a time, would it be possible/costable to blomould plastic the seat
OR leave a mould with a tame fiberglass workshop as a nothing-better-to-do-job / mixed-up too-much-poor it in here-job

aga

Not interested in copy rights.
Interested in THE SPORT

aga

The plans in question would NOT be YOUR`S.
The plans in question would belong to the conlomorant/amalgamation/whatever.
Complanits about workmanship might need to be directed to an overseer/ALAS?
May be each chassis fabricater be issued a number that is atamped on the cahassis

LLM plans in construction are hard to follow, there are aleast 2 different front ends in the photos. Tools include midi-evil axes? and UF"O"s?

Not interested in copyrights or egos. Interested in THE SPORT
aga

Just an observation to all,

I've sailed a blokart (brilliant, satisfying)
I've sailed a lake lefroy mini (brilliant, satisfying)

Now, after 35 years or so, of sailing, racing & having built somewhere around 150 landyachts; what is the best deal?

Well actually, I've always found its when people get together & have a great time sailing.

It doesn't matter whether the yachts are big, small or cheap or expensive. (I reckon I've built a landyacht to cover most categories!) What helps are good design aspects that work & easy to rig/sail.

It does help to have similar performing yachts whatever your doing, be it exploring or racing or just having fun.

Yes, you will get people who want to build their own & people who can afford to buy.....

For heavens sake! This is brilliant! The above 2 yachts are both great for their purpose and you end up in both cases with people who may not otherwise be in the sport. They are obviously not the only yachts around, but I have not seen for many years a better chance for new landsailers to get into it, with the advantages that small well designed yachts can offer.

Forget egos, just be aware that a landyacht may look simple, the dynamics are complex, and good designers who really know how to get it right have spent many $$$ & many years to get there. I know, I've tried.

Please understand & appreciate what Paul is giving to Landsailing with his LL mini.

Happy sailing

Ah, I see where you're coming from now. No, you're absolutely correct!

The good thing about selecting a common entry class design is there would be a lot of people building them (hopefully!!) so they could all share tips, knowledge and improvements amongst themselves and the designer via forums like this. I think this is something that was lacking in the past when those issues occurred.

DO IT!! You don't get raw materials like that everyday!!

Actually, Nah just leave it, but tell me where it is!